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Computer Repair Business

necine

Diamond Member
I'm thinking of setting up a computer repair business. This would be a small run out of the house gig. I know the technical aspect of what I would have to do for small in home PC repair and networking. However, I'm not too sure about taxes and stuff like that. Should I even register a business name and put my name in the phone book? Should I just get business cards printed and start a website and hope the government doesn't notice?

Any ideas?
 
Well, if you do set it up as a legit business then you'll have to pay taxes on your earnings I'm sure. But if you don't, then you won't be able to write off anything as a "business expense".

Need a new 7800GT? BAM..... business expense.

Want that 30" Mac flat panel monitor? BOOYAH...... business expense. 😛


Well, I'm sure it doesn't work exactly like that, but you catch my drift.
 
Any ideas?

get an entrepreneurship minor at a local collage.. shouldn't take more than 18 hours and that should set you with enough accounting and finance so that you truly understand how to run a business.

alternatively, just get the books and study yourself.

but without a working understanding of accounting and finance you'll either be pissing your time and money away on useless ventures or you'll endup getting nailed by the IRS.
 
Originally posted by: Saysys
Any ideas?

get an entrepreneurship minor at a local collage.. shouldn't take more than 18 hours and that should set you with enough accounting and finance so that you truly understand how to run a business.

alternatively, just get the books and study yourself.

but without a working understanding of accounting and finance you'll either be pissing your time and money away on useless ventures or you'll endup getting nailed by the IRS.

IIRC, if you create your business as a sole proprietorship, you do not pay any extra taxes. All of your business income is treated as personal income. However, all the business' debts become your personal debts as well, and can send you as an individual into bankruptcy.
 
depending on the state you can get an S type corporation, this is a single-taxed liability shelter and well worth the cash. otherwise incorporate, take the double taxation *you can probably embezzle your way out of that to start anyway*. If your worth anything or plan on being worth anything you shouldn?t even clean a lawn without a company to take the liability.

if you start trying to 'write off' stuff without understanding accounting your going to get nailed by the IRS.
 
Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: Saysys
Any ideas?

get an entrepreneurship minor at a local collage.. shouldn't take more than 18 hours and that should set you with enough accounting and finance so that you truly understand how to run a business.

alternatively, just get the books and study yourself.

but without a working understanding of accounting and finance you'll either be pissing your time and money away on useless ventures or you'll endup getting nailed by the IRS.

IIRC, if you create your business as a sole proprietorship, you do not pay any extra taxes. All of your business income is treated as personal income. However, all the business' debts become your personal debts as well, and can send you as an individual into bankruptcy.

And more importantly, liabilities.

EDIT: Listen to the guy above me.

I considered this a while back and decided at my point in life (at the time, anyway) it just wasn't worth the time, effort, and money to do it right.
 
I've started (and sold) many businesses. There are many places to find "how to start a business" information, such as www.sba.gov sba = small business administration. That's your tax dollars, might as well take advantage of it. Also check out SCORE, free advice, good place. In addition to a great web site, they give cheap (free?) classes in exactly what you are asking.

There are also a zillion books about Starting A Business For Dummies. Scan the table of contents, and see if there are any chapters that sound interesting. A lot of these books is fluff ("what color curtains should you put in your home office?") but there is some useful information.

Basically, if you make money, you need to file with the IRS. Don't start out thinking you can beat them, or slip under the radar, or whatever. If you're going to fix a few computers for friends and neighbors, then yeah, okay. But if you're serious about a business, do it right from the start.

The start, BTW, is when the money comes in. THAT's when you actually have a business. You want to have your books set up by then.

Basically, find an accountant you can talk to, and listen to him/her about setting up your accounts. You'll use something like Quickbooks, make sure you have an accountant who is cool with whatever program you use - then at the end of the quarter you just zip files and life is easy (JOKE). It gets more complicated the more money you make - but hey, you have more money to pay someone to come in and take care of the details.

Beware of an accountant who insists on an accounting package that costs thousands of dollars. Start small, work your way up. When you need complex depreciation software, for example, THEN is the time to worry about that.

You CAN start by putting your reciepts in a box and handing everything over to your accountant, but then you will be paying your expensive accountant a LOT of money to do something that you should be doing easily.

You can get liability insurance if you're not ready to incorporate and you're worried about liability.

The IRS, and your state tax people, are the ones who will give you the most trouble if you don't follow their rules, so get with the program from the start. (Actually, the WORST idiots are the unemployment insurance people, but you don't deal with them until you have a payroll.) Other things, such as licenses, etc, you can pretty much wait until somebody calls you on it - you don't know yet what licenses, etc you'll need.

There is a basic rule of thumb when running your own business, or working for yourself: for every paid hour you work, you work one unpaid hour dealing with biz matters and work prep. If you allow for that, you'll be fine.

Anybody who can repair computers has the intelligence/understanding to set up a basic business. Look around you at the businesses that you know, many of which are run by complete idiots.

Good luck.

P.S. I highly recommend the book The E-Myth by Peter Gerber, "e" being entrepreneur. I think. Anyway, it will help you think like a businessperson, rather than a guy who fixes computers.

