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[LTC8K6]

If it doesn't take advantage of the additional resources that GCN1.2 offers, then it's not going to perform better. Likewise if it can take advantage of the 280X extra shaders then it will perform better.

Well, I wanted a clean comparison of GCN1 to 1.2, but there doesn't seem to be a suitable pair of cards with the same core config and memory bandwidth.

 

[RussianSensation]

Well, I wanted a clean comparison of GCN1 to 1.2, but there doesn't seem to be a suitable pair of cards with the same core config and memory bandwidth.

Well imo 2GB cards are DOA in the $150-180 space which means for Tonga we are really looking at the R9 380 4GB, the cheapest of which is $210. With R9 280X selling for $185, GTX960 4GB for $200 and R9 290 for $230, with the latter ~43% faster at 1080P, is Tonga really relevant? In the $150 space, R9 285 2GB is a worse buy than the R9 280 3GB or GTX960 2GB.

Some people keep waiting for some magic from Tonga's GCN but that's just fantasies. Unless something drastically changes, R9 285/380 cards will continue to be irrelevant without price drops. By the time Tonga's geometry performance comes into play against 280X, both of these cards will be outdated. Anyone who does research and is interested in more performance for barely more $ is stepping up to the R9 290/GTX970 and skipping R9 380.

 

[MeldarthX]

Well imo 2GB cards are DOA in the $150-180 space which means for Tonga we are really looking at the R9 380 4GB, the cheapest of which is $210. With R9 280X selling for $185, GTX960 4GB for $200 and R9 290 for $230, with the latter ~43% faster at 1080P, is Tonga really relevant? In the $150 space, R9 285 2GB is a worse buy than the R9 280 3GB or GTX960 2GB.

Some people keep waiting for some magic from Tonga's GCN but that's just fantasies. Unless something drastically changes, R9 285/380 cards will continue to be irrelevant without price drops. By the time Tonga's geometry performance comes into play against 280X, both of these cards will be outdated. Anyone who does research and is interested in more performance for barely more $ is stepping up to the R9 290/GTX970 and skipping R9 380.

RS you need to stop this; R9 290X isn't really available in the UK or even really in Europe. Not new - or they are the same prices as 390 or more. The choice between 290X or 390; its the 390......

390 prices have come down a little in the UK by the price cut of the 970; 380 we're looking at 180ish; and 390 is 250ish.

If you can find a new 290X at 240; great....but only one on newegg that I quickly checked close to that was a refurbed tri-x 290X

the rest of the 290Xs are 330-350 - guess prices of 390 320-350.....some as low as 300.

The super cheap deals on 290X are pretty much dried up. *if you want me to look at more websites I will* If you're buying new; same price no reason to get the 290X over 390.......none period.

If you're buying used yea get the 290X cheap

 

[Headfoot]

RS you need to stop this; R9 290X isn't really available in the UK or even really in Europe.

So he needs to stop posting, because you live in a different country than him? How about no.

 

[cen1]

Well, I completely understand MeldarthX.

I see a lot of US posts which go something like "Why do you want to buy ->insert your choice here<- if you can get XYZ from this US-only store for only ZXY$ after rebate or some special deal which only lasts a limited time???"

In Europe there are no such "crazy deals" and pretty much all GPUs are priced according to their performance and with the usual unjustified Europe tax. It gets annoying.

R9 290 is still ~330&#8364; here!

 

[LTC8K6]

Well imo 2GB cards are DOA in the $150-180 space which means for Tonga we are really looking at the R9 380 4GB, the cheapest of which is $210. With R9 280X selling for $185, GTX960 4GB for $200 and R9 290 for $230, with the latter ~43% faster at 1080P, is Tonga really relevant? In the $150 space, R9 285 2GB is a worse buy than the R9 280 3GB or GTX960 2GB.

Some people keep waiting for some magic from Tonga's GCN but that's just fantasies. Unless something drastically changes, R9 285/380 cards will continue to be irrelevant without price drops. By the time Tonga's geometry performance comes into play against 280X, both of these cards will be outdated. Anyone who does research and is interested in more performance for barely more $ is stepping up to the R9 290/GTX970 and skipping R9 380.

R9-380 1792:112:32

No 300 series card in this gap 2048:128:32

R9-390 2560:160:64

That will be my next AMD video card. GCN1.2 2048:128:32

 

[n0x1ous]

That will be my next AMD video card. GCN1.2 2048:128:32

imac? :biggrin:

 

[LTC8K6]

imac? :biggrin:

I guess so.

