Comcast’s data caps are ‘just low enough to punish streaming’

Reasonable Doubt

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If you’re a cord cutter who lives in an area where Comcast has implemented its data caps and you constantly find yourself running up against your monthly limit, there may be a good reason for that. The Associated Press recently published an interesting report on Comcast’s plan to meter the Internet through data caps and what really stuck out for me was a quote from one Comcast customer who pointed out that these caps are just the right size to discourage people from getting all their television through streaming services instead of through a traditional cable TV package.


“I think the idea of limiting your usage is absolutely insane,” Comcast customer Matthew Pulsipher told The Associated Press. “It would make sense if the cap was 2 terabytes, but 300 is just low enough to punish streaming.”

This isn’t just the anecdote of some broadband hog who’s streaming 4K porn through his computer all day. I’ve been seeing lots of stories of cord cutters who suddenly find themselves facing the threat of overage fees because their decision to watch TV over the web is now being subjected to limits.

Take this report from Stop the Cap earlier this month about Florida residents who suddenly found that they had to adjust their streaming habits after Comcast started subjecting them to a 300GB monthly cap.

“It’s no surprise what they are targeting with these caps,” explained Florida-based Comcast subscriber Austin Chilson. “If you watch Netflix or Hulu on a regular basis, 300GB is not enough. Netflix alone is responsible for about 17GB of video usage during the first three days of the month.”

The FCC also recently published a series of complaints about data caps from Comcast customers who similarly said that watching Netflix and downloading PlayStation 4 games from the web was easily enough to blow through their monthly limits.

Comcast, of course, would like us to believe that these caps are all about “fairness” and limiting the negative impact that all those greedy data hogs are having on its network, which apparently is as fragile as a tulip on a chilly winter’s eve. In reality, of course, this is all about trying to mitigate the effects that cord cutting is having on Comcast’s traditional pay TV business.

Comcast tells the AP that roughly 8% of its customers go over 300GB per month but you can definitely expect that number to increase the more people rely on streaming services for television. And once more people start buying 4K TVs and watching Netflix streams in 4K, then 300GB per month will seem like absolutely nothing.

It’s not just cord cutters that will increasingly feel the pinch but gamers as well. Consider that the digital download of Grand Theft Auto V weighs in at just under 49GB, which means that downloading just one game can blow through 16% of your monthly cap.

So it’s not entirely accurate to say that Comcast’s data caps are just low enough to punish streaming because they’re also low enough to hinder advances in online commerce such as digital game downloads as well. That may be Comcastic news for at least one company but the rest of us shouldn’t be happy about it.


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master_shake_

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change companies.

oh wait.

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it's like they carved out a map of who can have what territory.

kinda like a cartel.
 
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Svnla

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My friends with Comcast told me the same thing about 300 GB limit recently. More competition is needed. Google Fiber is only in 3 US cities for now.

My local cable has 250 GB cap and I am ok with it for now because no streaming for me <yet>. My last 6 months usage was 50 GB per month or less.
 
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XavierMace

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Not sure why Comcast is being singled out here, 300Gb is a pretty normal cap. It's what they do after you hit that cap that may vary. I blew through my "cap" with Cox on a regular basis with no ill effect sometimes by as much as double.
 

John Connor

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'Cord cutting' means DirectTV, right? The hopper sounds nice.

I don't stream myself, but the $200/month Comcrap bill is outrages. Especially when there isn't shit on the weekends.

I have "triple play."
 

mnewsham

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300Gb is a pretty normal cap

Where?

Around here your choice is Verizon FiOS or Comcast.

Comcast has a 300GB cap, Verizon has no cap.

Comcast offers up to 505Mb/s download and 100Mb/s upload.

Verizon offers up to 500Mb/s download and 500Mb/s upload.


For $65 from either company you get 150Mb/s download, Verizon gives you 150Mb/s upload as well for that price, Comcast gives you 10Mb/s upload.


So to sum it up, Comcast is the only one with caps, and their upload speeds are FAR lower than verizon, which has no cap, for the same price.
 

JSt0rm

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We have 3 Internet service providers in la. It's great. I get 200mb down and 20mb up for $55 a month.
 
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I'd switch to anything that wasn't Comcast simply because it's not comcast, but the next fastest internet I can get at home is 1.5Mbps DSL.

I don't know why, but yeah, fuck you too CenturyLink.
 

Charmonium

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I have Cablevision/Optimum and there are no caps but they were recently bought by a French company so my guess is that they're going to start to try milking us too. I think fios will be available soon though so at least I'll have something resembling a choice.
 

local

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We have 3 Internet service providers in la. It's great. I get 200mb down and 20mb up for $55 a month.

One provider, AT&T. 6mb @ $65/month. No cap at least, but at that speed how could I hit it?
 

Pulsar

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I would switch to ANYONE who was able to offer broadband - because we still don't have it. 1 mile from comcast, but they won't extend. 1 mile from verizon on the other side, but they won't extend. 1 mile from frontier on the south, but they won't extend.
 

KeithP

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Pay the extra $30 per month for unlimited and split the cost with your neighbor...problem solved.

-KeithP
 

JEDIYoda

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If you&#8217;re a cord cutter who lives in an area where Comcast has implemented its data caps and you constantly find yourself running up against your monthly limit, there may be a good reason for that. The Associated Press recently published an interesting report on Comcast&#8217;s plan to meter the Internet through data caps and what really stuck out for me was a quote from one Comcast customer who pointed out that these caps are just the right size to discourage people from getting all their television through streaming services instead of through a traditional cable TV package.


