Comparing memory and hd's, anyone got links?

firehawk68

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I'm looking for tests where they compare ddr memory with p133 memory, and tests where they compare 5400 and 7200 harddrives so one can tell how much it differs, anyone got links? either here, or on tomshardware or firing squade or whereever.. i cant find any, any whenever i ask people give different answes so it doesnt help at all..
thanks.
 

dullard

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Sorry for the terrible answers you have been given. So often people (like forcesho) give a link to a difficult to navigate website and no explanation. I went to StorageReview and picked a random drives: WD Caviar 20.5 GB ATA-66. There are two versions of this drive: 5400 rpm and 7200 rpm.


Here are the light load results (workstation test):
Drive...I/O per sec...MB per sec...average I/O time
5400....97.85.........0.76.........163.48 millisec
7200....102.06........0.80.........156.76 millisec

Obviously the 7200 is better under light loads.

Now for heavy loads (workstation test):
Drive...I/O per sec...MB per sec...average I/O time
5400....120.90........0.94.........2078.36 millisec
7200....122.97........0.96.........2114.26 millisec

The drives are much closer, but the 7200 is still faster. The 7200 accesses the files faster and it transfers more data in a given time after the file has been acessed.


Now, what does this mean in real life? The answer will vary from person to person. If you use programs that constantly access the HD, the 7200 will be a good choice. It is roughly 5% faster so all HD intensive programs will be roughly 5% faster. Now if you use programs like Word or Excel that rarely use the HD, you will see no difference in speeds. Thus no one can directly answer your questions.

As for memory the same thing applies. A memory intensive program will be faster with DDR, non-memory intensive programs will be the same speed. Without knowing exactly what you run, we cannot answer your questions.
 

dullard

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Firehawk68, I just saw your other post and you lumped two different concepts into one question. I will try to sort them out:

Each program has a different bottleneck - the program runs at the speed of the slowest computer part. Some programs such as video editing requires LOTS of HD use. These editing programs will run as fast as the drives can operate (CPU speed, memory speed, and video card speed will not play a big role in the speed of the video editing program). Many 3D games are video card intensive: they will run at the speed of the video card regardless of the speed of your memory, HD, or CPU. Other programs have memory speed bottlenecks, and yet others will have a CPU bottleneck.

Concept 1) DDR SDRAM is faster than SDRAM by roughly 10% (although it will vary with different motherboards). IF you run programs that are memory intensive, a DDR machine will be roughly 10% faster. IF you run programs that require intensive HD use or intensive video card use, you will not see a difference in speed.

Concept 2) If a program requires more memory than you have, it will use the HD as memory. A HD is about 1000 times slower than memory. Thus you will drastically slow the program if it runs out of memory.

Your question of 512 MB SDRAM vs 256 MB DDR depends on the programs you use. Very few programs need more than 256 MB, thus the extra memory with 512 MB SDRAM will go unused. If this is your situation, get the 256 MB of DDR since it will run 10% faster on many programs. IF you use programs that need more than 256 MB, DEFINATELY get the 512 MB SDRAM. This is since it will constantly access the HD with only 256 MB.

For the vast majority of people 256 MB of DDR will be better. Only if you really need more than 256 MB then I would settle for 512 MB of SDRAM (of course 512 MB of DDR is the best solution in this case).
 

firehawk68

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thanks for the answers!
if i would buy a 7200 instead of a 5400 that would cost me about $25-30 more, i'm not sure it's worth it if i only get about 5% better speed. or for that $25-30 i could get a 60gb drive instead of a 40gb drive, and i'm sure i will have need for an extra 20gb... i need to think this over.

as for RAM memory these are the prices available to me in europe from the store where im buying:

PC133: 256Mb NCP original about $40
DDR: 256 Mb NCP PC266 about $75

so if i would get a 5400 40gb drive and pc133 256mb i would save about $50-55 that i could put on something else (for instance i could get a athlon xp 1700+ instead of a 1500+ not that i know if that would be a good deal)

but then, maybe going with a 7200 and ddr memory might be worth the extra 50-55 bucks in terms of overall performance of my system... i dont know.

the gear im considering buying

MD: ECS K7S5A DDR LAN
256mb either ddr or pc133
athlon 1500+
Daytona 64Mb GeForce2 Titanium DDR-TV
5400 or 7400 fujitsu silent drive
Athlon 1.4G ElanVital Low Noise
MidiTower 300watt