Commanders Give Marines Pep Talk In Iraq

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Commanders Give Marines Pep Talk in Iraq

By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer

NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq - As U.S. forces prepared for what is expected to be the biggest Marine-led urban assault since Vietnam, U.S. commanders pumped up troop spirits Sunday, saying they were no different from the storied heroes of Iwo Jima and Korea.

Standing before some 2,500 Marines who stood or kneeled at his feet, Lt. Gen. John F. Sattler, the commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, told them that they would be at the front of the charge.

"This is America's fight," Sattler said. "What we've added to it is our Iraqi partners. They want to go in and liberate Fallujah. They feel this town's being held hostage by mugs, thugs, murderers and terrorists."

Two Marine battalions, along with a battalion from the Army's 1st Infantry Division, will be the lead units sent into a Fallujah attack. They will be joined by two brigades of Iraqi troops.

"God bless you, each and every one. You know what your mission is. Go out there and get it done," Sattler said.

More than 10,000 U.S. troops massed around the Sunni Muslim city are expected to take a role in the assault on Fallujah, whose green-lit minarets are visible from the U.S. base near the city.

That's well over twice the number of Americans who were involved in an April siege on Fallujah. That assault lasted for three weeks, until Marines were forced to pull back amid Iraqi outcry over the hundreds of casualties. Sunni insurgents then tightened their hold.

Sgt. Maj. Carlton W. Kent, the top enlisted Marine in Iraq (news - web sites), told troops Sunday the coming battle of Fallujah would be "no different" than the historic fights at Inchon in Korea, the flag-raising victory at Iwo Jima, or the bloody assault to remove North Vietnamese troops who occupied the ancient citadel of Hue in the 1968 Tet Offensive.

"You're all in the process of making history," Kent boomed in a clarion voice. "This is another Hue city in the making. I have no doubt, if we do get the word, that each and every one of you is going to do what you have always done ? kick some butt."

Marine battalion commander Lt. Col. Mike Ramos said many of the young fighters would be dashing into battle for the first time. In the barracks, Marines could be seen packing up gear, strapping anti-tank missile tubes to their packs. They would also be carrying gas masks in case of chemical weapons, a threat Ramos deemed unlikely.

"They're sharpening their K-Bar fighting knives; they're cleaning their weapons for the last time; they've fueled their vehicles and they've rehearsed the plan," said Ramos, 41, of Dallas.

Ramos predicted that "freedom and democracy" would prevail in Fallujah within days.

"Make no mistake about it, we'll hand this city back to the Iraqi people," he said. "I think it will be rapid."

During the fight, rules of engagement allow U.S. troops to shoot and kill anyone carrying a weapon or driving in Fallujah, a move aimed at allowing U.S. troops to fire on car bombers, Ramos said. Military age males trying to leave the city will be captured or turned back.

"If I see someone who looks like a martyr, driving at high speed toward my unit, I'll send him to Allah before he gets close," Ramos said.

Sattler reminded the troops that the assault would be a joint U.S.-Iraqi effort. The fledgling Iraqi military, which has been under intense U.S. training, needs to be led by example into the fight against Fallujah, he said.

"This is a whole can of whoop-butt all combined here," Kent said, surveying the Marines surrounding him.

A pumped-up crowd shouted a deafening "Hoo-rah" in response.
 

Infohawk

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Hehe. I saw this one too.

Here was my favorite lie:

U.S. commanders pumped up troop spirits Sunday, saying they were no different from the storied heroes of Iwo Jima and Korea.

Umm... actually they are a lot different. Maybe they should have made a reference to a Vietnam operation. Japan and North Korea had both been agressors. Iraq wasn't.
 

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Yeah I caught that line too, but it's expected of them to rally their troops and raise morale in any way possible.

I do agree though; their janitorial duties in Iraq for the Bush administration are far removed from the heroes of yesteryear.
 

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"If I see someone who looks like a martyr, driving at high speed toward my unit, I'll send him to Allah before he gets close," Ramos said.

Great line and a truly great man.
 

alchemize

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Followed up by JPeyton's pep talk to the insurgents:

Originally posted by: jpeyton
They are fighting against an occupying force.

