Computers appear to be executing a programmed shutdown

Gustavus

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I have two machines exhibiting the same mysterious failure. About the only thing in common between them is that they are both running Windows XP with SP2 installed. One is built around an ABIT IS7 motherboard and the other is built around an ABIT IC7 G motherboard.

My wife likes to record a streaming audio broadcast from a station in eastern US that comes on before we get up in the morning, so she set up the IC7 G system in the lab to record for her since it is connected to the router by an ethernet cable. Her computer uses a wireless link that is less reliable. Each evening she would schedule the next morning's recording in the Blaze software she uses and the machine would be left on when we went to bed. A few weeks ago, when she went to retrieve the recordings in the morning she found the machine had been turned off and accused me of turning it off when I was turning my machine off the previous night. I was sure I hadn't, but the evidence certainly suggested I had. The following evening we both checked that the machine was on before going to bed -- and sure enough it was off when we got up. It is a shutdown, not a power off since there is no box saying Windows was shut down improperly etc. The machine runs cool as a cucumber -- with a Thermaltake XP90 cooler on the CPU -- and has a new 480 watt Thermaltake power supply in it. I suspected the Blaze software since it is clock programmed -- not to turn off the machine but to record. I uninstalled and reinstalled the software, and the system still shut down during the night. The machine was on an APC Smart UPS 1000 -- which is not connected to the computer with the control cable so the UPS didn't seem to be a possibility since the only thing it could do was to cut off power which would have shown up as an improper shutdown etc. Even so I swapped in a new APC Back-UPS 1500. Same thing happened. The Event log shows no record of an unusual event. Still suspicious that the Blaze software was the problem, I completely uninstalled it and left the computer turned on. Each night somewhere between midnight and the early hours of the morning when I got up to check, the machine was shutting down on its own. I purchased a new OCZ 500 watt power supply -- always blame the power supply is the first rule of troubleshooting -- and installed it. Same mysterious behavior. My wife wasn't interested in my troubleshooting, she just wanted to get back to recording her streaming audio. I have several machines in the lab, so I set up the IS7 based machine with the Blaze software for her -- and lo and behold the same problem occurred. For several days I have been running tests with this second machine. It will run all day -- cool as a cucumber too, according to SpeedFan -- with no problem, but will be shut down when we get up in the morning. Again the Event log shows no unusual events. I have checked and rechecked -- neither machine is set to hibernate nor suspend. Both are set to Always on, although I did try setting one to Home/Office Desk in the Power Options of Control Panel with no change in the behavior. The AV software happens to be different on the two machines; the IS7 based machine is running ESET's NOD32, the IC7 G based machine is running ZoneAlarm Security Suite. We have had no power outages that could explain the behavior. I do not have a recording voltmeter to monitor the line voltages, but none of our numerous clocks show any power disruptions -- and as I said the machines are on very good UPS backup.

The bottom line -- if there is one -- is that both machines are behaving as though a programmed shutdown is occurring. I can find no settings anywhere in Windows XP that could account for this and as I have said the machines have only an OS in common once the Blaze sofware was removed. I am typing this at 3:00 AM since the machine I had left on at a little after midnight was shutdown when I came down just now to check it. This same machine had run from 7:00 AM yesterday morning when I turned it back on to midnight with no problems so the mysterious shutdowns don't appear to be correlated with how long the machine has been on. Neither machine has ever shown any sign of overheating. SpeedFan will show between 38 and 41 degress for the CPU all day. The lab temperature is a steady 26.

I have run SuperAntiSpyware, Trojan Remover, Malwarebytes antimalware, Sophos rootkit software etc. without finding any malware on either machine. AV scans of the complete system shows nothing either.

In desperation, I am asking if any of you have any idea of what could be the problem.

Note added:
Both computers appear to have no other problems -- other than the apparent programmed shutdown. I have used both of them extensively during the time they exhibited this anomolous behavior and have not encountered any other failure or out of the ordinary behavior.
 

Gustavus

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I thought there was some possibility the shutdown was being initiated from an internet link from outside the computers affected. To test this I physically disconnected the ethernet cable connecting the machine to the router. It still shuts down just as before -- so whatever is causing the shutdown is in the machines themselves.
 

Gustavus

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OK, I know what I am about to report is impossible, but here is the latest installment of the mystery.

