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Computer Science Majors?

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EmperorIQ

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Anyone here computer science majors? I was talking to a guy who claims that the job market for computer science major is crapped now and a bachelors means sh*t right now. He said that there are much much more people out there with a whole lot more experience that you'd have to be a really really smart aaaaaaaaaaaaas to get a job by the time you graduate. This guy scared me, do yo uguys have any opinions on t his? I always assumed as long as we (computer science majors) worked hard and had a few connections we can get a decent career.
thanks
 
I always assumed as long as we (computer science majors) worked hard and had a few connections we can get a decent career.
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No, your friend is quite astute.
Pack your bags and move to India while the getting there is still good.
 
Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
Anyone here computer science majors? I was talking to a guy who claims that the job market for computer science major is crapped now and a bachelors means sh*t right now. He said that there are much much more people out there with a whole lot more experience that you'd have to be a really really smart aaaaaaaaaaaaas to get a job by the time you graduate. This guy scared me, do yo uguys have any opinions on t his? I always assumed as long as we (computer science majors) worked hard and had a few connections we can get a decent career.
thanks
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your frnd is partly right about experienced people being out there, i am a comp sci major (bachelors and masters) and i work an in a pretty big sofware company, what i would say is dont decide your career/major based on whatz hot/in at the moment, pursue wat interests you and what you are really good at and see yourself doing, if you do you'll do well no matter what
 
While its not the job market it was, i doubt i will be starving when i graduate.
 
i honestly enjoy studying computer science, and i look forward to every course i take (even though during it i will complain about how hard it is) i always end up happy fo what i learned in the end, so i'm sure i am in the right major.
 
Originally posted by: Jzero
I always assumed as long as we (computer science majors) worked hard and had a few connections we can get a decent career.
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No, your friend is quite astute.
Pack your bags and move to India while the getting there is still good.
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Sad to say but I heard a lot of my department is moving in this direction too. Not good times for us CS folks...wish I woulda graduated back in '99 when it was booming.
 
you'd have to be a really really smart aaaaaaaaaaaaas to get a job by the time you graduate
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some truth in this, since you're competing against experienced people who've proven they can do the job. Listen to Kalster:
what i would say is dont decide your career/major based on whatz hot/in at the moment
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If you're going to be a successful (and good) software developer you don't necessarily need to be super-S-M-R-T, it's more important that you enjoy the subject enough to put in more than just the effort needed to pass your classes.

In software devlopment you'll need to keep learning new languages, APIs, operating systems, etc. for the rest of your career, so if you don't enjoy studying CS now you'll really hate your work life.
 
The market is over-saturated right now. There are WAY too many students graduating with the degree than the market can handle. I don't see the job market improving significantly to restore itself to the state that it was once in years ago.
 
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
Originally posted by: Phocas
While its not the job market it was, i doubt i will be starving when i graduate.
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just graduated as a CS major, i am starving.
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Did you intern?

Do you have any projects you did on your own?

Companies want people that can prove themselves. There are places hiring. MS is almost always hiring(atleast every year anyways).
 
It depends how good you are, what experience you have (if any), and who you know. If you don't have anything to set yourself apart from all the other CS grads, and if you don't have any connections, you're going to have some trouble.

It would be beneifical to work on something worthy of note; something you can show to potential employers. You need to involve yourself in the developer community somehow whether local or global, and you need to build up some connections. Join the local user groups and talk to the people there.
 
Originally posted by: Ranger X
The market is over-saturated right now. There are WAY too many students graduating with the degree than the market can handle. I don't see the job market improving significantly to restore itself to the state that it was once in years ago.
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Years ago, AKA the Dot.Com boom, there was so much capital being thrown around companies were hiring unqualified people. The Dot.Com boom also caused alot of people go into CS, to make "a lot of money". A good percentage of CS grads have no buisness in software development.
 
CS is hurting...


Info Sys Design and Management is still alright...

Thank god Im an info sys major and not a CS one...
 
We have an "operator" (clerk 4 really - prints reports, watchs backups) who's graduated with a CS degree. We normally use non-computer people or college students for these positions. Can't find anything real. Higher ups won't create a position for him (we wanted to move him into programming). He's going back to school for BioMed and Rad Tech.

Another left not long ago to become a public school teacher.
 
