Computer fails to start. Please help.

ibex333

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It's an older PC which never gave me any problems before.

If it matters, specs are

e6300 Conroe
965P-DS3 Mobo
4Gb RAM
Antec Earthwatts PSU 450w

PC starts, fans spin up for about 2 sec, and then everything immediately dies. Then the PC again starts all by itself and dies again... This loop goes on and on forever and ever unless I shut it off with a power switch in the back. I'd say I am fairly experienced in general computer troubleshooting, but such issues on start-up always stump me.

I am assuming this is some sort of an electrical issue? But the PSU has always been rock solid and it's still fairly new.
 

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Unplug all peripherals (e.g. drives) that you can, to make sure there isn't a problem in one of them. Any bulging capacitors on your mobo?
 

Paperdoc

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Also check the connector from the CPU fan cooler to the mobo (assuming you have it plugged in there). Some mobo's monitor the CPU cooling fan speed and, even without waiting for the CPU to overheat, will shut the system down if they fail to receive a good fan speed signal from the CPU fan. A fan not turning obviously can trigger this. But also a simple poor connection that fails to send the CPU fan's speed signal back to the mobo can cause this type of failure.
 

ibex333

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Unplug all peripherals (e.g. drives) that you can, to make sure there isn't a problem in one of them. Any bulging capacitors on your mobo?

No, not at all. Everything looks like new.

I remember on the box this mobo advertized ultra durable caps.

Tried unplugging DVD drive and hard drives. Still no go.
 

ibex333

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Also check the connector from the CPU fan cooler to the mobo (assuming you have it plugged in there). Some mobo's monitor the CPU cooling fan speed and, even without waiting for the CPU to overheat, will shut the system down if they fail to receive a good fan speed signal from the CPU fan. A fan not turning obviously can trigger this. But also a simple poor connection that fails to send the CPU fan's speed signal back to the mobo can cause this type of failure.

Checked. The CPU fan connector sits very firmly. On start, CPU fan only jerks and doesn't spin, but I am not sure if that indicates anything because my main PC's CPU fan doesn't start spinning until few seconds into POST.

The case fan spins steadily until system shuts off.
 

krnmastersgt

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Has there been any recent change in the case environment? Something that could be leading to a short?

Also attempt to test the system with only 1 stick of ram in at a time and see if anything happens that way.
 

spinejam

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try to start it w/ no memory installed. any beeps?

try to start it w/ no videocard installed. any beeps?
 

Paperdoc

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Checked. The CPU fan connector sits very firmly. On start, CPU fan only jerks and doesn't spin, but I am not sure if that indicates anything because my main PC's CPU fan doesn't start spinning until few seconds into POST.

The case fan spins steadily until system shuts off.

This may be the root of your problem. You report that the CPU cooling fan does NOT start up at all, and then the system shuts down. The normal operation would be for it to start up at full speed within a second or two of power-on, and then slow down as the temp control loop begins to regulate according to the measured CPU temp. With NO fan operation, three possibilities occur:

1. The mobo is monitoring the CPU fan speed signal, sees no fan operation, and shuts down right away - that is within a few seconds. IF you have a PZO unit attached to the mobo it will send out an audible beeping alarm, but you won't hear that if you have no "beeper" unit.

2. The mobo does not have a system to shut down based solely on CPU cooling fan speed signal, but of course it does monitor the CPU internal temperature. With no CPU cooling fan, that temp will rise quickly to the alarm point and the system will shut down. Usually this takes 5 - 10 seconds,

3. You have set the options for the CPU fan control system in BIOS so that is does NOT monitor the fan speed. This becomes option 2 - it will still shut down based on actual CPU temperature.

