Columbine shooting and related shows regarding the situation

[minendo]

These shows piss me off. Many people immediately jump to the conclusion that movies, tv, music and video games cause these problems. I understand your concerns, but how many highschool students are subjected to these movies, songs, video games, and tv shows do not go to school and shoot fellow students?

 

[rival]

gotta blame somethin, even though i think it sucks that that type of media gets blamed...
it rests souly on the parents or lack there of

yes, im drunk

 

[FelixDeCat]

Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

I, for one, am glad religion is left out of school. I can take only so much god talk, but at a point bible banging is enough.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: rival
gotta blame somethin, even though i think it sucks that that type of media gets blamed...
it rests souly on the parents or lack there of

yes, im drunk

Your comments are to superioir to anything 50% of the country has to say on the subject.

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

I, for one, am glad religion is left out of school. I can take only so much god talk, but at a point bible banging is enough.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

Talk about ignorant.....

Parental supervision, and advice, on how to deal with life's details is what really matters. For example, my parents made sure that I recognized the effects of using drugs in a very effective way. I most likely will never dabble in them for my entire life.


Just because these things exist does not mean that THEY should be held responsible for EVERYTHING.


This country has a large percentage of idiots, so they characteristically blame the first thing that looks suspicious....



DID I JUST DEFEND PORN?😕

Seriously though, it all rests on the parents.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

Talk about ignorant.....

Parental supervision, and advice, on how to deal with life's details is what really matters. For example, my parents made sure that I recognized the effects of using drugs in a very effective way. I most likely will never dabble in them for my entire life.


Just because these things exist does not mean that THEY should be held responsible for EVERYTHING.


This country has a large percentage of idiots, so they characteristically blame the first thing that looks suspicious....



DID I JUST DEFEND PORN?😕

Seriously though, it all rests on the parents.

Wait a minuet. Are you trying to flame me? You sir are an idiot. Of course its about responsibility. There is also nothing wrong with organized responsibility via a religeous belief.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Wait a minuet. Are you trying to flame me? You sir are an idiot. Of course its about responsibility. There is also nothing wrong with organized responsibility via a religeous belief.

This coming from a member who can not even correctly spell the user name of a banned member in his sig.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Wait a minuet. Are you trying to flame me? You sir are an idiot. Of course its about responsibility. There is also nothing wrong with organized responsibility via a religeous belief.

This coming from a member who can not even correctly spell the user name of a banned member is his sig.

Sure pile on why dont you.

BTW do you agree / disagree what???

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

Talk about ignorant.....

Parental supervision, and advice, on how to deal with life's details is what really matters. For example, my parents made sure that I recognized the effects of using drugs in a very effective way. I most likely will never dabble in them for my entire life.


Just because these things exist does not mean that THEY should be held responsible for EVERYTHING.


This country has a large percentage of idiots, so they characteristically blame the first thing that looks suspicious....



DID I JUST DEFEND PORN?😕

Seriously though, it all rests on the parents.

Wait a minuet. Are you trying to flame me? You sir are an idiot. Of course its about responsibility. There is also nothing wrong with organized responsibility via a religeous belief.

Unless that responsibility is not desired. I do not want ideas to be forced upon me or any future children.

I won't go into details, but "religious responsibility," in the incarnation I came to know throughout my childhood, was a disaster. I know its not right to apply my perhaps, unique experince, gnerally, but "my experince" consisted of quite a few churches.

In the end, your parents are the ones there when you wake up and when you got to bed. THEY have the biggest influence of your rational development.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Sure pile on why dont you.

BTW do you agree / disagree what???

Religion plays no part in this. If religion were so important I would expect all Catholic girls to easily put out and all Mormon girls to wait until marriage. That is not the situation though.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Sure pile on why dont you.

BTW do you agree / disagree what???

Religion plays no part in this. If religion were so important I would expect all Catholic girls to easily put out and all Mormon girls to wait until marriage. That is not the situation though.

*Sees the coming onslaught and slips away*

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Sure pile on why dont you.

BTW do you agree / disagree what???

Religion plays no part in this. If religion were so important I would expect all Catholic girls to easily put out and all Mormon girls to wait until marriage. That is not the situation though.

Well since you seem to be of the opinion about what doesnt cause homicidal sprees to happen, what do you think does? Some people, like myself, have suggested that personal responsiblilty to teach your kids right from wrong or letting them gain that education from religeon would certainly be helpful. Others have pointed the finger at our culture in general. What do you think it is?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

If we'd reduce the human population to intelligent, rational, social human beings it would clear up almost all problems there currently are. Of course this would mean killing all religious freaks like you, but I don't have a problem with that.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

If we'd reduce the human population to intelligent, rational, social human beings it would clear up almost all problems there currently are. Of course this would mean killing all religious freaks like you, but I don't have a problem with that.