AMD stubbornly refuses to make the card that I want. D: :biggrin:

 

[Makaveli]

Techspot review has minimums

http://www.techspot.com/review/1060-metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-benchmarks/

 

[LTC8K6]

Techspot review has minimums

http://www.techspot.com/review/1060-metal-gear-solid-phantom-pain-benchmarks/

Before people ask:

Apologies to those who wanted to see the R9 Fury X and Fury in our results. Sadly AMD is circulating just 1 or 2 of each card in Australia and we weren't able to hold onto ours. Worst still, everywhere locally that I have checked, along with major retailers such as Newegg.com, have been out of the Fury X for weeks.

With AMD's heavy hitters in short supply, the fastest AMD GPU we have on hand is the R9 390X and while it was able to keep pace with the GTX 780 Ti and slightly trail the GTX 970, we had nothing that could be compared with the GTX 980 or faster.

 

[RussianSensation]

380 we're looking at 180ish; and 390 is 250ish.

Using your prices, it doesn't invalidate my point since 380 is still overpriced and isn't worth buying.

At HQ, R9 390 is 52% faster at 1080P vs. a 380, but according to your data the 390 costs 39% more (250/180). That means 380 is still a bad value, especially since more expensive cards tend to have a declining price/performance curve. In this case, anyone who is serious about value is looking for a used HD7970Ghz/R9 280X/R9 290/290X or is saving up to a GTX970/R9 390 level card in your market.

Also, GTX960 4GB is about ~160 pounds in the UK, with a free metal gear solid game too. I am assuming people interested in the MGS V game will want a 960 4GB with a free game considering it costs nearly 20 pounds less than a 380 to start with. So imo that also invalidates the 380 in your market as I already said.

But I will keep recommending for gamers to save a little extra and wait for a good deal on a GTX970/R9 390 or a used R9 290/290X/B-stock 970 cards (if available in your region) simply because the performance difference between the 970/390/290 tier is rather larger vs. the 950/380/960 tier.

I also cannot recommend cards with a weak GPU and also crippled by 2GB of VRAM at this point unless we are talking budget HTCP style 750/750Ti level cards.

I also do not understand the thinking of some of the 'budget' PC gamers. For the last 24 months, advice was given on various forums online to purchase R9 280X, HD7970Ghz (when they were on a fire sale) for budget gamers because it was predicted that once those cards would sell out, it would not be possible to get such a good deal. Then a very long period of probably 8 months persisted when after-market R9 290 were available for great prices because their reputation was tarnished. Scan.co.UK had the Asus Matrix R9 290 for less than 240 pounds and I recall seeing brand new R9 290 far cheaper in the UK.

I am curious for someone who really was eager and actually serious about getting the best deal on a graphics card in the last 2 years when all these great deals persisted for months and month, what did these gamers do, just keep waiting for some miracle like a 180 pound R9 290?

Sure, there are probably countries like Brazil, some Central Asian countries, UAE, etc. where R9 280X/290 never bottomed out but UK isn't on that list. UK had incredible discounts on HD7970Ghz, R9 280X and R9 290 before they went EOL. So in my eyes anyone who missed on all of those deals and is now stuck choosing the inferior R9 380/960/960 4GB only has himself/herself to blame. At this point this gamer either should go to the used card market, accept that he/she mistimed the market and buy the worse price/performing 380-960 level cards or save up a bit more and wait for a 970/390 deal.

My view is buying a 380/960 level card will ultimately cost the budget gamer MORE money upgrading long-term. That's because the gap in performance with 290/970/390 is massive and that means probably spending 160-180 pounds on a low end 380/960 now and then yet another 160-180 on a card that will likely barely beat a 290/290X/970/390 card. What is the point of that when the R9 390 is 250ish pounds as you say? Sounds like a waste of $ long-term to buy 380/960 level cards.

P.S. Honest and friendly advice -- if you want other fellow forum members to consider prices of PC hardware in your home country when making recommendations, please display the location where you reside under your avatar. We are not mind readers. If other forum members do not know that you live in Poland, Brazil, Sweden, or the UK, etc. how are we supposed to know what best applies to your situation? If fellow forum members have an idea of where the person resides, it gives them a better understanding of your market positioning. Furthermore, people sharing prices of PC hardware in their home countries also helps others from the same region make better buying decisions.

I personally have no problem scanning prices in the UK as scan.co.uk makes it easy. If you have other good websites/stores to add that sell hardware in the UK, I will gladly add them to my list and will be a lot more considerate of prices in the UK for those members that I know live in the UK based on their Location setting. The same applies for other countries too. We are all here to share knowledge and passion for PC hardware and I apologize that I do not consider prices of other countries when making recommendation as it would be simply impossible to cover 200+ countries worldwide. Just let us know the prices in your home region and I am sure there will be people from your home country that will be of great help; as well as other members here will be able to provide good feedback based on the prices provided in your home country.

