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Compatibility HELP with P4 2.4 GHZ 800 FSB

mustard010

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Hello, I need serious help on create this P4 PC. . . Below are the specs that I am planning to buy:

Intel Pentium 4 / 2.4GHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz
Intel® Desktop Board D865PERL
512MB PC3200 (3-3-3),400MHz DDR NonECC CL3,KVR400X64C3A/512
GeForce FX 5600 256MB DDR Video Card & DVI Geforce FX5600 256MB DDR
WD400BB 40.0gb EIDE 3.5 LP 7200rpm
WD400BB 40.0gb EIDE 3.5 LP 7200rpm
HP F70 17" LCD, Integrated Polk Audio Speakers, Refurbished
Intel 10/100 LAN CARD
Logitech Z-540 40 Watt 5-Piece 4.1 Surround Sound PC Speakers
Artec CDRW 52x24x52x
CD-RW & DVD COMBO 8X/4X/32X/8X SM308 Beige

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/D865PERL/rl_matrix.htm is the link to the motherboard. . .

Now, my questions are:

The Nvidia FX 5600 . . . will this be compatible with the mobo even though it already has graphics? Is there a way to disable the mobo installed graphics in BIOS or something?

Also I am planning to buy a Sound Blaster Audio Live sound card, and the mobo already has audio in it, . . . and like the vid card, is there anyway I can disable it?

Plus, what kind of case should I get, in terms of Power Supply? 400 should do?

Thanks alot for your help guys
 

wicktron

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Yes, you may disable those onboard components. Any ATX case should work, as well as any established brand-name PSU.
Good Luck.
 

fredtam

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Why the Intel motherboard?
And why the GF FX5600?
Yes you can disable the onboard video. I would suggest disabling it by buying an Abit IS7 instead.
I would also go with an 9600Pro.
As far as cases/powersupply I use a chieftec full tower and an Antec 430 and would highly recommend both.
 

fredtam

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Also unless you just have to have two hard drives I would suggest getting a Seagate 120GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive. It will be faster, quiet, and will have more space.

How much are you paying for the LCD.
I would also check into better drives.
 

mustard010

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orion7144: I chose the Intel motherboard because I couldn't scavenge any other P4 2.4 800FSB motherboard w/ compatible features.

mechBgon: I chose the Geforce FX, because I'm kind of a fan. Although all the video card's in my house are Nvidia based, I guess I can try ATI Radeon 9600? Is this more powerful then the current Geforce FX 5600?

fredtam: Can you point me out on where I could get a Abit IS7? This is a motherboard right? =D Also, I am paying for the LCD for $324.95 . . . is this a good deal?

And the two harddrives. . . I was thinking of having one for linux and one for win XP. . . or should I just partition one big harddrive for both OS?

Better drives. . . hrrm? Like what kind of?

So correct me if I'm wrong. . . these are the new specs?

Intel Pentium 4 / 2.4GHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz
{Intel® Desktop Board D865PERL} ABIT IS7 MOBO
512MB PC3200 (3-3-3),400MHz DDR NonECC CL3,KVR400X64C3A/512
{GeForce FX 5600 256MB DDR Video Card & DVI Geforce FX5600 256MB DDR} ATI 9600 RADEON
WD400BB 40.0gb EIDE 3.5 LP 7200rpm
WD400BB 40.0gb EIDE 3.5 LP 7200rpm
HP F70 17" LCD, Integrated Polk Audio Speakers, Refurbished
Intel 10/100 LAN CARD
Logitech Z-540 40 Watt 5-Piece 4.1 Surround Sound PC Speakers
Artec CDRW 52x24x52x
CD-RW & DVD COMBO 8X/4X/32X/8X SM308 Beige

And correct me if I'm wrong? I looked at pricewatch for the ABIT IS7 Mobo. . . 88$ ? is this true?

I'm a power user, and I am just asking if all these are compatible + delivers nice performance....

So bottom line, these parts are compatible, and I can disable the onboard sound/video whenever I want to correct?

Thanks for the quick replies guys!
 

orion7144

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Originally posted by: mustard010
orion7144: I chose the Intel motherboard because I couldn't scavenge any other P4 2.4 800FSB motherboard w/ compatible features.

mechBgon: I chose the Geforce FX, because I'm kind of a fan. Although all the video card's in my house are Nvidia based, I guess I can try ATI Radeon 9600? Is this more powerful then the current Geforce FX 5600?

fredtam: Can you point me out on where I could get a Abit IS7? This is a motherboard right? =D Also, I am paying for the LCD for $324.95 . . . is this a good deal?

And the two harddrives. . . I was thinking of having one for linux and one for win XP. . . or should I just partition one big harddrive for both OS?

Better drives. . . hrrm? Like what kind of?

So correct me if I'm wrong. . . these are the new specs?