&#8220;I think the idea of limiting your usage is absolutely insane,&#8221; Comcast customer Matthew Pulsipher told The Associated Press. &#8220;It would make sense if the cap was 2 terabytes, but 300 is just low enough to punish streaming.&#8221;

This isn&#8217;t just the anecdote of some broadband hog who&#8217;s streaming 4K porn through his computer all day. I&#8217;ve been seeing lots of stories of cord cutters who suddenly find themselves facing the threat of overage fees because their decision to watch TV over the web is now being subjected to limits.

Take this report from Stop the Cap earlier this month about Florida residents who suddenly found that they had to adjust their streaming habits after Comcast started subjecting them to a 300GB monthly cap.

&#8220;It&#8217;s no surprise what they are targeting with these caps,&#8221; explained Florida-based Comcast subscriber Austin Chilson. &#8220;If you watch Netflix or Hulu on a regular basis, 300GB is not enough. Netflix alone is responsible for about 17GB of video usage during the first three days of the month.&#8221;

The FCC also recently published a series of complaints about data caps from Comcast customers who similarly said that watching Netflix and downloading PlayStation 4 games from the web was easily enough to blow through their monthly limits.

Comcast, of course, would like us to believe that these caps are all about &#8220;fairness&#8221; and limiting the negative impact that all those greedy data hogs are having on its network, which apparently is as fragile as a tulip on a chilly winter&#8217;s eve. In reality, of course, this is all about trying to mitigate the effects that cord cutting is having on Comcast&#8217;s traditional pay TV business.

Comcast tells the AP that roughly 8% of its customers go over 300GB per month but you can definitely expect that number to increase the more people rely on streaming services for television. And once more people start buying 4K TVs and watching Netflix streams in 4K, then 300GB per month will seem like absolutely nothing.

It&#8217;s not just cord cutters that will increasingly feel the pinch but gamers as well. Consider that the digital download of Grand Theft Auto V weighs in at just under 49GB, which means that downloading just one game can blow through 16% of your monthly cap.

So it&#8217;s not entirely accurate to say that Comcast&#8217;s data caps are just low enough to punish streaming because they&#8217;re also low enough to hinder advances in online commerce such as digital game downloads as well. That may be Comcastic news for at least one company but the rest of us shouldn&#8217;t be happy about it.


http://bgr.com/2015/10/28/why-is-comcast-so-bad-57/
awwwwww boohoo
 

XavierMace

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Where?

Around here your choice is Verizon FiOS or Comcast.

Comcast: 300Gb
Cox: Varies depending on your plan.
CenturyLink: 150Gb.
Verizon: Doesn't have a set cap, but does start warning for excessive usage
AT&T DSL: 150Gb.
AT&T UVerse: 250Gb.
 

Red Squirrel

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The idea of caps piss me off. I really hope my ISP never decides to implement them. What these companies are basically doing is acting like energy companies. Charge an expensive base fee (delivery, debt retirement fee and all the other crap that gets added to your hydro and gas bill) but then also charging for usage on top of it.

It's one thing for energy companies to do it because the energy actually has a per unit cost associated with it, but the way ISPs and even tier 1 providers charge for bandwidth is ridiculous. There is only a 1 time cost for them to upgrade bandwidth (at least for the tier 1's). And if they're going to cap it, at least cap it at something reasonable like 5TB. 200GB which seems to be a standard cap is laughable considering they boast their super high speeds. If you actually USE that connection 200GB is not much. Heck, I did like 2 TB in a couple days once (I was testing my new fibre connection :p ) 200GB cap would have been reasonable in the dialup or DSL days, but not with 50+ mbps connections.

Just casual internet usage, in the last 30 days I did about 100GB in and 500GB out. I'm glad my ISP has no caps and I don't have to actually limit my usage. I did about 2TB in a couple days once. I was just testing my new speeds. :p
 

Brian Stirling

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Exactly, when 4K video streaming catches on not only will you be hitting data caps real quick, but everyone else on the network is going to wait and wait and wait for web pages to paint.

PREDICTION:

Comcast may be the only large provider with data caps but I'd anticipate that the rest of them will follow suit. And then at some point we'll see direct metered billing -- or pay for what you use.

I stream a little video, mostly Youtube, but limit my usage and come no where near hitting data caps but I OFTEN have piss poor internet performance particularly in the early evening as people increase streaming after work. I'm not streaming but my internet experience sucks during this time.


Brian
 

Red Squirrel

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Really I think the biggest thing with internet is they need to open it up for competition. Anyone who wants to start an ISP should be allowed to and have full access to run fibre, build COs, etc. It would still need to be regulated in some way to avoid a huge mess of wires throughout cities, but it could be done if some thought went into it.

Of course, governments don't care about people, only corporations, and I'm sure ISPs give them a lot of money to ensure competition can't happen.
 

Sonikku

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Really I think the biggest thing with internet is they need to open it up for competition. Anyone who wants to start an ISP should be allowed to and have full access to run fibre, build COs, etc. It would still need to be regulated in some way to avoid a huge mess of wires throughout cities, but it could be done if some thought went into it.

Of course, governments don't care about people, only corporations, and I'm sure ISPs give them a lot of money to ensure competition can't happen.

Why do you hate capitalism? Why do you hate America? :colbert: