Come, witness freedom of speech first hand! America is the BEST COUNTRY EVER! Should homosexual couples raise children?

Page 16 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Hanpan

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2000
4,812
0
0


<< hanpan

at some point. are you going to respond to my post regarding differences between male and female homosexuality? to be honest, you are talking almost exclusively about male homosexuality.
>>



My aplogies. I was kinda busy making myself unpopular. It is true that I am arguing largely with views towards male homosexuals. This can be attributed to that fact that I have no personal experience with fremal homosexuals. Furthermore those female homosexuals I have had the pleasure of meeting were not as firm or centered in their beliefs as males. IN fact though they classified themselves as lesbians I would say they were more bisexual than lesbian. So I do apologize for my lack of contact with female homosexuals, but alas I have not found many.

What remains however is that I percieve homosexual behavior to be destructive regarless of the sex that practices it. So in essence it really matter little.
 

MadRat

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
11,942
264
126
<<Gays harm no one.>>

Prove it.

There has already been publications that linked the spread of AIDS to the blood supply, and then directly linked over 80% of these cases to homosexuals and drug users. Innocent people depended on that blood to be disease free. Hemophilliacs were harmed by the tainted blood supply. Accident victims were harmed by the tainted blood. Just last year we had four cases of HIV tracked down to a blood donor that tested negative. (Amused One said that its impossible for them to not be detected. Oops, I guess he was wrong.) Sure the blood supply is now much safer, but at what cost?

Just about every homosexual I've met has believed that marijuana should be legal to smoke, and some even went so far as to say all drugs should be legalized. Drugs are just another hedonistic idea that sinks to a slippery slope for society... i.e. if marijuana becomes legal, why not cocaine?

I've yet to meet a homosexual that has had ONE sex partner for life, something I can say about many of the married couples I've met. I don't care if the person is gay or straight, promiscuity is wrong and society needs to punish more than just pedophiles. Alot of people feel that sodomy laws are unenforceable, because the sex acts are in private. Protected sex may be an answer to it, perhaps. But who is to say that every sex act they have is protected sex? There is no way to regulate them with a bunch of preconditions to their sexual habits other than to say no to all of them.

The people in some states, like Texas, have the good sense to actually enforce the sodomy laws on their books. The good people of Florida are another good example of a state doing its part to stop the spread of leud and perverted sex acts.
 

Geekbabe

Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Oct 16, 1999
32,200
2,452
126
www.theshoppinqueen.com
The saddest thing about this entire thread which was supposedly about CHILDREN is that in all the tens of thousands of words that were spewed forth, precious few of em had anything to do with the plight of the children that are under
discussion and more to do with how to furthewr injure those children by using them as clubs to punish gays, single parents,divorced folks etc.

Tonight while you sit there all well fed and happy in your nice house typing away at your computer patting yourself on the back for denouncing gays and makiing wild speculations as to the imoorality of the homosexual lifestyle and ranting about what your God wants, there's a kid sitting in a crummy foster home while a perfectly acceptable gay couple who would gladly adopt him/her is turned away.


In all the rhetoric, somehow the kids got lost, some of you should feel ashamed of yourselves
rolleye.gif
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
23,168
0
71
if u read back u will see, one of my points was that male homosexuals was much more sexually active than even hetero couples and that female homosexuals are less active than hetero couples.

would ur same standard of adoption apply to female homosexuals?

where and how would you draw the line?
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
23,168
0
71


<< Just about every homosexual I've met has believed that marijuana should be legal to smoke, and some even went so far as to say all drugs should be legalized. Drugs are just another hedonistic idea that sinks to a slippery slope for society... i.e. if marijuana becomes legal, why not cocaine?
>>



madrat

i believe that drugs should be legalized. i don't do drug. i can give you VERY good reasons why they should, but i don't think this helps support your argument.
 

BDawg

Lifer
Oct 31, 2000
11,631
2
0
What strikes me as ironic is the same people who are against homosexuals raising children have no problems with them being an alter boy or attending a youth group with a Catholic priest.
 

Hanpan

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2000
4,812
0
0


<< if u read back u will see, one of my points was that male homosexuals was much more sexually active than even hetero couples and that female homosexuals are less active than hetero couples.

would ur same standard of adoption apply to female homosexuals?

where and how would you draw the line?
>>



Frequency and or promiscuity does not change how I see the situation.


Baffled2, I see your point. It is sad that we live in an imperfect world. However I do not believe that we should resort to lifeboat ethics. One of the greatest challanges in life IMHO is doing what is right even when we live in an imperfect world. It is dissheartening to see children neglected and abused in foster homes. This does however not change that homosexual behavior is and children direct exposure to it harmful.