Intel Pentium 4 / 2.4GHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz
{Intel® Desktop Board D865PERL} ABIT IS7 MOBO
512MB PC3200 (3-3-3),400MHz DDR NonECC CL3,KVR400X64C3A/512
{GeForce FX 5600 256MB DDR Video Card & DVI Geforce FX5600 256MB DDR} ATI 9600 RADEON
WD400BB 40.0gb EIDE 3.5 LP 7200rpm
WD400BB 40.0gb EIDE 3.5 LP 7200rpm
HP F70 17" LCD, Integrated Polk Audio Speakers, Refurbished
Intel 10/100 LAN CARD
Logitech Z-540 40 Watt 5-Piece 4.1 Surround Sound PC Speakers
Artec CDRW 52x24x52x
CD-RW & DVD COMBO 8X/4X/32X/8X SM308 Beige

And correct me if I'm wrong? I looked at pricewatch for the ABIT IS7 Mobo. . . 88$ ? is this true?

I'm a power user, and I am just asking if all these are compatible + delivers nice performance....

So bottom line, these parts are compatible, and I can disable the onboard sound/video whenever I want to correct?

Thanks for the quick replies guys!
Yes the IS7 can be had cheap and it also will probably come with the 3Com gigabyte lan instead of the 10/100. I would however recommend that you buy the board from GoogleGear (Don't remember the new name) or Newegg. It is probably $10 more but with free shipping and good customer support. Not to mention with Newegg you may be able to get a free gift like a Hat or t-shirt.

 

fredtam

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The IS7 will outperform the Intel MB. In fact it will outperform almost any board. Its cheaper and has 10/100 LAN onboard.

The 9600 pro is about the same/better than the 5600 in todays games but looks to be more promising in future DX9 game.

You may want to investigate (search forums) on the linux/windows dual boot thing. I think I would still get the seagate drive and get a cheap drive to house whatever my least used OS was.

On the LCD. If you game at all do not waste your money on that monitor. This is coming from a diehard LCD fan but if you cannot shell out the change for a good one get a nice crt instead. You will be much happiier. If however you can wait for DEll to have another hot deal you may be able to get a good one for around that price or a little more.
 

FPSguy

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orion7144 and fredtam are giving you good advice. I have a P4 2.4C with an IS7. It's awesome.

I suggest some better memory, too. It looks like you are going for some form of Kingston ValueRAM. Get some OCZ PC4200 memory or maybe some GEIL PC4200. orion7144 seems to know better than I do what kind of memory works best with this motherboard (I think he likes the OCZ stuff). Believe me, you won't regret getting good RAM. It will make a lot of difference in the final stable speed you get out of this motherboard.

Finally, go with a quality power supply. I didn't, and am paying the price now in stability with high overclocks.

Note to orion7144: I still haven't ironed out the memory / power supply issues. I didn't have time to test the fastest stable 1:1 memory setting this weekend. I have concluded that I am pretty happy with the speed at 3GHz, though, and probably won't spring for a better power supply just to get another 200 MHz or so out of the chip.
 

sao123

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MY recommended system would be like....

ASUS P4P800 Delux (onboard GB ethernet)
P4 2.4C CPU
512MB or 1GB PC 3200 DDR (400Mhz) spring for the CAS 2 if you got enough cash.
2x WD Raptor 36.0 GB 10000RPMs in a SATA RAID 0 config.
Forget the Gforce 5600...Save 50$... get a Geforce 4 TI-4800. (8x agp equivolent to the 128MB TI 4600). you wont
miss the extra 128MB and DX9 stuff.

If your less experienced with linux, get a copy of VMware and run Linux on top of your Windows XP. Less likely to hurt anything in the virtual environment while trying out linux.


definately go with googlegear.com and get free shipping
 

mustard010

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Alright thanks for your help guys, and I can remove the audio/video in BIOS with that board:

So correct me if I'm wrong ALL OF THIS SPECS ARE compatible:

Intel Pentium 4 / 2.4GHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz
ABIT IS7 MOBO
512MB OC RAM
ATI 9600 RADEON or Nvidia Geforce TI 4800
SeaGate 120 GB
HP F70 17" LCD, Integrated Polk Audio Speakers, Refurbished
Logitech Z-540 40 Watt 5-Piece 4.1 Surround Sound PC Speakers
Artec CDRW 52x24x52x
CD-RW & DVD COMBO 8X/4X/32X/8X SM308 Beige

So, I'm still not convinced with the video card. . . so I'm gonna live it with votes:

Ati 9600, or Nvidia Geforce TI 4800 ?
 

mustard010

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Btw, I forgot to reply, what kind of case will do?

ATX 450 WATT's good enough for this sytem?