 
INCREDIBLY hard business to succeed and/or make more than pocket change at.

I wish you luck, but I've seen thousands fail. 🙁

It CAN be done, but the competition is everywhere, and once you charge someone to fix their PC, they think you are their bitch.

SMB networking us where the money is for the small guy.
 
Originally posted by: badmouse
I've started (and sold) many businesses. There are many places to find "how to start a business" information, such as www.sba.gov sba = small business administration. That's your tax dollars, might as well take advantage of it. Also check out SCORE, free advice, good place. In addition to a great web site, they give cheap (free?) classes in exactly what you are asking.

There are also a zillion books about Starting A Business For Dummies. Scan the table of contents, and see if there are any chapters that sound interesting. A lot of these books is fluff ("what color curtains should you put in your home office?") but there is some useful information.

Basically, if you make money, you need to file with the IRS. Don't start out thinking you can beat them, or slip under the radar, or whatever. If you're going to fix a few computers for friends and neighbors, then yeah, okay. But if you're serious about a business, do it right from the start.

The start, BTW, is when the money comes in. THAT's when you actually have a business. You want to have your books set up by then.

Basically, find an accountant you can talk to, and listen to him/her about setting up your accounts. You'll use something like Quickbooks, make sure you have an accountant who is cool with whatever program you use - then at the end of the quarter you just zip files and life is easy (JOKE). It gets more complicated the more money you make - but hey, you have more money to pay someone to come in and take care of the details.

Beware of an accountant who insists on an accounting package that costs thousands of dollars. Start small, work your way up. When you need complex depreciation software, for example, THEN is the time to worry about that.

You CAN start by putting your reciepts in a box and handing everything over to your accountant, but then you will be paying your expensive accountant a LOT of money to do something that you should be doing easily.

You can get liability insurance if you're not ready to incorporate and you're worried about liability.

The IRS, and your state tax people, are the ones who will give you the most trouble if you don't follow their rules, so get with the program from the start. (Actually, the WORST idiots are the unemployment insurance people, but you don't deal with them until you have a payroll.) Other things, such as licenses, etc, you can pretty much wait until somebody calls you on it - you don't know yet what licenses, etc you'll need.

There is a basic rule of thumb when running your own business, or working for yourself: for every paid hour you work, you work one unpaid hour dealing with biz matters and work prep. If you allow for that, you'll be fine.

Anybody who can repair computers has the intelligence/understanding to set up a basic business. Look around you at the businesses that you know, many of which are run by complete idiots.

Good luck.

P.S. I highly recommend the book The E-Myth by Peter Gerber, "e" being entrepreneur. I think. Anyway, it will help you think like a businessperson, rather than a guy who fixes computers.


best advice i have seen for starting a small business.


 
Originally posted by: necine
I'm thinking of setting up a computer repair business. This would be a small run out of the house gig. I know the technical aspect of what I would have to do for small in home PC repair and networking. However, I'm not too sure about taxes and stuff like that. Should I even register a business name and put my name in the phone book? Should I just get business cards printed and start a website and hope the government doesn't notice?

Any ideas?

Wish you luck... worked for 3 of these startups for a few years back..
every single one was put outa business by CompUSSR and WorstBuy.. and PC manufactures warranties etc..
users just dont seem to want to trust small companies even with very good staff..
best time we ever had was during the Y2K panic.. then business was fairly good being that every service known to man was swamped beyond capacity and peeps wanted things done now.

 
Originally posted by: necine
I'm thinking of setting up a computer repair business. This would be a small run out of the house gig. I know the technical aspect of what I would have to do for small in home PC repair and networking. However, I'm not too sure about taxes and stuff like that. Should I even register a business name and put my name in the phone book? Should I just get business cards printed and start a website and hope the government doesn't notice?

Any ideas?

thats what i did. i made cards and handed them out. i just work on the side and charge very low rates compared to other repair businesses in the area. i advertise doing such things like spyware removal, virus removal, refreshing (pretty much formatting the HD and installing all the stuff they want on it again), defragging, etc. etc.

sometimes people will give me more than i asked. but with my low rates, i will have a lot of customers and with the quality work, they always come back, so its not a bad deal.
 
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: necine
I'm thinking of setting up a computer repair business. This would be a small run out of the house gig. I know the technical aspect of what I would have to do for small in home PC repair and networking. However, I'm not too sure about taxes and stuff like that. Should I even register a business name and put my name in the phone book? Should I just get business cards printed and start a website and hope the government doesn't notice?

Any ideas?

Wish you luck... worked for 3 of these startups for a few years back..
every single one was put outa business by CompUSSR and WorstBuy.. and PC manufactures warranties etc..
users just dont seem to want to trust small companies even with very good staff..
best time we ever had was during the Y2K panic.. then business was fairly good being that every service known to man was swamped beyond capacity and peeps wanted things done now.


yeap Y2K was great. I made so much fricken money it was insane. trouble is in 1999-2001 there was so many small business's trying to cash in it flooded the market. glad i sold out when i did.

heh i did a lot for business. one business was paying me $500 per machine to update the bios. sigh. ahh good times.

edit: i should say $500 per machine to make Y2K compatable. with desktops that was usually just updateing the bios.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: badmouse
I've started (and sold) many businesses. There are many places to find "how to start a business" information, such as www.sba.gov sba = small business administration. That's your tax dollars, might as well take advantage of it. Also check out SCORE, free advice, good place. In addition to a great web site, they give cheap (free?) classes in exactly what you are asking.