The IC7 G motherboard based system is a rather clean build. I have quite a few computers and a well stocked lab full of components and parts to draw on so yesterday I decided to install a freshly formatted harddrive and do a fresh install Windows to it. The essentials of the IC7 machine are as follows. The C drive is on the primary IDE connector as master -- no slave drive. The archive drive is on the secondary IDE connector -- no slave drive. There is a Promise 100 controller with one optical drive on connector 1 and one optical drive on connector 2. No slave drives on any cables. At the moment the machine is running on the new OCZ 500 watt PS, although it showed the same behavior when on the Thermaltake 480 watt PS. The machine is currently on the APC Back-UPS 1500 UPS, although it showed the same behavior when on the APC Smart UPS 1000. There is no control connection from the machine to the UPS -- in other words I am using the UPS as dumb backup.

I chose a Seagate 500 GB drive that had been formatted on another machine and installed it as the active C drive and then installed Windows XP with SP2 from CD. I also installed NOD32 AV so I could go on net and update drives etc -- not wanting to take anything from the old installation. Everything worked perfectly all day. I left the machine running when we went to bed just after midnight and this morning it had been shut down. My main machine connected to the same router was left on and was still on when we got up.

I know what I have just described is impossible -- but there you are.

Bottom line is that two machines built on entirely different motherboards are shutting down as though under program control. Replacing the C drive in one of them and doing a completely fresh install of Windows didn't fix the problem. The only people in the house are my wife and I so there is no way someone could be shutting down the machines All told we have five computers running; my wifes machine and one in the HiFi room both on the wireless link. Neither of those show this behavior. My main machine in the lab is connected to the router with an ethernet cable -- and as I said it did not shut down, and hasn't in the past. The other two machines are also in the lab and when connected to the LAN and net are connected by an ethernet cable directly to the router. Disconnecting either one of them from the internet has not stopped the mysterious shutdowns -- so it doesn't appear to be possible it is a remote shutdown. The only components common to the the two machines are that station uses the same Samsung 205BW monitor, keyboard and mouse. Can't imagine any of those three having anything to do with the problem.

We must have a poltergeist, what we called a gremlin back in the 40's when I was a radar tech. Don't believe in such things of course, but sure can't think of any other explanation.
 

Eeqmcsq

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Definitely a mystery. The things that I would try are:

1. Try logging in to Safe Mode, no networking. Don't run anything once you log in, and leave the machine on overnight.

2. Try NOT logging in. Leave the computer on the user name/password prompt and leave the machine on overnight.

3. Try running an ubuntu live cd. Leave that on overnight.

4. Try switching monitors, then keyboard, then mouse. I know some keyboards have extra buttons that let you control the volume, launch apps, and put the computer to sleep. Perhaps your keyboard has some unique programmable feature that shuts down the computer at night. Perhaps your monitor or even mouse has some weird hidden bug or feature like this. At this point, anything is possible.
 

Gustavus

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Eeqmcsq

Thanks for the reply. I thought I had tried everything possible -- but hadn't considered testing an overnight run in safe mode. I will do that tonight. Not sure what it will tell me if the machine is on in the morning, but that is a test I hadn't considered. I'll post the results here.

I use the old IBM Model M keyboards on all of my machines -- like the positive key feel to them. I bought a dozen several years ago when people were going to the keyboards with internet functions etc. Over the intervening years I have tried all sorts of new ones, Logitech, Microsoft, Memorex etc., but always go back to the IBM's for the key feel I am used to. That pretty much eliminates the keyboard having some hidden function. As you might expect from my comments about the keyboards, all of my mice are Microsoft Intellimouse two button mice. Vey simple -- and old fashioned. I have numerous monitors -- some flat screen and several CRT so as a last resort will try swapping monitors. Doesn't make any sense, but neither does what I am experiencing.

Thanks again, you have suggested some things to try that I hadn't thought of. Hope one of them works.
 

Eeqmcsq

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If running in safe mode keeps the computer on, then it suggests that there's some driver or autostarted app that's causing the auto shut down. It's the same rationale with the staying at the login prompt test. The ubuntu live CD test could have ruled out Windows XP entirely and pointed the finger at hardware or the BIOS.

One last thing. Out of complete desperation, instead of switching the keyboard, monitor, or mouse, try completely disconnecting them before you go to sleep.

Good luck. Can't wait for the results.
 

Eeqmcsq

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And if you want to be insane, move your PC's clock 12 hours ahead. If the shut down occurs at a certain programmed time at night, maybe you can catch it shutting down this way.
 

Gustavus

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Eeqmcsq

I left the IC7 G machine on in safe mode last night and it was still on this morning. I'm doing some writing today and don't have time to work with the computers, so will simply repeat the experiment again tonight.