Company of Heroes 2 CPU & GPU Performance

[RussianSensation]

- It seems the highest quality AA might to be using some form of SSAA as the performance hit is massive

GPU Benchmarks

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Xbitlabs

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GPU VRAM Usage

CPU Benchmarks

- Decent CPU threading -- i7 @ 2.5ghz with HT is faster than a hypothetical 3-core i5 @ 3.5ghz

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Goes to show how important game specific driver optimizations are for each brand's graphics cards when the GTX780 is slower than HD7970GE.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Goes to show how important game specific driver optimizations are for each brand's graphics cards when the GTX780 is slower than HD7970GE.

Interesting comment from you.

Has Nvidia optimized their drivers yet?

Did you noticed the Titan score matched the highest score they got with their i7, and it was still scaling?

 

[toyota]

I dont think disabling cores is really the same thing as having a cpu with the same number of actual cores. there are games where if I disable 2 cores they will not even play properly yet much slower true dual cores cpus can play the game normally. heck in Crysis 3, even disabling 1 core of my oced 2500k will make the game stutter too much even on all low settings. and thats even with a high enough frame rate so disabling cores does something wonky in some games. a modest Core 2 duo is supposedly all that is required to play the game on low settings.

 

[RussianSensation]

Interesting comment from you.

Has Nvidia optimized their drivers yet?

I never said this is the best NV can do. My point is look at how much drivers matter for a game when AMD/NV have early access. HD7970GE is 25% faster than 770 because of AMD's direct involvement with the developer early on.

NV was doing this very thing for the last decade with TWIMTPB program and now when both AMD and NV are engaged in the same strategy, we are starting to huge differences in performance in many games. You now really have to go out and look at the games you want to play when buying a GPU. Look at Hitman Absolution for instance where a stock 7970GE is beating a GTX680 by 21%.

I wonder how things would have turned out if AMD was working closer with developers starting with HD4870 series. Also, I foresee more segregation in performance between NV and AMD GPUs as AMD and NV both continue to court developers and fight this developer war with each other. Granted, NV has faster GPUs right now which relieves some pressure for them to optimize as much. If NV and AMD have equal parts, it might become a lot more normal when NV is 20-25% faster and in other games AMD is. That's not a great development for us PC gamers unless we outright buy the fastest GPU.

a modest Core 2 duo is supposedly all that is required to play the game on low settings.

We'll have to see what GameGPU gets in their CPU testing. The era of dual- and tri-cores is coming to end quickly.

 

[Termie]

- It seems the highest quality AA might to be using some form of SSAA as the performance hit is massive
- Decent CPU threading -- i7 @ 2.5ghz with HT is faster than a hypothetical 3-core i5 @ 3.5ghz

I think you're reading that wrong. Look at the 3.5 numbers compared - they are the same with and without HT. The difference is the "2K, 3K, 4K" stuff. What is that? Are they emulating various built-in Intel graphics chips?

 

[RussianSensation]

Updated the thread with Xbitlabs benchmarks.

I think you're reading that wrong. Look at the 3.5 numbers compared - they are the same with and without HT. The difference is the "2K, 3K, 4K" stuff. What is that? Are they emulating various built-in Intel graphics chips?

Per the article:

"Company of Heroes 2 prompts an obvious a fast processor - and this refers to the number of cores and clock. Its power rises at the same clock by 60 percent if two cores instead of four which are available. Contrast, activated hyperthreading brings nothing or decrease the speed by as much as two percent."

If you look at 3770K @ 3,5 GHz + 4K vs. 3770K @ 3,5 GHz + 2K, the performance increases 60% by doubling the number of cores. There is a small decrease with HT in the game. This is why a 2.5ghz quad-core CPU has no problem beating their 3.5ghz tri-core simulated version.

 

[Termie]

Updated the thread with Xbitlabs benchmarks.



Per the article:

"Company of Heroes 2 prompts an obvious a fast processor - and this refers to the number of cores and clock. Its power rises at the same clock by 60 percent if two cores instead of four which are available. Contrast, activated hyperthreading brings nothing or decrease the speed by as much as two percent."

If you look at 3770K @ 3,5 GHz + 4K vs. 3770K @ 3,5 GHz + 2K, the performance increases 60% by doubling the number of cores. There is a small decrease with HT in the game. This is why a 2.5ghz quad-core CPU has no problem beating their 3.5ghz tri-core simulated version.

OK, but your OP implies that the HT on the 2.5GHz processor was helping. That's not what mattered, it's that they ran 4 real cores, versus 3 real cores in the comparison chip you selected.

 

[Face2Face]

The Xbitlabs review is definitely interesting. The 7950 overclocked is making a good showing @ 1080P. I would like to see the GTX 7 series cards with a more aggressive overclock though. The 7950 IMO is showing it's "AVG" overclock where as the GTX 770 and GTX 760 seems a bit below "AVG" on their overclock.

 

[RussianSensation]

OK, but your OP implies that the HT on the 2.5GHz processor was helping. That's not what mattered, it's that they ran 4 real cores, versus 3 real cores in the comparison chip you selected.

Sorry, didn't mean to confuse. I said i7 quad-core + HT was faster than a tri-core. Might as well say that in this game a 2.5ghz quad > 3.5ghz tri-core, regardless of HT. They didn't show benches of 2.5ghz quad without HT though.

 

[Grooveriding]

The game does not support multi-gpu, so the best single card performance is all that matters for this title.