They are fighting against a puppet government.

They are fighting against a thief who waged an illegal war to steal their most precious natural resource.

More power to them. I am vehemently against a long military occupation of Iraq that is so transparently for control of their national treasure.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Followed up by JPeyton's pep talk to the insurgents:

Originally posted by: jpeyton
They are fighting against an occupying force.

They are fighting against a puppet government.

They are fighting against a thief who waged an illegal war to steal their most precious natural resource.

More power to them. I am vehemently against a long military occupation of Iraq that is so transparently for control of their national treasure.

Dude, aren't there enough threads on the subjec of jpeyton?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Followed up by JPeyton's pep talk to the insurgents:

Originally posted by: jpeyton
They are fighting against an occupying force.

They are fighting against a puppet government.

They are fighting against a thief who waged an illegal war to steal their most precious natural resource.

More power to them. I am vehemently against a long military occupation of Iraq that is so transparently for control of their national treasure.

Since you're so interested in my words, might I suggest putting them in your sig. I already have two other fans out there...Mill, b0mbrman ;)
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Infohawk

Dude, aren't there enough threads on the subjec of jpeyton?

Is he your hero? Are you the new proponent for civil discourse? How are JPeyton's previous statements on Iraq not relevant to his future posts?
 

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Marines turn to God


Near Fallujah - With US forces massing outside Fallujah, 35 marines swayed to Christian rock music and asked Jesus Christ to protect them in what could be the biggest battle since American troops invaded Iraq last year.

Men with buzzcuts and clad in their camouflage waved their hands in the air, M-16 assault rifles beside them, and chanted heavy metal-flavoured lyrics in praise of Christ late on Friday in a yellow-brick chapel.

They counted among thousands of troops surrounding the city of Fallujah, seeking solace as they awaited Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's decision on whether or not to invade Fallujah.

"You are the sovereign. You're name is holy. You are the pure spotless lamb," a female voice cried out on the loudspeakers as the marines clapped their hands and closed their eyes, reflecting on what lay ahead for them.

The US military, with many soldiers coming from the conservative American south and midwest, has deep Christian roots.

Comforting

In times that fighting looms, many soldiers draw on their evangelical or born-again heritage to help them face the battle.

"It's always comforting. Church attendance is always up before the big push," said first sergeant Miles Thatford.

"Sometimes, all you've got is God."

Between the service's electric guitar religious tunes, marines stepped up on the chapel's small stage and recited a verse of scripture, meant to fortify them for war.

One spoke of their Old Testament hero, a shepherd who would become Israel's king, battling the Philistines 3 000 years ago.

"Thus David prevailed over the Philistines," the marine said, reading from scripture, and the marines shouted back "Hoorah, King David," using their signature grunt of approval.

The marines drew parallels from the verse with their present situation, where they perceive themselves as warriors fighting barbaric men opposed to all that is good in the world.

"Victory belongs to the Lord," another young marine read.

Their chaplain, named Horne, told the worshippers they were stationed outside Fallujah to bring the Iraqis "freedom from oppression, rape, torture and murder ... We ask you God to bless us in that effort."

Holy oil

The marines then lined up and their chaplain blessed them with holy oil to protect them.

"God's people would be anointed with oil," the chaplain said, as he lightly dabbed oil on the marines' foreheads.

The crowd then followed him outside their small auditorium for a baptism of about a half-dozen marines who had just found Christ.

The young men lined up and at least three of them stripped down to their shorts.

The three laid down in a rubber dinghy filled with water and the chaplain's assistant, navy corpsman Richard Vaughn, plunged their heads beneath the surface.

Smiling, Vaughn baptised them "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."

Dripping wet, corporal Keith Arguelles beamed after his baptism.

"I just wanted to make sure I did this before I headed into the fight," he said on the military base not far from the city of Fallujah.

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So victory belongs to the God both Christians and Muslems worship? If that is so shouldn't they join forces? :confused:

Edit: Just wanted to point out double meaning of the Holy Oil bit which I find to be a quite ironical seeing that the Marines are fighting for the control of oil.