 

[ocre]

I just wonder who actually asked for advice and why is there so much spamming and prices in the metal dear solid V thread

On topic-----

Is this game any fun? I was thinking about this game or mad max, what do you guys think?

 

[alcoholbob]

Pretty big gap between R9 Fury and R9 Fury X at 4K. Seems like this game is shader bottlenecked?

 

[RussianSensation]

Is this game any fun? I was thinking about this game or mad max, what do you guys think?

I would go for MGS V between those 2 games as long as you want that style of game. At the same time there are a lot of other games coming out in case you want to balance your budget this holiday:

Fallout 4
Star Wars Battlefront
Just Cause 3
DAI - Trespasser expansion
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
COD BO3
Hitman (reboot of the franchise)
Need for Speed (reboot of the franchise along style NFS Underground games)
Fifa 2016
Pro Evolution Soccer 2016
NBA 2K16
Gears of War Ultimate Edition
Divinity Original Sin - Enhanced Edition

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Interesting that MGS V has already sold 3 million copies but it's barely half way to breaking even as the development budget alone was $80 million US, not even including the marketing costs which can be 2-3X the development budget for major publishers.

Another shocking fact is that despite MGS V selling over 3 million copies so far, that's across PS4/XB1 and PC. In comparison, MGS 4 sold over 3 million copies in the same period on just one platform! I found this very surprising given that MGS V may get GOTY.
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Hopefully MGS V sells > 5 million copies or Konami would have been correct in firing Hideo Kojima for making a super game but ultimately a Pyrrhic victory if it barely makes any $.

 

[railven]

I would go for MGS V between those 2 games as long as you want that style of game. At the same time there are a lot of other games coming out in case you wan to balance your budget this holiday:

Fallout 4
Star Wars Battlefront
Just Cause 3
DAI - Trespasser expansion
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
COD BO3
Hitman (reboot of the franchise)
Need for Speed (reboot of the franchise along style NFS Underground games)
Fifa 2016
Pro Evolution Soccer 2016
NBA 2K16
Gears of War Ultimate Edition
Divinity Original Sin - Enhanced Edition

======

Interesting that MGS V has already sold 3 million copies but it's barely half way to breaking even as the development budget alone was $80 million US, not even including the marketing costs which can be 2-3X the development budget for major publishers.

Another shocking fact is that despite MGS V selling over 3 million copies so far, that's across PS4/XB1 and PC. In comparison, MGS 4 sold over 3 million copies in the same period on just one platform! I found this very surprising given that MGS V may get GOTY.
Source

Hopefully MGS V sells > 5 million copies or Konami would have been correct in firing Hideo Kojima for making a super game but ultimately a Pyrrhic victory if it barely makes any $.

There is a vocal minority on boycotting/protesting MGS5 solely on how Konami treated Hideo during the last few months of production.

Konami has done a great job of basically ruining all the gamer-cred they've garnished over the years. I wouldn't be surprised if MGS5 shows high piracy activity and low console sales just to spite Konami.

Then there is the whole "Quiet" fiasco about her character being sexual objectification.

Lots of ramble-ramble following this game until the very end. Wouldn't be surprised if it negatively affects sales.

 

[RussianSensation]

There is a vocal minority on boycotting/protesting MGS5 solely on how Konami treated Hideo during the last few months of production.

Konami has done a great job of basically ruining all the gamer-cred they've garnished over the years. I wouldn't be surprised if MGS5 shows high piracy activity and low console sales just to spite Konami.

Then there is the whole "Quiet" fiasco about her character being sexual objectification.

Lots of ramble-ramble following this game until the very end. Wouldn't be surprised if it negatively affects sales.

That sucks and I know as I read some of the points you bring up. I think regardless of our view whether we agree that Konami is a bad company to work for, it's not a valid excuse to pirate the game. In essence, pirating the game is stealing someone's work and also it will reduce its revenue, and the ability of Konami to break even, thus ironically justifying Konami's actions in telling Kojima the relationship is over. That means the more the Konami haters pirate the game, the MORE they are going to build a stronger business case for how this game's massive development budget made it an unprofitable project/game for Konami, thus strengthening Konami's decision and weakening Kojima's business acumen (assuming the sales manage to top out at around 5-6 million copies).

At the end of the day we could think Kojima is one of the best game developers of all time but if he spends $80+ million to make a game and the game loses $, he could be recognized as a great game artist/developer/visionary but a horrible businessman. Ultimately if complex and expensive to develop and primarily single-player driven games like MGS V struggle to make $, then publishers will be more likely to go for the safe route like AC Syndicate, COD, Madden, Fifa, Batman, and other staple franchises. That's not doing the gaming industry any favours because ultimately the top management has to answer to the BOD and shareholders.

