Command and Conquer series

JeffNY35

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Now that I finished some recent new games such as Dragon Age - I suddenly find my self with a but of an itch to play a Strategy or RTS type game.

One Series I always passed up on was C&C.

For starters it confuses me - there are so many...what is the time line, or should I say what the heck is the difference between Red Alert, regular C&C?

Think its worth picking some of them up for the price? If I did, would you recommend skipping the old ones and just playing C&C 3 Tiberium wars?

I dont mind dated graphics if the game is worthy.
 

Schadenfroh

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Welcome to the forums!


Game Timeline:
My interpretation is as follows, we have two parallel universes.

Red Alert 1 = Nearest Common Ancestor

Soviet Victory in RA1: Europe is conquered and it falls apart in the 80s / 90s with the European countries regaining sovereignty. Tiberium is discovered, C&C Tiberium Dawn (the first C&C) begins and this is the Command and Conquer Tiberium timeline
Allied Victory in RA1: Leads to Red Alert 2 timeline

C&C Generals had nothing to do with C&C, it was named C&C for brand recognition only, sorta like Far Cry 2.

I played them when I was very young, they (C&C 1 and RA1) were great to me, but I am not sure if the graphics are bad enough now to be unbearable (I still play Infinity Engine games).

Might I suggest C&C The First Decade?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_The_First_Decade
 

JoshGuru7

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They're supposedly releasing Red Alert 4 next spring so your timing is good. C&C as a franchise was excellent at the time and partially responsible for a lot of what is good in current RTS games. However, I don't think the older titles provide much value over newer titles unless you're curious why many consider C&C1 one of the top 10 most influential PC games.

Personally, I'd recommend Supreme Commander (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/supremecommander?q=supreme commander) over C&C3. I thought it was simply much more fun.
 

Zargon

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red alert is a different timeline, an altered reality.

RTS > Sins of a Solar Empire.
 

JeffNY35

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To the first responce - thanks that cleared up alot actually. Yeah, I wouldnt go that far back - the one I was looking at most likely would be C&C 3.

To the second, I have Supreme Commaner and I didnt make it too far with that. It wasn't bad but I felt like I was more watching the big map more than enjoying the battles, almost too many units ... but I did consider giving it a second try. I dont know, typically when I re-install games like that whatever my first experience was I do the same thing all over again.

Kind of like Baldurs gate, I have re-installed it countless times determined to finish it, but I find myself most enjoying creating new parties, I play it through act 2 or so then I am done again :)
 

Maximilian

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To the first responce - thanks that cleared up alot actually. Yeah, I wouldnt go that far back - the one I was looking at most likely would be C&C 3.

To the second, I have Supreme Commaner and I didnt make it too far with that. It wasn't bad but I felt like I was more watching the big map more than enjoying the battles, almost too many units ... but I did consider giving it a second try. I dont know, typically when I re-install games like that whatever my first experience was I do the same thing all over again.

Kind of like Baldurs gate, I have re-installed it countless times determined to finish it, but I find myself most enjoying creating new parties, I play it through act 2 or so then I am done again :)

C&C 3, RA3 and basically everything after RA2 is rubbish, the storylines are uninspired and the gameplay is bland, theres more people playing company of heros than C&C3+RA3 put together, from what i can tell RA4 is going to be difference from all the other games i dont expect it to be any good but might be something you want to try.
 

Zargon

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the only plus to the later C&C's really is the acting, they hire like, real actors(semi washed uop but whatever) to do cutscenes so they dont blow utter balls
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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the only plus to the later C&C's really is the acting, they hire like, real actors(semi washed uop but whatever) to do cutscenes so they dont blow utter balls

When I was trying to play C&C3 (I think), I had to stop because the cutscenes involving just a news guy sitting there and talking were TOO DAMN LONG.
 

Ultralight

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I love the C&C franchise except I have yet to play RA 3 and from everything I've read I won't (unless someone can tell me why I should).

C&C Generals is often panned but there are many of us that really enjoyed it and, yes, I liked C&C 3 as well. RA1 gave me some fond memories.

You can get a slew of the franchise in a one box for cheap.
 

GullyFoyle

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Supreme Commander is basically Total Annihilation 2 and worth a look if you enjoyed TA.

Just wanted to note, for the OP that finds SupCom a bit tedious, that TotalA was a bit simpler and therefore easier to get in to. I loved TotalA and played it as my primary game for 2+ years. I got the SupCom demo and only put a few hours in to it. I recall having issues with the zooming out and in to the action across the map. At some point I got the SupCom full game (cheap), but still haven't installed it...
 

Via

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I picked up C&C:Generals in a bargain bin a while ago, and I've been itching to try it since I loved the original C&C.

But everyone seems to imply to not bother.

What the hell - maybe it's worth a free night and a sixpack of beer.
 

Zargon

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I picked up C&C:Generals in a bargain bin a while ago, and I've been itching to try it since I loved the original C&C.

But everyone seems to imply to not bother.

What the hell - maybe it's worth a free night and a sixpack of beer.


I enjoyed generals quit a bit

more so than the other later C&C's
 

Jesusthewererabbit

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RA2 is probably my favorite RTS of all time. I bought The First Decade not too long ago, and had another playthrough. That version is horribly buggy in Vista, but the original runs perfectly fine. Haven't tried in 7.
 

Pepsei

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I enjoyed generals quit a bit

more so than the other later C&C's

yes, i do find generals to be a refreshing change when i played it.

love the 3 different sides... kinda like star craft but with human.
 

Zenoth

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I think that most people bashing on C&C3 and RA3 do it simply because it relates to Electronic Arts, but they probably don't realize anymore that Westwood Studios' (the original developers of the series) first mistake was recognized back then to be Yuri's Revenge, the expansion pack to the beloved Red Alert 2, and I agreed back then as well, no one really wanted a third "race" to be implemented, until then Red Alert had always been a conflict between the Allied and Soviet forces, and then comes in the very first WS' attempt at milking the franchise for no real purposes other than to screw up most of the original RA2's balance which was generally fine before Yuri came in.

But I understand that nostalgia probably helps in keeping the "old" C&C titles on a silver platter rather than analyzing them for what they really were. I guess in that end however that it comes down to subjective views entirely. I for one liked all of the C&C games including Yuri's Revenge despite its issues, but obviously some are better than others, but I do not "hate" a single one of them. I really liked C&C 3's single-player campaign and I thought that the campaign from Kane's Wrath (expansion pack to C&C3) was even better since we went back in time a little bit during the Tiberian Sun (A.K.A C&C2) time line, which for me was a really pleasant surprise because C&C2 had the best events occurring of all the Tiberium saga, although I do still like the original C&C very much (probably due to the music score however, which to this day is still brilliant and so enjoyable to listen to).

As for RA3 I liked it. It could have been better, of course, but I thought that Yuri's Revenge was worst, although RA3 could be seen as a glorified Yuri's Revenge (three factions battling it out instead of the original Allied Vs. Soviets context). It retained its intended cheesy acting, which I thought was very well done and was very much reminiscent to Red Alert 2's cut-scenes, the music fits in very well, especially the main theme which simply kicks some major ass (especially considering that the music in C&C3, in general, isn't good, in my opinion anyway).

But, overall, I liked them all really, my absolute favorite within the Red Alert time line is Red Alert: Retaliation (from the original time line, before the sequel) and C&C 2 (both Tiberian Sun and Firestorm) for the Tiberium saga (with Kane and the Brotherhood of Nod). I think that if there's a franchise that managed to live to this day that retained pretty much the essential without being screwed too much it has to be C&C despite being maintained and developed by a company that most people including myself love to hate, but I tend to give credits where due, I'd rather see a financially capable company trying to keep C&C alive than seeing the franchise falling under poor hands and not being able to resume it at all.
 

Maximilian

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I think that most people bashing on C&C3 and RA3 do it simply because it relates to Electronic Arts, but they probably don't realize anymore that Westwood Studios' (the original developers of the series) first mistake was recognized back then to be Yuri's Revenge, the expansion pack to the beloved Red Alert 2, and I agreed back then as well, no one really wanted a third "race" to be implemented, until then Red Alert had always been a conflict between the Allied and Soviet forces, and then comes in the very first WS' attempt at milking the franchise for no real purposes other than to screw up most of the original RA2's balance which was generally fine before Yuri came in.

Westwood were bought by EA in 1998, tiberian sun was mostly completed and released in 1999, everything after that was heavily influenced by EA.
 

Zenoth

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Westwood were bought by EA in 1998, tiberian sun was mostly completed and released in 1999, everything after that was heavily influenced by EA.

Which was my point, EA isn't that bad at managing the C&C series as much as people might think at first glance just because "it's EA", EA has done many mistakes, don't get me wrong, but some of their efforts are good enough in my book.
 

CP5670

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I'll quote myself from an earlier thread on this:

I think EA's C&C3 was much better than anything Westwood would have made. Westwood's track record became very hit-or-miss after the original Red Alert. RA2 and Firestorm were probably their high points. TS was not a bad game but a disappointment on many levels, as they removed many of the planned features and it had fallen behind other RTSs of the time like TA. The RA expansion packs got mixed reviews too, and then you had total crap like Sole Survivor. Dune 2000 was supposed to be a poor game as well, although I never played that. Petroglyph's games have apparently continued this trend as well.

That being said, EA hasn't had a great record with the series after C&C3. I thought KW and RA3 were fairly disappointing in comparison, and C&C4 seems to be an RTT game with the C&C name added on.

As for the OP, I'm pretty sure the original C&C and RA are freely available now. They are certainly worth checking out, and C&C arguably still has the best singleplayer campaigns of the series. The games are 2D, so they don't look quite as bad today as 3D stuff from the same era.

In terms of story, C&C and RA are separate universes for the most part, although the first RA has some tenuous connections to C&C.
 
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Ultralight

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I picked up C&C:Generals in a bargain bin a while ago, and I've been itching to try it since I loved the original C&C.

But everyone seems to imply to not bother.

What the hell - maybe it's worth a free night and a sixpack of beer.

Generals is a lot of fun and as you will note there are a few of us that like it quite well. Let us know how you like it or not like it.