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linuxboy

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It's been so long since I've posted anything here outside of a few random comments or purposeful obsequitous obedience to my own desire of engaging in discourse with forum members. So, it's time for a post.

When in the course of human progress and development, the economic reliance upon produced goods leads to unforeseen and new growth and abundance, whatever toils and hardships on the downswing of the business cycle should cause us to rethink our political and economic system and glance if not look far ahead to what the current pace and unbounded expansion bring to the future of our species.

The world is at war and century-old problems in the cradle of civilization and humanity are resparked as the rest of the world watches, both from afar and from first-hand to lament at the nature of the great tragedies befalling humankind because of its rebellious and obstinate nature. The supremacy of law, of books, of systems and societies clash while some realize universally present humanity and that mutual acknowledgement of the celebration of life. And yet no change can happen, save for the few people who, as in the past, form a commitment to better the world, slowly, in whatever capacity possible, knowing that those who are endowed with a greater conscience are obligated to act in accordance with the Good.

We, as a nation, are frightened from the events that shake us, realizing prosperity is fleeting and that pain, even if healed, remains in memory to be lulled again in most cases to the drone of a systematic means of surviving and obtaining food as well as struggle in our social structures in vain pursuit of what is recognized as success.

Some have turned to God, I hope truly so, and some rely on themselves, and some dream, and people eat drink, fall in love, marry, and continue to live, as in the past.

But there is change in the acknowledgement of our limits, change in the ways we put our trust in scientific certainty, change in the way we teach our children, change in the way we even perceive ourselves and our roles in the world. We have come to a point where choices will have permanence, and where we are no longer innocent, having been afforded insight into the dramatic impact we have in our environements, on ourselves and in the people we love.

There is change. And these are different times.


What does it mean to be human? I pose it for discussion after a few reflections upon our current state. What are we, and what are we becoming?


Cheers ! :)
 

linuxboy

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who? That's another thread altogether...

Hey kamiam. I'd like to know what you make of the question.


Cheers ! :)
 

kamiam

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Originally posted by: linuxboy
who? I couldn't think of a better title.

Hey kamiam. I'd like to know what you make of the question.


Cheers ! :)
What does it mean to be human?
easy,two words...grow...learn,as simple as that:p;)
 

BlamoHammer

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I dont really read too much into our existence. In all reality we are just smart monkeys. Of course when you take a step back its much more than that and its an incredibly simplistic way of looking at our existence but nevertheless valid. I think our purpose is that of any other animals: do as much as we can to continue our existence.
 

linuxboy

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...grow...learn,

Those two ellipses lead me to consider that there are more than two words to say, and that the matter is not quite so simple. How do we learn, and what is the consequence and cost of growth?

Cheers ! :)
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: JC
Synopsis: You've been busy with HotChic. :D

:Q

Actually, I would second that. I'm just concerned with the girl I met last night. :D
 

JC

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Originally posted by: linuxboy
...grow...learn,

Those two ellipses lead me to consider that there are more than two words to say, and that the matter is not quite so simple. How do we learn, and what is the consequence and cost of growth?

Cheers ! :)

Don't you think it's kinda late for posing such deep, existential questions?? :confused:
 

SCSIfreek

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Originally posted by: JC
Originally posted by: linuxboy
...grow...learn,

Those two ellipses lead me to consider that there are more than two words to say, and that the matter is not quite so simple. How do we learn, and what is the consequence and cost of growth?

Cheers ! :)

Don't you think it's kinda late for posing such deep, existential questions?? :confused:

especially on a friday night? :confused:

--Scsi
 

linuxboy

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I have been busy with many things. However, I think you confuse me with my sister who is currently researching NOx affects in zebra finches and baby chickens. Keeping those in incubators does make her very very busy with some Hot Chics. They're really fluffy, though :).


So far, we have a few ideas. One, that survival is what ultimately propels us to continue being human and therefore defines us, and that a consequence of being human is learning and growth.

We have yet to see what being human is, in, for and of itself.

Cheers ! :)
 

Sealy

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Actually, I would second that. I'm just concerned with the girl I met last night. :D[/quote]

Well I think that sums up everything!
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: SCSIfreek
Originally posted by: JC
Originally posted by: linuxboy
...grow...learn,

Those two ellipses lead me to consider that there are more than two words to say, and that the matter is not quite so simple. How do we learn, and what is the consequence and cost of growth?

Cheers ! :)

Don't you think it's kinda late for posing such deep, existential questions?? :confused:

especially on a friday night? :confused:

--Scsi

Haha, best time for discussions like these. :D
 

BlamoHammer

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Originally posted by: linuxboy
I have been busy with many things.