So for whichever reason, your CPU cooling system is not working and needs repair. Check these:

1. Try to turn the fan gently with a finger or a pencil. If it is stiff or does not turn at all, you should replace the fan.
2. If it turns freely and glides gently to a stop, the bearings are OK. Try disconnecting the fan and connecting to it a source of 12 VDC, using the RED (+) and BLACK (-) wires of the fan (NOT the Yellow). Maybe a car battery, or some other simple source. Actually, any voltage over about 8 VDC will do to start it, but it takes the full 12 VDC to run at full speed. If the fan runs properly this way, its motor is OK.
3. Although the fan appears to be connected properly to the mobo, try disconnecting it there and re-connecting, several times. Sometimes with age the pins in this connector get coated with metal oxides that interfere with the connection, and this action will scrub them clean so it works again. Then try starting your machine to see if it works.

The other possibility, as others have suggested, is that I'm on the wrong track and the real cause is some other component that fails, quite possibility affecting the power supplied to the board, and it fails but retries for this reason. This could be a faulty PSU, a faulty portion of the voltage regulator circuits on the mobo, or an attached peripheral component that draws too much current from its supply lines.
 
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Try disconnecting your front panel wires and then turn it on with a screwdriver. Try to remove everything you can to get the thing to start up and stay on. Take the video card out too. It dont need that to run.
 

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This may be the root of your problem. You report that the CPU cooling fan does NOT start up at all, and then the system shuts down. The normal operation would be for it to start up at full speed within a second or two of power-on, and then slow down as the temp control loop begins to regulate according to the measured CPU temp.

That's not really true for all systems. A Nehalem or newer system (maybe back to Penryn, but I'm not sure) is capable of delaying the CPU fan startup until the CPU reaches a certain internal temperature. With a really massive heatsink, you can be sitting with no fan running until well after hitting the Windows desktop.

I'm not saying that this is how the OP's system is designed to operate, but I am saying that your statement isn't quite true in all cases.
 

ibex333

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That's not really true for all systems. A Nehalem or newer system (maybe back to Penryn, but I'm not sure) is capable of delaying the CPU fan startup until the CPU reaches a certain internal temperature. With a really massive heatsink, you can be sitting with no fan running until well after hitting the Windows desktop.

I'm not saying that this is how the OP's system is designed to operate, but I am saying that your statement isn't quite true in all cases.

That's exactly the case on my Sandy Bridge PC. I was actually scared the 1st time I saw this, but after I realized that my PC works and has been working nearly a year now, I see no cause for concern.

A very important thing I failed to mention right from the start is that the problem started after I tried booting this PC with a video card I bought from ebay. The card looks like it has a bulged capacitor with some electrolyte leakage on top at the seams. Obviously it's going back, but...

Can a bad video card destroy a computer like that?
 
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A very important thing I failed to mention right from the start is that the problem started after I tried booting this PC with a video card I bought from ebay. The card looks like it has a bulged capacitor with some electrolyte leakage on top at the seams. Obviously it's going back, but...

Can a bad video card destroy a computer like that?

Are you saying the computer didn't work even after you replaced that ebay video card with a different one? That would indicate damage to the motherboard, possibly in its PCI-E slot voltage regulator.
 

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A very important thing I failed to mention right from the start is that the problem started after I tried booting this PC with a video card I bought from ebay. The card looks like it has a bulged capacitor with some electrolyte leakage on top at the seams. Obviously it's going back, but...

Can a bad video card destroy a computer like that?

Most definitely. If the card had a fault where it shorted power to ground on the PCIe slot, you could have definitely damaged the motherboard.
 

ibex333

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Are you saying the computer didn't work even after you replaced that ebay video card with a different one? That would indicate damage to the motherboard, possibly in its PCI-E slot voltage regulator.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. I took out the card it had to try the ebay card and when it didn't boot I put he old card back in. PC doesn't boot anymore...


Damnit... This really sucks. I thought all mobos they been making for a while now have some sort of protection against these things? I am really glad I didn't try this card in my main PC. I was going to do that!
 

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I don't think I would have bought a used card off eBay to begin with personally, unless it was from some very large re-seller/company so that in the event of what just happened to happened to me, I could at least get compensation for the damages.