Comp crashes when I play WoW sometimes

[SylEm]

Here's the error Signature I'm getting:

BCCode : 1000000a BCP1 : 00004804 BCP2 : 00000002 BCP3 : 00000001
BCP4 : 806E4AE5 OSVer : 5_1_2600 SP : 2_0 Product : 256_1

The technical info for the error report is:

C:\DOCUME~1\SylEm\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER4ab8.dir00\Mini111607-01.dmp
C:\DOCUME~1\SylEm\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER4ab8.dir00\sysdata.xml


Now this usually occurs when i'm playing World of Warcraft and have some background programs (Like Itunes, or Firefox) going on at the same time. It didn't used to do it, but its been somewhat consistant for about a month now. Anyone know why or what I can do about this?

 

[Ausm]

My system does this as well. I am thinking it has something to do with a poorly written add on.

Ausm

 

[robisbell]

or a under 550 watt psu struggling to run all the hardware.

 

[Cerberuuus]

Originally posted by: robisbell
or a under 550 watt psu struggling to run all the hardware.

With all the respect, come on... There are many generic PSUs running in mid-end pcs aswell. His is kind of old already but it won't consume 550watts of power :Q

BTW, I used to have this, for more pathetic that it sounds, when I used a Cable Modem in USB Port. Well, since you are playing a MMORPG... This can be your salvation. Then I had to bought a ethernet card and stop using USB port for the USB Cable Modem and it stopped reseting (it used to show these same message with .dmp and sysdata. Not even formatting resolved the issue as it was something to do with that thing. If this does not work aswell then you can try a simple drive update).

 

[oynaz]

Originally posted by: robisbell
or a under 550 watt psu struggling to run all the hardware.

@ Robisbell:
Please stop your misguided crusade against perfectly adequate PSUs. This is getting ridiculous.

@ SylEm:
This sounds like a RAM problem. Try running Memtest86.
Cerberuuus' suggestion sounds plausible as well.

 

[robisbell]

I know it needs more power than what the current PSU can provide.

 

[Fardringle]

Originally posted by: robisbell
I know it needs more power than what the current PSU can provide.

Actually, the system as listed in SylEm's signature has a MAXIMUM power draw of 257 watts (that's everything running at maximum peak utilization at the same time). Add roughly 5 watts per cooling fan and 10-15 per PCI card not listed to get the total power needed for the system. Assuming that there are a half dozen fans and a PCI card (sound card?) in the system you have a total max draw of 282 watts, which is still well within the rated efficiency of the Seasonic 400W Super Tornado at 320 watts (80% efficiency rating).

In other words, unless the power supply is failing then it is perfectly adequate for SylEm's computer.

 

[robisbell]

far, care to back up that all that hardware only uses 257watts, last time I had a system near those specs they used more than a paltry 260 watts, I mean what do you think they are running, a Pentium 2??!! nice assuming about what is or is not in the system and what it does or does not need power wise.

 

[Fardringle]

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (Winchester) ---- 60 watts (at 100% utilization)
MSI "K8N Neo4 Platinum" NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra Chipset --- 46 watts (assuming all onboard components are in use)
4GB DDR (400) PC-3200 Patriot Extreme Performance (Dual-Channel) --- 12 watts (6 each)
Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB --- 25 watts
Seagate 160GB Barracuda --- 18 watts (I assume both drives are SATA)
PLEXTOR Black SATA DVD Burner Model PX-716SA/SW --- 26 watts (plus or minus a couple depending on whether it's reading or writing)
Sapphire Radeon X850 XT PCI Express --- 64 watts (at 100% utilization)


60+46+12+25+18+26+64= 251 total peak power draw (typo in my last post said 257)

edit - Add in the numbers for any unlisted components (15 for PCI cards and 4 per fan) to get the total power needs.

 

[robisbell]

okay, nice estimates, never seen a 64bit run that low under full load, nor any of the other components, you're saying a system like that uses less power than a Pentium 2 under no load.

 

[Fardringle]

Those aren't estimates. They are actual peak power usage numbers for the listed components. It can vary by a few watts in either direction of course, but rarely by more than a few points.


And no, I'm not saying that this system uses less power than a Pentium 2 machine. The original Pentium 2 (.35 mm Klamath core) used 32 Watts and the newer model (.25 mm Deschutes) only drew 14 watts at 300Mhz.

A P2 (Deschutes) 300Mhz machine with a single 5200RPM hard drive, two SDRAM memory sticks, a CD drive, a PCI sound card, and a PCI NIC or Modem would have a total peak power draw of 93 watts. I don't have numbers for video cards of that time period but being extremely generous and giving it 25 watts (the power draw of most 32MB PCI cards) gives a total of 118 Watts. This is totally irrelevant to the current discussion of course, but since you asked...

 

[dclive]

This endless "you need a bigger PSU" argument is for the birds.

Here's AT's review:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 (3.00GHz/1333MHz)
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 (3.00GHz/1333MHz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 (Intel X38)
Chipset: Intel X38
Chipset Drivers: Intel 8.1.1.1010 (Intel)
Hard Disk: Seagate 7200.9 300GB SATA
Memory: Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 (1GB x 2)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX
Video Drivers: NVIDIA ForceWare 163.75
Desktop Resolution: 1600 x 1200
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit

That ^ system needs 216W under load. The prior generation (6850) required 263W under load.

(http://anandtech.com/cpuchipse...owdoc.aspx?i=3137&p=6)

A simpler system (ie non-quad, lower then 3.0 ghz) will take less power.

Interestingly, if you do away with add-in video, you can build pretty good systems requiring under 100W: http://anandtech.com/cpuchipse...owdoc.aspx?i=3112&p=13

Anyway, it's obvious to everyone that a 300W PSU is plenty for the system listed, and a 550W PSU is ridiculously over-spec'd.

OP: Is it a BSOD, or is it a crash in the application? The fact that a user-level dumpfile is generated suggests the latter, but your title says the former....

 

[oynaz]

SylEm, sorry for starting a thread hijack, but you were getting very poor advice.

Have you had a chance to run Memtest86?