Comments on Pc parts for 3D modelling and gaming

[yambanis]

- I'll be using the PC for gaming ( 1920X1080) and 3D modeling ( AutoCad and Siemens NX)

- Budget around 1400 USD( case not included, will use my Haf-X)

-Will travel to the USA around the end of July

- Intel+Nvidia+Asus... Any brand on the other parts

-Plan to overclock. modest 4.5 OC, getting WC because it gets hot in Brazil



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus V Gene Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($95.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($354.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1431.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-18 22:44 EST-0500)


Any input is appreciated

Also, ill be staying in a hotel, there's a tiger direct nearby.... Can I buy online and pick up in the store? Don`t really now if I want to leave 1400 USD at the reception of the Hotel =)

 

[Sleepingforest]

The mobo, cooler, RAM, and PSU are looking a bit too expensive for what you're getting. A PZ77V-LK is enough for what you do; the Thermaltake Frio is perfectly adequate, even in warm climates, to overclock to 4.5 GHz; you can get 16GB off Amazon for around $80 (look for Crucial); the WD Black gets you no performance increase over a WD Blue or a Seagate Barracuda.

 

[yambanis]

wouldn't the LE plus be a better option over the LK? They are both for 149USD at newegg...
LE seems to have Digi+ and some other goodies...Do the 6 phase over the 8 phase from gene change something performance wise or in durability?

Not sure i want to cheap ou on the PSU, this corsair one seems to be really good and semi-modular, which is a plus.

The memory and the cpu coler am still unsure about =) Dunno if the h100i is overkill...
Would the latency and timing of the memory interfere in gaming or modeling?

 

[Sleepingforest]

The LK is only $110 AR from Microcenter. The extra power phases aren't really worth $40 more; they help slightly with really high overclocks. The memory you chose is really overpriced and has useless "heat spreaders" that just interfere with a good cooler. A H100i is not any better than a Noctua D14 for sure, and the Noctua costs $20 less.

 

[yambanis]

Is microcenter trusworthy? They got some crazy prices =)
I got to agree on the RAM, The low profile balistix do good for their price.

Wouldnt be at peace with the noctua`s weight... I know its fine, but thats just me. Might go look into that thermaltake u suggested

 

[Torn Mind]

You don't need a 750 watt PSU if you're only running one card. For $100 after rebate, you can get the HX650(made by Seasonic, fyi) and still get the 7 year warranty on the PSU. By the time you buy, the rebate is probably over, but it is still 20 bucks cheaper. There are some quality options starting from $70 and upwards.

 

[Torn Mind]

Is microcenter trusworthy? They got some crazy prices =)
I got to agree on the RAM, The low profile balistix do good for their price.

Wouldnt be at peace with the noctua`s weight... I know its fine, but thats just me. Might go look into that thermaltake u suggested

I have shopped at Microcenter; I got my Celeron G550 and case from there. You will get what is advertised on the website for that particular store you chose(or the web store).

 

[mfenn]

Where will you be staying? (Important to know if there is an MC nearby.)

As for the parts, your motherboard, HSF, RAM, HDD, and PSU are all overpriced. However, July is way too far out to give any concrete advice on good deals.

A note about water cooling because you seem to sharing a common misconception. Water is not magic. All water does is move heat from the plate that sits on the CPU to a radiator. It is the radiator that has to dump the heat into the environment. This is the exact same function as the copper heatpipes on a tower cooler. You can debate all day which mechanism is more efficient, but at the end of the day, all it either is doing is moving the heat a few inches. Bottom line. if your ambient temperatures are too hot, it doesn't matter what sort of cooler you have; your computer will overheat.

 

[yambanis]

Where will you be staying? (Important to know if there is an MC nearby.)

As for the parts, your motherboard, HSF, RAM, HDD, and PSU are all overpriced. However, July is way too far out to give any concrete advice on good deals.

A note about water cooling because you seem to sharing a common misconception. Water is not magic. All water does is move heat from the plate that sits on the CPU to a radiator. It is the radiator that has to dump the heat into the environment. This is the exact same function as the copper heatpipes on a tower cooler. You can debate all day which mechanism is more efficient, but at the end of the day, all it either is doing is moving the heat a few inches. Bottom line. if your ambient temperatures are too hot, it doesn't matter what sort of cooler you have; your computer will overheat.

I'll be staying in orlando( going to take my little sis to disnye ), so no MC there, none that i've seen anyway. Theres a Tigerdirect near the hotel, so might shop there.

I still believe that the WC will be more efficient, since the heat spreader ( the radiator) has a greater surface. Since water has a higher heat capacity than hair, it takes more energy to heat up water than it would ofr air, making the water you have to cool cooler than the equivalent air( if that made any sense lol) and i might even use PP for the radiator, so in theory, WC should be better. I know the a custom loop would be much more efficient, but a 1st time, might take the safe route I'm planning on get AC in my house, so lets hope the cpu can survive till then

Sorry if i'm confusing, its 7am, just removed my wisdom teeth and nottyping in my native language =)

Since i Can bring back to BR around 1400USD without having to pay taxes, I believe ill be going with this build + a cpu cooler, still looking into that =)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.72 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.78 @ Amazon)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($354.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1195.45
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-21 04:58 EST-0500)

 

[Sleepingforest]

That's not 100% correct, since you aren't accounting for the fact that air coolers will move vastly more air than water coolers move water. Cooler like the Noctua D14, thanks to their shape, also have more surface area than radiators.

 

[mfenn]

I still believe that the WC will be more efficient, since the heat spreader ( the radiator) has a greater surface. Since water has a higher heat capacity than hair, it takes more energy to heat up water than it would ofr air, making the water you have to cool cooler than the equivalent air( if that made any sense lol) and i might even use PP for the radiator, so in theory, WC should be better. I know the a custom loop would be much more efficient, but a 1st time, might take the safe route I'm planning on get AC in my house, so lets hope the cpu can survive till then

The only part of this that makes any sense is your comment about a radiator having a greater surface area than a heatsink. While that makes sense, it is not really true for a small radiator.

The rest of it doesn't make any sense at all. You have to remove heat from the system somewhere. That somewhere is always going to be air blowing through fins. It doesn't matter if those fins are on a radiator or a heatsink, the system will overheat if it the ambient temperature is too hot.

Too hot of an ambient temperature is like 50C, which I highly doubt you'll experience. My point is that you're not going to get to that point with either an air or water cooler.

Since i Can bring back to BR around 1400USD without having to pay taxes, I believe ill be going with this build + a cpu cooler, still looking into that =)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($83.72 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.78 @ Amazon)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($354.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1195.45
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-21 04:58 EST-0500)

It's still way too early to get locked in on specific parts.