(For those who don;t know Lifeboat ehtics is basically this. Imagine that 10 people are stranded on a lifeboat that only has rations for 5. There is no hope in sight and amonst the rations is a pistol. Lifeboat ethics would dictate that one chooses by some process 5 individuals to be shot so that the other 5 might survive.)
 

Geekbabe

Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Oct 16, 1999
32,200
2,452
126
www.theshoppinqueen.com


<< <<Gays harm no one.>>

Prove it.

There has already been publications that linked the spread of AIDS to the blood supply, and then directly linked over 80% of these cases to homosexuals and drug users. Innocent people depended on that blood to be disease free. Hemophilliacs were harmed by the tainted blood supply. Accident victims were harmed by the tainted blood. Just last year we had four cases of HIV tracked down to a blood donor that tested negative. (Amused One said that its impossible for them to not be detected. Oops, I guess he was wrong.) Sure the blood supply is now much safer, but at what cost?

Just about every homosexual I've met has believed that marijuana should be legal to smoke, and some even went so far as to say all drugs should be legalized. Drugs are just another hedonistic idea that sinks to a slippery slope for society... i.e. if marijuana becomes legal, why not cocaine?

I've yet to meet a homosexual that has had ONE sex partner for life, something I can say about many of the married couples I've met. I don't care if the person is gay or straight, promiscuity is wrong and society needs to punish more than just pedophiles. Alot of people feel that sodomy laws are unenforceable, because the sex acts are in private. Protected sex may be an answer to it, perhaps. But who is to say that every sex act they have is protected sex? There is no way to regulate them with a bunch of preconditions to their sexual habits other than to say no to all of them.

The people in some states, like Texas, have the good sense to actually enforce the sodomy laws on their books. The good people of Florida are another good example of a state doing its part to stop the spread of leud and perverted sex acts.
>>




The biggest corridor of HIV to hetrosexuals comes from IV drug abusers. One infected addict can spread the virus to huge numbers of people both from shared needles and unprotected,unsafe sex practices.


 

Hanpan

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2000
4,812
0
0
Ouch. I just typed a huge message and clicked on a pm by accident.

Doh!:eek:

So i will keep this short.

I belive that frequency and number of partners has no relevance to the fact that homosexual behavior is destructive.

Baffled2. I see your point. It is sad that many children are abused and put into poor situations. But I do not believe that two wrongs make a right. (I see ths akin to lifeboat ethics). Basically INHO the end doesn;t justify the means...
 

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
56,536
16,306
146


<<

<< <<Gays harm no one.>>

Prove it.
>>



Logic fails you again. One need not prove a negative. The burden is on those making the assertion of a positive.



<< There has already been publications that linked the spread of AIDS to the blood supply, and then directly linked over 80% of these cases to homosexuals and drug users. Innocent people depended on that blood to be disease free. Hemophilliacs were harmed by the tainted blood supply. Accident victims were harmed by the tainted blood. Just last year we had four cases of HIV tracked down to a blood donor that tested negative. (Amused One said that its impossible for them to not be detected. Oops, I guess he was wrong.) Sure the blood supply is now much safer, but at what cost? >>



This was caused by promiscuity, and promiscuity is not mutually exclusive to homosexuality.

And it is impossible to test negative for HIV and carry it. You may test negative for the antibodies, but you will not test negative for the virus.

Meanwhile, I guess you're still having trouble following a very simple subject: It is impossible for a CHILD BORN WITH AN STD to reach sexual maturity and not have the STD be detected. Please, if you're going to accuse me of something, get it right.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of HIV cases world wide are heterosexual. The fastest growing segement of the US population with HIV is heterosexual. HIV and homosexuality are not mutually exclusive.



<< Just about every homosexual I've met has believed that marijuana should be legal to smoke, and some even went so far as to say all drugs should be legalized. Drugs are just another hedonistic idea that sinks to a slippery slope for society... i.e. if marijuana becomes legal, why not cocaine? >>



Irrelevant. I'm against the war on drugs, and I'm not gay.



<< I've yet to meet a homosexual that has had ONE sex partner for life, something I can say about many of the married couples I've met. I don't care if the person is gay or straight, promiscuity is wrong and society needs to punish more than just pedophiles. Alot of people feel that sodomy laws are unenforceable, because the sex acts are in private. Protected sex may be an answer to it, perhaps. But who is to say that every sex act they have is protected sex? There is no way to regulate them with a bunch of preconditions to their sexual habits other than to say no to all of them. >>



You live in freakin' Nebraska and are, I assume, very young. You have yet to meet a LOT of people.