It's amazing to me how The Witcher 3 and MGS V manage to sell 3-5 million and then generally their sales level off quickly but GTA V, an open world game with hardly an evolving story completely destroyed them in sales, and yet its development cost was only 71% higher than MGS V's but it ultimately might sell close to 10X (GTA V could hit 60 million+ lifetime).

 

[ocre]

I would go for MGS V between those 2 games as long as you want that style of game. At the same time there are a lot of other games coming out in case you want to balance your budget this holiday:

Fallout 4
Star Wars Battlefront
Just Cause 3
DAI - Trespasser expansion
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
COD BO3
Hitman (reboot of the franchise)
Need for Speed (reboot of the franchise along style NFS Underground games)
Fifa 2016
Pro Evolution Soccer 2016
NBA 2K16
Gears of War Ultimate Edition
Divinity Original Sin - Enhanced Edition

======

Interesting that MGS V has already sold 3 million copies but it's barely half way to breaking even as the development budget alone was $80 million US, not even including the marketing costs which can be 2-3X the development budget for major publishers.

Another shocking fact is that despite MGS V selling over 3 million copies so far, that's across PS4/XB1 and PC. In comparison, MGS 4 sold over 3 million copies in the same period on just one platform! I found this very surprising given that MGS V may get GOTY.
Source

Hopefully MGS V sells > 5 million copies or Konami would have been correct in firing Hideo Kojima for making a super game but ultimately a Pyrrhic victory if it barely makes any $.

I was originally set on madmax but this game is getting crazy high reviews.

I think fallout and just cause are an absolute for me.

Mgs5, it's got my interest now

 

[RussianSensation]

I was originally set on madmax but this game is getting crazy high reviews.

I think fallout and just cause are an absolute for me.

Mgs5, it's got my interest now

There is a deal on Mad Max with DLC for $15.75. Price is $14.96 after liking CDKeys Facebook Page (5% Off coupon will be e-mailed). Just throwing that out there in case you decide to try both titles.

 

[ocre]

wholly crap!!!

Thanks. RS!!!!

It is a no brainer


edit:
fudge------------------

out of stock!!!!!

They are supposed to notify me when/if it comes back in stock

thanks again!!!

 

[ocre]

There is a deal on Mad Max with DLC for $15.75. Price is $14.96 after liking CDKeys Facebook Page (5% Off coupon will be e-mailed). Just throwing that out there in case you decide to try both titles.

So after i signed up for Email notification the game was available. I bought it. :biggrin:

 

[thilanliyan]

There is a deal on Mad Max with DLC for $15.75. Price is $14.96 after liking CDKeys Facebook Page (5% Off coupon will be e-mailed). Just throwing that out there in case you decide to try both titles.

Is this redeemable on Steam or GOG?

 

[ocre]

Is this redeemable on Steam or GOG?

I bought it, it was a steam key. Had to verify with a txt msg code and they sent me a key.

I already activated it thru steam and downloaded it. Won't get to play it until late tonight.

An awesome deal, for sure!!!

Btw...
There is this other BS company with a very similar name, I think it is CJS CDkey, I wouldn't mess with them. At first I was reluctant but I have talked to a couple of people as well as read a lot people's post. All positive. This company seems legit.

I still used PayPal just because.

I want to thank RS again for the link

 

[tential]

Well, I completely understand MeldarthX.

I see a lot of US posts which go something like "Why do you want to buy ->insert your choice here<- if you can get XYZ from this US-only store for only ZXY$ after rebate or some special deal which only lasts a limited time???"

In Europe there are no such "crazy deals" and pretty much all GPUs are priced according to their performance and with the usual unjustified Europe tax. It gets annoying.

R9 290 is still ~330€ here!

Either put your location in your profile so that it shows up so we know not to recommend you US products,
go find a forum that is UK/Europe centered,
Stop complaining about US prices on a US forum.

Why don't I head over to sweclockers.com's forums and complain that they are quoting deals that aren't available to me as an American?

Are you even serious with this or are you trolling? The local currency/location of a forum is ALWAYS used, as wells as the laws associated with that country, instead of a foreign country.

So again, use one of your three options, because it's utterly ridiculous that you seem to think that a site aimed at US users should not mention prices/deals available WITHIN THE UNITED STATES, because they are not available in every single country world wide.

 

[Magee_MC]

There is a deal on Mad Max with DLC for $15.75. Price is $14.96 after liking CDKeys Facebook Page (5% Off coupon will be e-mailed). Just throwing that out there in case you decide to try both titles.

Thanks! Bought and downloading. Without having to wait a few years for the price to come down to that range.

 

[chimaxi83]

CDKeys is definitely legit. I've bought quite a few things from them, all 100% smooth sailing. Steam, PSN, Xbox Live redemptions, all good. In case anyone else was wondering.