 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Infohawk

Dude, aren't there enough threads on the subjec of jpeyton?

Is he your hero? Are you the new proponent for civil discourse? How are JPeyton's previous statements on Iraq not relevant to his future posts?


No, jpeyton is not my hero.

I am a proponent of a certain type of civil discourse. It doesn't involve squashing out dissenting views. I don't see how constantly re-quoteing jpeyton is on the topic of commanders giving a pep talk.

EDIT: Never mind. I am just enabling your hi-jacking.
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Infohawk

Dude, aren't there enough threads on the subjec of jpeyton?

Is he your hero? Are you the new proponent for civil discourse? How are JPeyton's previous statements on Iraq not relevant to his future posts?

If your intent is to turn the focus of this thread from a relatively benign discussion of commanders encouraging their troops to what I said in another thread, go for it. I seriously don't mind at all.
 

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Comparing what we're doing to Iraq to what happened in WW2 is an insult to all those that fought and died in those wars.

WW2 was a just war, Iraq was not.

Although I do hope those soldiers come home very soon. I do not wish them ill, but I will not give in to the "Kill 'em All" mentality that reeks in this country right now.
 

Martin

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Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!


:)
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Go Marines! Kick some ass. Good luck and God bless.


Do you think God blesses murderers? You people are just as bad Osama Bin Laden who uses god to justify killing others they don't like.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Go Marines! Kick some ass. Good luck and God bless.


Do you think God blesses murderers? You people are just as bad Osama Bin Laden who uses god to justify killing others they don't like.
So the Marines are murderers, right? Can we infer this from your statement?
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Go Marines! Kick some ass. Good luck and God bless.


Do you think God blesses murderers? You people are just as bad Osama Bin Laden who uses god to justify killing others they don't like.
So the Marines are murderers, right? Can we infer this from your statement?

I would like to think the Marines are just tools for heroes and murderers to use, as they see fit.

You can certainly infer who we have in power right now.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Go Marines! Kick some ass. Good luck and God bless.


Do you think God blesses murderers? You people are just as bad Osama Bin Laden who uses god to justify killing others they don't like.
So the Marines are murderers, right? Can we infer this from your statement?

Even if he does, that's still better than being right-wing hypocrites about it....

"What happened to the weapons?"

"It's the soldier's fault. Did they look hard enough?"

It's one thing to not be on their side, it's one thing to be on their side, it's another to be on their side but not like the premise of their activity and then it's ANOTHER to use them for political and financial gain, claim to be "on their side" and discard that thought when it's convenient.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Go Marines! Kick some ass. Good luck and God bless.


Do you think God blesses murderers? You people are just as bad Osama Bin Laden who uses god to justify killing others they don't like.
So the Marines are murderers, right? Can we infer this from your statement?

I would like to think the Marines are just tools for heroes and murderers to use, as they see fit.

You can certainly infer who we have in power right now.


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BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Go Marines! Kick some ass. Good luck and God bless.


Do you think God blesses murderers? You people are just as bad Osama Bin Laden who uses god to justify killing others they don't like.
So the Marines are murderers, right? Can we infer this from your statement?


Yes. The marines in Iraq are murderers. I have no sympathy for them.
 

Yolner

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Go Marines! Kick some ass. Good luck and God bless.


Do you think God blesses murderers? You people are just as bad Osama Bin Laden who uses god to justify killing others they don't like.
So the Marines are murderers, right? Can we infer this from your statement?


Yes. The marines in Iraq are murderers. I have no sympathy for them.

You are retarded please die in fire. You are retarded please die in fire.You are retarded please die in fire.You are retarded please die in fire.You are retarded please die in fire.You are retarded please die in fire.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Go Marines! Kick some ass. Good luck and God bless.


Do you think God blesses murderers? You people are just as bad Osama Bin Laden who uses god to justify killing others they don't like.
So the Marines are murderers, right? Can we infer this from your statement?


Yes. The marines in Iraq are murderers. I have no sympathy for them.

You are retarded please die in fire. You are retarded please die in fire.You are retarded please die in fire.You are retarded please die in fire.You are retarded please die in fire.You are retarded please die in fire.

Hmmm... ban please.