So far, we have a few ideas. One, that survival is what ultimately propels us to continue being human and therefore defines us, and that a consequence of being human is learning and growth.

We have yet to see what being human is, in, for and of itself.

Cheers ! :)

I wouldnt say that the hunger to learn and grow is a consequence of being human...more of a trait. The human race is notorious for wanting to be the best at whatever they are trying to do which is another thing that drives us forward in many aspects of life (technology, medicine, space exploration). I think the yearn to learn and grow is a side effect of this desire to be the top of the proverbial food chain and its a big part of why we are where we are today. If thats a consequence I'd love to see the reward.
 

kamiam

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Originally posted by: linuxboy
...grow...learn,

Those two ellipses lead me to consider that there are more than two words to say, and that the matter is not quite so simple. How do we learn, and what is the consequence and cost of growth?

Cheers ! :)
actually, only the actions are not that simple,the descriptors are eloquently simple and seem to cover all aspects of the process and the ultimate goal in knowing what the word "humanity" truely means
 

JC

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What does it mean to be human?

I think the answer is unique to each individual, as individuality is key to being human.
 

AreaCode707

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What does it mean to be human?

To be crippled, in pain, only half-real, inflicting hurt on one another in guises of happiness and love, reaching out only to fall, looking inward only to disintigrate into darkness.

To be healed, strong, made whole and complete, abounding in Joy and Love one to another, reaching out to find strength, looking upward to be bathed in golden light.

To be human is to be given the opportunity of eternity.
 

p0ntif

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Linuxboy,

You seem to propose in your aureate soliloquy that we, as humans have not, until now in the downswing of the economic cycle, realized the permenance of our previous choices and actions. I, on the other hand, believe that most have always understood the consequnces of their actions, save for that period in the timeline of life prior to the development and comprehension of empathy within the individual. That we, as adults, move through our shared existence mostly aware of what will in all probability come to be, and what we must do to survive in the most basic sense. However, the majority become preoccupied with fleeting pursuits, whether they be occupational advancement for sake of advancement in pretensious circles, or mere novelties that take up so many hours of free time, it replaces human contact. For this majority, apathy is the solution. I have traveled down this road myself several times. 'Why should i vote? What's the point? Who cares? I have my job, I have my family, what do I really care about beyond that? I have my computer, I have my car. I'm doing ok, sucks that you aren't. But do I really honestly care deep inside? Or rather, will I just grab a beer and watch HBO until 4 in the morning. Keep in mind that although we, as a nation are consistently in a state of flux, and we as a world undergo elephantine suffering and pain, that we, again, as a nation drown it all out with our entertaining, and always amusing diversions. Yeah, the world changes, yeah the nation changes, and yes, we as people change in the way we look at ourselves, the world, religion, and politics. But who are we to take away the electronic morphine of the masses so that we, as a nation, can writhe in pain together?
 

djheater

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To be human is not to be an individual. It is not suffering, nor is it the toil of endeavoring to deserve redemption. The question "What is it to be human" is only a tool for greater self-realization. It's answer is as relevant as the cliched koan "What is the sound of one hand clapping". The answer is defined by the individuals understanding of the question.

Krishnamurti said "truth is a pathless land" a sentiment perhaps, in part, derived from Lao Tzu's teaching, "The way that is known is not the way". With that preface I will answer this: What it is to be human can not be answered in any way more truthfully than to act with compassion and love.
 

novon

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To be human is not to be an individual. It is not suffering, nor is it the toil of endeavoring to deserve redemption. The question "What is it to be human" is only a tool for greater self-realization. It's answer is as relevant as the cliched koan "What is the sound of one hand clapping". The answer is defined by the individuals understanding of the question.

Krishnamurti said "truth is a pathless land" a sentiment perhaps, in part, derived from Lao Tzu's teaching, "The way that is known is not the way". With that preface I will answer this: What it is to be human can not be answered in any way more truthfully than to act with compassion and love.

There you go
 

novon

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Krishnamurti :

"Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not a choice. It is man?s pretense that because he has choice he is free. Freedom is pure observation without direction, without fear of punishment and reward. Freedom is without motive; freedom is not at the end of the evolution of man but lies in the first step of his existence. In observation one begins to discover the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in the choiceless awareness of our daily existence and activity."

?Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge, which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution.

?When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts, he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep, radical mutation in the mind.

?Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence.?
 

jjones

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What does it mean to be human?
Everything and nothing all at once. We are each the most important aspect of our world yet the most insignificant as well. Ahh... it's great to be alive! :)