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Ranger X
The market is over-saturated right now. There are WAY too many students graduating with the degree than the market can handle. I don't see the job market improving significantly to restore itself to the state that it was once in years ago.
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Years ago, AKA the Dot.Com boom, there was so much capital being thrown around companies were hiring unqualified people. The Dot.Com boom also caused alot of people go into CS, to make "a lot of money". A good percentage of CS grads have no buisness in software development.
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This is pretty much the main issue. You see the same thing happening in the medical industry with all the nurses. There's a large need for nurses, so it seems everyone who hadn't any previous direction in life goes through school as quickly as possible. What results is a lot of seriously unqualified people being pushed through these schools like a pilot learning from MS Flight Sim. In the end, the quality people will persevere, and the others will die of attrition from industry saturation.

People say IT is dead simply because you can't go through a few months course and make $80k/yr. If you're good, you will be successful.

 
Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
i honestly enjoy studying computer science, and i look forward to every course i take (even though during it i will complain about how hard it is) i always end up happy fo what i learned in the end, so i'm sure i am in the right major.
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thatz great, dont worry what is in store 2-3 years down the line then (or when u graduate), just do ur best in school, things will fall into place, well i am an optimist hehe but ne way dont get bothered by wat ppl say , everyone has a diff take on things
 
CS major here too. im enjoying what im doing....but hope i can get a job.

i wonder how much my minors in psyc and econ will help.
 
Originally posted by: gwlam12
CS major here too. im enjoying what im doing....but hope i can get a job.

i wonder how much my minors in psyc and econ will help.
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Thats why you have to go for a double major. I already finished my Microbiology Degree and I am working finishing my CIS degree. I am pretty sure this should help me out if or when I go apply to Phillips or HP (they do alot of science related work as well, so having a strong science and computer degree) should help, but then again who knows. I will tell ya what happens to me next time this year.
 
Is your friend comparing to the bubble time?

I'm personally tired of people saying "The economy's so screwed right now." as a reason for why they haven't sent out a resume. Sorry.. random rant.

Don't do computer science because of the money involved. Just do what you like. If you like to program.. there will be a fun job waiting for you somewhere in the future.
 
Originally posted by: Descartes
It depends how good you are, what experience you have (if any), and who you know. If you don't have anything to set yourself apart from all the other CS grads, and if you don't have any connections, you're going to have some trouble.

It would be beneifical to work on something worthy of note; something you can show to potential employers. You need to involve yourself in the developer community somehow whether local or global, and you need to build up some connections. Join the local user groups and talk to the people there.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I've been working full time for a lil' over a year (interned for 2 years before that) and I have gone to my old school to recruit with the people from HR. I have seen DESPERATE students looking for a job and guess what? Most of them had 3.5GPA or better! You have to set yourself apart from hundreds of applicants (and I do mean, hundreds).

Someone said something about having to be "good" at your job. First of all, what you currently know is a bonus. Coming straight out of college, they don't expect you to just dive in and start. What they're interested in is .. are you trainable, can you work in a team environment, and are you somewhat qualified (i.e., are you graduating with the right degree and have you taken the right courses). Most hiring managers will look at a resume no more than a few seconds. Your resume MUST stick out somehow.

Oh and when people say "it's not what you know but who you know", it's very much true in most cases. I know plenty of unqualified employees working -- and still working -- because they know the right people.
 
I feel sorry for all you grads.
Having no good job for several years is going to hurt your outlook on life
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
CS is hurting... Info Sys Design and Management is still alright... Thank god Im an info sys major and not a CS one...
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Give me a fvckin vreak youre a CS flunkie thats why you are MIS or Info Sys or whatever the fvck you want to call it. Computer Science was too hard for you so you gave up to plug routers and switchs together and be some sort of bs paper/email pusher.
 
Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
Anyone here computer science majors? I was talking to a guy who claims that the job market for computer science major is crapped now and a bachelors means sh*t right now. He said that there are much much more people out there with a whole lot more experience that you'd have to be a really really smart aaaaaaaaaaaaas to get a job by the time you graduate. This guy scared me, do yo uguys have any opinions on t his? I always assumed as long as we (computer science majors) worked hard and had a few connections we can get a decent career.
thanks
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programmers are cheap, engineers are not. i know a lot of comp sci ppl who graduated recently and do not have jobs programming. i know ppl who have masters in compsci, and some do have jobs.

the same applies with all majors. a degree means less if you have no real world experiences through internships or coops.
 
Originally posted by: SammySon
I feel sorry for all you grads.
Having no good job for several years is going to hurt your outlook on life
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And might I add, the longer the graduation date becomes, the harder the chances. Companies like to hire fresh minds coming straight out of college, for the most part. Some companies will even wonder if something is wrong with you because of the lengthy drought.
 
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