 

[RussianSensation]

The Xbitlabs review is definitely interesting. The 7950 overclocked is making a good showing @ 1080P. I would like to see the GTX 7 series cards with a more aggressive overclock though. The 7950 IMO is showing it's "AVG" overclock where as the GTX 770 and GTX 760 seems a bit below "AVG" on their overclock.

770 isn't overclocked. Don't let that low core number mislead you to think it's a low overclock on the 760. The 760's boost in their review is at 1241mhz. AMD's optimizations for this game are kicking in. HD7950 overclocked is beating GTX760 overclocked by 44% at 1080P 4AA at Xbitlabs.

 

[Spjut]

Another CPU benchmark from PCgameshardware.de
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Compa...4/Tests/Company-of-Heroes-2-CPU-Test-1076123/

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Dat haswell baby

 

[Face2Face]

770 isn't overclocked. Don't let that low core number mislead you to think it's a low overclock on the 760. The 760's boost in their review is at 1241mhz. AMD's optimizations for this game are kicking in. HD7950 overclocked is beating GTX760 overclocked by 44% at 1080P 4AA at Xbitlabs.

I missed that 1241Mhz seems to be a pretty good OC for a GTX 760. Are we seeing that boost clock for the GTX 760 in all of the games reviewed?

Dat haswell baby

Not seeing a huge difference on the i5 front. Add 200Mhz for the 4670K and you should be close to 70FPS. I expect the 2600K - 3770K and 4770K will be about the same?

 

[RussianSensation]

Another CPU benchmark from PCgameshardware.de
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Compa...4/Tests/Company-of-Heroes-2-CPU-Test-1076123/

Thanks! updated.

 

[TheUnk]

The game does not support multi-gpu, so the best single card performance is all that matters for this title.

That's stupid

 

[moonbogg]

So is this game any good then? Seems no single card can max it, so not like that part matters really since we'll all be playing on lower settings anyway.

 

[RussianSensation]

Updated with GameGPU benchmarks.

Moonboog, it's not as good as ground-breaking as the original but the reviews are pretty good for it:
http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/669914-company-of-heroes-2/index.html

 

[DarkKnightDude]

The game is pretty good itself (Except for the hilariously bad UI), I don't go with the benchmarks, because it says I only get 40 FPS maxed, and I've played like 7 campaign missions and haven't seen my FPS go below 60 yet.

 

[escrow4]

Why no hexa core from pcgameshardware? *grumble*

I have no interest in RTS's, but with these charts and recent FPS's, I'm sticking in an IVB-E to replace my 3930K and not bothering with Haswell-E. No real need gaming wise. Plus I'll save a bundle by not having to buy a new mobo and DDR4.

 

[Silverforce11]

The difference is because people are used to the original CoH focus on fewer but higher quality troops to control.. but this game is about the Eastern front, and that was a zerg fest, heaps of infantry to overwhelm. So the game is spot on for gameplay for that theatre.

 

[raghu78]

I never said this is the best NV can do. My point is look at how much drivers matter for a game when AMD/NV have early access. HD7970GE is 25% faster than 770 because of AMD's direct involvement with the developer early on.

NV was doing this very thing for the last decade with TWIMTPB program and now when both AMD and NV are engaged in the same strategy, we are starting to huge differences in performance in many games. You now really have to go out and look at the games you want to play when buying a GPU. Look at Hitman Absolution for instance where a stock 7970GE is beating a GTX680 by 21%.

I wonder how things would have turned out if AMD was working closer with developers starting with HD4870 series. Also, I foresee more segregation in performance between NV and AMD GPUs as AMD and NV both continue to court developers and fight this developer war with each other. Granted, NV has faster GPUs right now which relieves some pressure for them to optimize as much. If NV and AMD have equal parts, it might become a lot more normal when NV is 20-25% faster and in other games AMD is. That's not a great development for us PC gamers unless we outright buy the fastest GPU.

We'll have to see what GameGPU gets in their CPU testing. The era of dual- and tri-cores is coming to end quickly.

i completely agree. AMD's aggressive efforts with GAMING EVOLVED means more games will perform very well on launch day with AMD cards. In the last 12 - 18 months AMD GE titles outnumber Nvidia TWIMTBP titles and many like Tombraider, Hitman, Sleeping Dogs, Dirt Showdown are significantly faster on AMD cards.

http://wccftech.com/amd-never-settl...admap-leaked-battlefield-4-watch-dogs-gird-2/

looks like this leaked GE roadmap seems to be coming true.

 

[RussianSensation]

In the last 12 - 18 months AMD GE titles outnumber Nvidia TWIMTBP titles and many like Tombraider, Hitman, Sleeping Dogs, Dirt Showdown are significantly faster on AMD cards.

In Grid 2, TR and Sleeping Dogs, NV has been unable to make up the difference in performance. 7970GE absolutely crushes the 680 in those 3 games and is very close to the $650 780. Now COH2 is a 4th such game where NV has to use a $650 card to compete against AMD's $350 card. If AMD has hardware faster than NV, combined with GE involvement, NV would be in trouble. It's an interesting approach that AMD believes optimizations on the software side are better bank for the buck than making faster GPU hardware. I feel that NV will get more aggressive soon on the developer relations.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

In I feel that NV will get more aggressive soon on the developer relations.

There aren't that many publishers left that haven't come out and said they are part of gaming evolved now.

EA, Ubisoft(I think), Squeenix, and a few others.

I know Nvidia will be fine, but it may be a rough console generation for them if these GE titles where AMD's cards perform so well are any indication of the optimization we will see for the Xbone and PS4.

The GCN architecture still seems to me like AMD's driver team and developers haven't quite tapped it's full potential.

 

[hawtdawg]

What is a GTX Titanium?