At least you're finally starting to separate promiscuity from homosexuality. Very good



<< The people in some states, like Texas, have the good sense to actually enforce the sodomy laws on their books. The good people of Florida are another good example of a state doing its part to stop the spread of leud and perverted sex acts. >>



Uh huh, punishing people for sodamy takes away from punishing real crimes that harm other people. Not to mention it's just plain fascist. What two consenting adults do in the pricasy of their own bedroom is none of the state's business.
 

Hanpan

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2000
4,812
0
0


<<

Uh huh, punishing people for sodamy takes away from punishing real crimes that harm other people. Not to mention it's just plain fascist. What two consenting adults do in the pricasy of their own bedroom is none of the state's business.
>>



Actually that is quite correct. What is the states business however is children put in it;s care through the adoptive process...
 

Geekbabe

Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Oct 16, 1999
32,200
2,452
126
www.theshoppinqueen.com


<<

<< if u read back u will see, one of my points was that male homosexuals was much more sexually active than even hetero couples and that female homosexuals are less active than hetero couples.

would ur same standard of adoption apply to female homosexuals?

where and how would you draw the line?
>>



Frequency and or promiscuity does not change how I see the situation.


Baffled2, I see your point. It is sad that we live in an imperfect world. However I do not believe that we should resort to lifeboat ethics. One of the greatest challanges in life IMHO is doing what is right even when we live in an imperfect world. It is dissheartening to see children neglected and abused in foster homes. This does however not change that homosexual behavior is and children direct exposure to it harmful.


(For those who don;t know Lifeboat ehtics is basically this. Imagine that 10 people are stranded on a lifeboat that only has rations for 5. There is no hope in sight and amonst the rations is a pistol. Lifeboat ethics would dictate that one chooses by some process 5 individuals to be shot so that the other 5 might survive.)
>>




Easy to say from the comfort of your computer chair !!!

That you would consign children to lives of misery ,that it be prerable to you that they be abused and mistreated just so long as we keep em away from gay people disgusts and sickens me !!!!


You know jokes are made here about how Red Dawn and other more colorful posters are hate filled, well from where I sit they're a love in, as the real hate filled ones reveal themselves here !!


I'm going for a walk, that such well educated people can so smugly speak and act this way makes my blood boil ! :|
 

MadRat

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
11,942
264
126
<<Tonight while you sit there all well fed and happy in your nice house typing away at your computer patting yourself on the back for denouncing gays and makiing wild speculations as to the imoorality of the homosexual lifestyle and ranting about what your God wants, there's a kid sitting in a crummy foster home while a perfectly acceptable gay couple who would gladly adopt him/her is turned away.>>

Proof? j/k

I've met some upstanding women who happen to live alone and appear to be lesbian. I bet some of them would make outstanding mothers, regardless if they are lesbian. As long as they didn't have a live-in male or female companion I have no problem with a responsible adult in this case. Part of that responsibility would be to not allow themselves to have sex partners spend the night (or vice cersa) in the presence of the child, nor for them to spend the night away from home while the child is babysat. In a perfect world they'd abstain from sex until the child leaves the nest.

Red Dawn's case by case basis for adoption would surely cover these points already. I just abhor allowing live-in lovers, regardless how upstanding the lover would be outside their household, to participate in raising children. Its not like the live-in lover would necessarily be suited to stay throughout the child's maturing years. Who is to stop that person from leaving when they get tired of the circumstances? Domestic arguments do happen even among homosexual lovers.

If there are too many foster children out there compared to the number of foster parents then the media needs to know. So far this hasn't been something the media has talked about. I'd suggest making the story well known if its such a problem in your community.
 

Hanpan

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2000
4,812
0
0


<< What strikes me as ironic is the same people who are against homosexuals raising children have no problems with them being an alter boy or attending a youth group with a Catholic priest. >>




Please enlighten me as to where this irony lies. If you are inferring that all or even most Catholic priets are gay or that they abuse young boys then you are not better than those that say all homosexuals abuse boys or were abused as children. It is true that this attrocities have occured in the past just as some homosexuals are murders or drug users but that says nothing about a group in general.
 

MadRat

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
11,942
264
126
Han Pan, did not the Supreme Court not just (again) uphold the ban on sodomy? ;)
 

Hanpan

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2000
4,812
0
0



<< Easy to say from the comfort of your computer chair !!!

That you would consign children to lives of misery ,that it be prerable to you that they be abused and mistreated just so long as we keep em away from gay people disgusts and sickens me !!!!


You know jokes are made here about how Red Dawn and other more colorful posters are hate filled, well from where I sit they're a love in, as the real hate filled ones reveal themselves here !!


I'm going for a walk, that such well educated people can so smugly speak and act this way makes my blood boil ! :|
>>



I did not say that they should not be removed from such circumstances. I have not been made aware of a shortage of foster parents/those willing to adopt. In fact I have heard there is a shortage of children to fill the wishes of many who wish to adopt.

YOu are right about the computer chair. It is easy fto talk. However I am sure that Mother Teresa would hold the same views. Furthermore there are worse plights. WHat of the children that suffer and die in poverty in teh poorest of countries. IT is largely because of greed that this is brought about. Yet we seem concerned only about the children of our own nations. Tell me are afgahni children less valuable than american children. DO they have less of a right to a decent upbringing. Tell me of the countless unborn children that are murdered because they where a choice. Are they less abused. Are they worth less or even completetly worthless.

 

BDawg

Lifer
Oct 31, 2000
11,631
2
0


<< Please enlighten me as to where this irony lies. >>



I'm saying that some of these people believe homosexuals are perverted deviants who abuse children because of the same religion that tells them that priests are good, holy, and pure. We've seen in the past few weeks that while not all priests are good, holy, and pure, the Catholic church would rather have boys abused than the public know the truth.

Also, I think it shows there are more children hurt by exposure to priests than by having gay parents.

Gay parent's love their children
Some priests *love* children
 

Hanpan

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2000
4,812
0
0


<<

<< Please enlighten me as to where this irony lies. >>



I'm saying that some of these people believe homosexuals are perverted deviants who abuse children because of the same religion that tells them that priests are good, holy, and pure. We've seen in the past few weeks that while not all priests are good, holy, and pure, the Catholic church would rather have boys abused than the public know the truth.

Also, I think it shows there are more children hurt by exposure to priests than by having gay parents.

Gay parent's love their children
Some priests *love* children
>>




I will be the first to admit the catholic church is not perfect. IN fact to err is human. I do see your point but I don;t think anywhere have I mentioned that I believe homosexuals are child abusers. I think that that their behavior is wrong but that does not make them perverted. Again what homosexuals do in their homes is none of my business. But I believe that they should not raise children just as I believe that not all preists are good and holy and they will have to atone for their misdeeds. (the preists.)


 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
23,168
0
71


<< I will be the first to admit the catholic church is not perfect. IN fact to err is human. I do see your point but I don;t think anywhere have I mentioned that I believe homosexuals are child abusers. I think that that their behavior is wrong but that does not make them perverted. Again what homosexuals do in their homes is none of my business. But I believe that they should not raise children just as I believe that not all preists are good and holy and they will have to atone for their misdeeds. (the preists.) >>



so basically in ur opinion, the fact that male homosexuals practice sodomy, no matter how discrete or how quiet, in the privacy fo their own bedroom that this act will somehow SEEEP into the very fiber and being of the children and HARM them.

face it people sexual intercourse is just another bodily function. how a couple treats each other, with love and respect should be more important that the bodily function that happens between them in the privacy of their bedrooms. most men practice masturbation, how far is that from homosexuality? that's a male hand on a male organ. hmmmm. should all men that practice masturbation in the privacy of their own bedrooms be disallowed from adopting?

is the act of sexual intercourse that is immoral or is it the hedonistic, licentious lifestyle (that many heterosexuals are guilty of) that is the real danger to children?

what about the string of child pornographers that was just arrested in new york today. most of them were normal every day people with every day jobs, there was a priest, a cop, a grocer, etc etc involved. are they worse than homosexuals.

bottom line hanpan, you have no argument except that in YOUR OPINION homosexuals are morally depraved.
 

Geekbabe

Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Oct 16, 1999
32,200
2,452
126
www.theshoppinqueen.com


<< <<Tonight while you sit there all well fed and happy in your nice house typing away at your computer patting yourself on the back for denouncing gays and makiing wild speculations as to the imoorality of the homosexual lifestyle and ranting about what your God wants, there's a kid sitting in a crummy foster home while a perfectly acceptable gay couple who would gladly adopt him/her is turned away.>>

Proof? j/k

I've met some upstanding women who happen to live alone and appear to be lesbian. I bet some of them would make outstanding mothers, regardless if they are lesbian. As long as they didn't have a live-in male or female companion I have no problem with a responsible adult in this case. Part of that responsibility would be to not allow themselves to have sex partners spend the night (or vice cersa) in the presence of the child, nor for them to spend the night away from home while the child is babysat. In a perfect world they'd abstain from sex until the child leaves the nest.