And the memory, what compatible chips are with this motherboard? DDR400 PC3200 good?
 

sao123

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Even if you go with the abit IS7, I would still go with 2 SATA drives in RAID zero.
IDE performance is your biggest bottleneck. Current speed is (EIDE)ATA 100-133.
SATA is 150MB /sec. But 2 SATA drives in RAID 0 can deliver up to 300MB /sec in HDD transfer.
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: sao123
Even if you go with the abit IS7, I would still go with 2 SATA drives in RAID zero.
IDE performance is your biggest bottleneck. Current speed is (EIDE)ATA 100-133.
SATA is 150MB /sec. But 2 SATA drives in RAID 0 can deliver up to 300MB /sec in HDD transfer.
^Not true about sata/raid. You won't get anywhere near 150Mb/s. Not even half that much less 300Mb/s. Will it be faster than one drive - yes, but not that much faster.

Anyway any decent 350W PSU would be more than enough to power that system. I would reccomend an Antec 430. As far as the case it depends on what you like. I use a Chieftec full tower (link to pics in sig) because I like the room. You could get a smaller Antec sonata and it comes with a 380W PSU. I don't know what your budget is.

For memory I would suggest crucial or buffalo if your on a budget and HyperX or Corsair if your not.
As far as speed 3200 if your not overclocking and 3500+ if you are.
 

FPSguy

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Get good memory. Either this OCZ memory or maybe this memory from Geil.

Get an Antec or Fortron power supply with something over 400 watts. Don't just take the power supply that comes with your case, unless it's an Antec case with an Antec 400 watt or greater power supply.

I wouldn't recommend a Ti4800 or a Ti4200. That's old technology. If you are building a new system get a DirectX 9 card -- which means a Radeon. Look at this AnandTech article. It will convince you. Get a Radeon 9500 Pro or 9600 Pro (or a 9800 Pro or 9700 Pro if you have money to blow).
 

orion7144

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As far as the case goes, Newegg usually has very good deals on the Chieftec cases. These cases along with numerous others, including Antec are all made at the same place. You can get one w/o pwr supply and order an Antec PSU seperately.

Yes, I am a true believer of the OCZ memory.

As far as the SATA WD Raptors, they are the best investment I have made for my system. Going from ~30min for WinXP Pro to instal to under 10min is one heck of an improvement. Not to mention that disk access and xfers are much improved. And I used to use two WD 120gig JB series HD in raid 0 as well. The people that say otherwise either have not tried it or are die hard SCSI fans.
 

fredtam

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I would have suggested the raptor but his current build seems to be on a budget and the 1 seagate drive would give him great performance without the extra cost.
 

sao123

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Not true about sata/raid. You won't get anywhere near 150Mb/s. Not even half that much less 300Mb/s. Will it be faster than one drive - yes, but not that much faster.
Ok, ok . so the bandwidth speed of SATA is theoretical, and only reachable under peak throughput transfer loads.

But its undeniable that the speed of 2 SATA's in a RAID 0 will crush a single ATA 100 Drive in speed under any circumstances.



I would have suggested the raptor but his current build seems to be on a budget and the 1 seagate drive would give him great performance without the extra cost.
One more thing to consider... although they run for approx the same price ($110)
The Seagate 120GB Drive (and all other seagate drives) only has a 1 year MFR warranty.
The 36.0 GB WD Raptor drive comes with a full (totally unheard of) 5yr MFR warranty period.
 

orion7144

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Originally posted by: sao123
Not true about sata/raid. You won't get anywhere near 150Mb/s. Not even half that much less 300Mb/s. Will it be faster than one drive - yes, but not that much faster.
Ok, ok . so the bandwidth speed of SATA is theoretical, and only reachable under peak throughput transfer loads.

But its undeniable that the speed of 2 SATA's in a RAID 0 will crush a single ATA 100 Drive in speed under any circumstances.



I would have suggested the raptor but his current build seems to be on a budget and the 1 seagate drive would give him great performance without the extra cost.
One more thing to consider... although they run for approx the same price ($110)
The Seagate 120GB Drive (and all other seagate drives) only has a 1 year MFR warranty.
The 36.0 GB WD Raptor drive comes with a full (totally unheard of) 5yr MFR warranty period./q]

That is true and they are supposed to have the 73meg (I think that is what size they are) versions out here soon.
 

FPSguy

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My two cents on RAID 0: It is faster, but you need to understand that you double (or more) your risk of losing data. The data is spread across both hard drives and if you lose one hard drive it will be very difficult to recover your data -- more difficult than in a non-RAID 0 configuration (which is why I say your odds of data loss may be more than double). If you tinker with your computer a lot and cause things to stop working now and then, RAID 0 will add to your anxiety level unless you backup regularly or do RAID 0 + 1 or something.

All of that said, I am running RAID 0 and loving it. However, I was pretty annoyed when one of the hard drives stopped working, until I figured out what I had done that caused the problem. :eek:
 

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