There are also a zillion books about Starting A Business For Dummies. Scan the table of contents, and see if there are any chapters that sound interesting. A lot of these books is fluff ("what color curtains should you put in your home office?") but there is some useful information.

Basically, if you make money, you need to file with the IRS. Don't start out thinking you can beat them, or slip under the radar, or whatever. If you're going to fix a few computers for friends and neighbors, then yeah, okay. But if you're serious about a business, do it right from the start.

The start, BTW, is when the money comes in. THAT's when you actually have a business. You want to have your books set up by then.

Basically, find an accountant you can talk to, and listen to him/her about setting up your accounts. You'll use something like Quickbooks, make sure you have an accountant who is cool with whatever program you use - then at the end of the quarter you just zip files and life is easy (JOKE). It gets more complicated the more money you make - but hey, you have more money to pay someone to come in and take care of the details.

Beware of an accountant who insists on an accounting package that costs thousands of dollars. Start small, work your way up. When you need complex depreciation software, for example, THEN is the time to worry about that.

You CAN start by putting your reciepts in a box and handing everything over to your accountant, but then you will be paying your expensive accountant a LOT of money to do something that you should be doing easily.

You can get liability insurance if you're not ready to incorporate and you're worried about liability.

The IRS, and your state tax people, are the ones who will give you the most trouble if you don't follow their rules, so get with the program from the start. (Actually, the WORST idiots are the unemployment insurance people, but you don't deal with them until you have a payroll.) Other things, such as licenses, etc, you can pretty much wait until somebody calls you on it - you don't know yet what licenses, etc you'll need.

There is a basic rule of thumb when running your own business, or working for yourself: for every paid hour you work, you work one unpaid hour dealing with biz matters and work prep. If you allow for that, you'll be fine.

Anybody who can repair computers has the intelligence/understanding to set up a basic business. Look around you at the businesses that you know, many of which are run by complete idiots.

Good luck.

P.S. I highly recommend the book The E-Myth by Peter Gerber, "e" being entrepreneur. I think. Anyway, it will help you think like a businessperson, rather than a guy who fixes computers.


best advice i have seen for starting a small business.

Indeed, I just learned a good bit from that post.

Like the OP, I too want to someday own a PC repair business, and I sort of do right now, though I'm doing it backwards.

I've been with a small local repair shop for about 3 1/2 years now. The owners are a bunch of great guys and their vision is to franchise the store. With my time invested already I have pretty much become their lead tech and have been as loyal as any employee can be (I've seen alot of "old timers" go lately because times got tough for a bit but I rode it out). I've learned SO much in the three years of being here it's not even funny. Not just on PC repair, but on customer relations (i.e., communication of pc issues and resolutions, handling of irate customers, which you WILL have, accounting practices, etc.).

I've become really good friends with the owners and they've encouraged my "business man" side that I didn't realize I even had. I now am a partner and run our first franchise store. My goal is to buy this store from them in the next couple of years and start looking at expanding with a few more of my own under their namesake.

I love PC repair, and always will, but I see this as more of an oppritunity to own a few stores myself, see that they're run right and make money that way. Then I can have more time for my family or other business ideas I want to give a try.

My point is, you may want to get in with someone like I have if you haven't already and learn. I view it almost as an apprenticeship in that I know the repair side, they're just helping build my business sense side.

Hope that helps.

*Not checking for spelling or grammatical errors, so bite me Nazi's.

 
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: necine
I'm thinking of setting up a computer repair business. This would be a small run out of the house gig. I know the technical aspect of what I would have to do for small in home PC repair and networking. However, I'm not too sure about taxes and stuff like that. Should I even register a business name and put my name in the phone book? Should I just get business cards printed and start a website and hope the government doesn't notice?

Any ideas?

Wish you luck... worked for 3 of these startups for a few years back..
every single one was put outa business by CompUSSR and WorstBuy.. and PC manufactures warranties etc..
users just dont seem to want to trust small companies even with very good staff..
best time we ever had was during the Y2K panic.. then business was fairly good being that every service known to man was swamped beyond capacity and peeps wanted things done now.

Yes and no to this. Compusa in our area is pretty much dead. And best buy customers......well, Best buy can have them. I should also mention that we have a large customer base that we have developed over 10 years. Most of these are contract customers now. Doctors, lawyers, small businesses that need an IT guy or department, but not enough to hire one full time. That's our niche, and about %50 of our customer base. The other is walk in customers or repeat customers.

There are periods of the year where things slow down a great deal, and you must prepare for that. don't view this as a steady source of income from month to month, it's more of a feast and famine type scenario. While you feast, you must prepare for famine, because work will dry up from time to time. Especially until you establish your customer base.



 
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