Red Dawn's case by case basis for adoption would surely cover these points already. I just abhor allowing live-in lovers, regardless how upstanding the lover would be outside their household, to participate in raising children. Its not like the live-in lover would necessarily be suited to stay throughout the child's maturing years. Who is to stop that person from leaving when they get tired of the circumstances? Domestic arguments do happen even among homosexual lovers.

If there are too many foster children out there compared to the number of foster parents then the media needs to know. So far this hasn't been something the media has talked about. I'd suggest making the story well known if its such a problem in your community.
>>




Shortage of qualified foster homes is a nationwide sort of problem


Seattle

California


Wisconsin



Massachusetts




Nebraska
 

Geekbabe

Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Oct 16, 1999
32,200
2,452
126
www.theshoppinqueen.com


<<

<< Easy to say from the comfort of your computer chair !!!

That you would consign children to lives of misery ,that it be prerable to you that they be abused and mistreated just so long as we keep em away from gay people disgusts and sickens me !!!!


You know jokes are made here about how Red Dawn and other more colorful posters are hate filled, well from where I sit they're a love in, as the real hate filled ones reveal themselves here !!


I'm going for a walk, that such well educated people can so smugly speak and act this way makes my blood boil ! :|
>>



I did not say that they should not be removed from such circumstances. I have not been made aware of a shortage of foster parents/those willing to adopt. In fact I have heard there is a shortage of children to fill the wishes of many who wish to adopt.

YOu are right about the computer chair. It is easy fto talk. However I am sure that Mother Teresa would hold the same views. Furthermore there are worse plights. WHat of the children that suffer and die in poverty in teh poorest of countries. IT is largely because of greed that this is brought about. Yet we seem concerned only about the children of our own nations. Tell me are afgahni children less valuable than american children. DO they have less of a right to a decent upbringing. Tell me of the countless unborn children that are murdered because they where a choice. Are they less abused. Are they worth less or even completetly worthless.
>>




Your attempt to turn me away from discussion of the lack of compassion being shown here is feeble. Of course I have concern for all children, however the children currently under discussion live here in the USA. There is indeed a shortage of foster homes, and if you can't find temp homes for children how on earth are you to find adoptive homes?


Facts are that foster children are not all cute babies and toddlers I believe that about 1/3 of the kids needing homes are teenagers. We have kids being shunted from emergency shelter to emergency shelter ,their belongings in garbage bags.
That you would consider this better than the allowing of otherwise qualified gay/lesbian parents to adopt/foster saddens me .
 

Hanpan

Diamond Member
Aug 17, 2000
4,812
0
0


<< Shortage of qualified foster homes is a nationwide sort of problem >>



I cannot speak for the Unites States of America as I do not reside there.

PaltinumGold there is more to the homosexual lifestyle than the act. It is the overall atitude of "if it feels good do it" that is more damageing than any bodily functions. Even homosexuals will tell you, homosexuality is more than just the act of intercourse. I agree it is silly to say that two people of the sex having intercourse damages children. It doesn't as long as they don;t know it. But again there is mroe to the matter. For example I firmly belive children need both a mother and a father figuire (even if not their natural parents.) I feel a male acting as the female partner or a female acting as the male partner doesn;t cut it. I also never mentioned sodomy. Frankly where you stick parts of you body is again none of my business. (I am not inferring you are of a homosexual persuasion. I mean in general).As for child porn I agree is it just as bad if not worse but that is not what is being discussed. If you choose to make a thread about that I would be happy to participate. Finally I have never argued more than my opinion misguided as it may seem to you.


Sorry Baffled2 I did not read you post properly.

I though you were talking about adoption not foster care. As far as foster care goes, It is my opinion that once children have reached the age of sexual consent they should choose for themselves wether or not they want to live with homosexual foster caretakers. Until then it is my belief that children should only be addminted to heterosexual foster parents.
 

Geekbabe

Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Oct 16, 1999
32,200
2,452
126
www.theshoppinqueen.com


<< Han Pan, did not the Supreme Court not just (again) uphold the ban on sodomy? ;) >>



Hmmm.. you seem much more interested in discussing sodomy than you do abused,neglected children in need of homes that it really is makig me start to wonder about you
rolleye.gif