As opposed to irreligeous freaks such as yourself? I beg to differ. And since when does a belief qualify one as a 'freak'?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

If we'd reduce the human population to intelligent, rational, social human beings it would clear up almost all problems there currently are. Of course this would mean killing all religious freaks like you, but I don't have a problem with that.

As opposed to irreligeous freaks such as yourself? I beg to differ. And since when does a belief qualify one as a 'freak'?

freak=extremist...prolly not you.

As it has been quoted to death, more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.


Religion itself has now become an institution; not just a place of enrichment, and therefore I wish to distance myself from that instituion because it continually depressed me in its failures.

Perhaps God is without fault, but as the bible repeatedly states, his children definitely are NOT.


That is why I choose to live without "religion." Honestly, sometimes I believe in God, sometimes I don't. Regardless, I feel that the supreme state that I can achieve is one in which I can superceed my weaknesses and suceed in society through brute strife and strength. If there is a God, that would be the most beautiful gift that I could give it.

I choose not to deal with religion, because the only inadaquacies I wish to deal with, the only demons I wish to face, are my own. There are definitely good people in church. The problem was that I got tired of wading through the bad people.

My take.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

If we'd reduce the human population to intelligent, rational, social human beings it would clear up almost all problems there currently are. Of course this would mean killing all religious freaks like you, but I don't have a problem with that.

As opposed to irreligeous freaks such as yourself? I beg to differ. And since when does a belief qualify one as a 'freak'?

You must be pretty stupid to believe in something like the Bible. Or any other religious book for that matter.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

If we'd reduce the human population to intelligent, rational, social human beings it would clear up almost all problems there currently are. Of course this would mean killing all religious freaks like you, but I don't have a problem with that.

As opposed to irreligeous freaks such as yourself? I beg to differ. And since when does a belief qualify one as a 'freak'?

You must be pretty stupid to believe in something like the Bible. Or any other religious book for that matter.

Stupidity has nothing to do with it. It comes back to your parents. Whatever they teach you you take for truth unless you know better. Many people don't know better.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

If we'd reduce the human population to intelligent, rational, social human beings it would clear up almost all problems there currently are. Of course this would mean killing all religious freaks like you, but I don't have a problem with that.

As opposed to irreligeous freaks such as yourself? I beg to differ. And since when does a belief qualify one as a 'freak'?

You must be pretty stupid to believe in something like the Bible. Or any other religious book for that matter.

Stupidity has nothing to do with it. It comes back to your parents. Whatever they teach you you take for truth unless you know better. Many people don't know better.

That's one of the things I see as being stupid: The inability or refusal to actually think about things, but instead take everything you are told by some moron as the truth.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: minendo
These shows piss me off. Many people immediately jump to the conclusion that movies, tv, music and video games cause these problems. I understand your concerns, but how many highschool students are subjected to these movies, songs, video games, and tv shows do not go to school and shoot fellow students?

u mean shows like those news magazines? 20/20 primetime dateline etc?

they gotta fill 60 minutes of dead air time...

their audience is generally older, some who have no experience with video games, let alone the current generation of 3d sweetness. easily manipulated. outrage sells.. as always😛

in the 50s some kid went up in a clock tower with a snipers rifle in texas and started taking out students and well most anyone. i somehow doubt he had video games.

don't even bring up religion.. just look at the hell hole that is the middle east. theres nothing worse then someone thats convinced that he's killing you in the name of god.

course i could end this by bringing up hitler 😉

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: rival
gotta blame somethin, even though i think it sucks that that type of media gets blamed...
it rests souly on the parents or lack there of

yes, im drunk

Exposure to constant ridicule/bullying in school, lack of structure at home, and access to weapons is what causes things like columbine to happen.

There is always a desire to get revenge on someone that has wronged you, if you are a pissed off kid with no one to turn to but yourself (thats good for the old self esteem im sure) anything can happen ranging from minor depression all the way to suicide and columbine.

 

[Red Dawn]

This is no epidemic.It is not as if there are thousands of cases where some sexually repressed Teenager flips their lids and massacre hundreds of their fellow students, it is only a handful. In any society there are going to be a few nutjobs. The difference is that with Firearms it only takes a handful of nutjobs to wreck havoc.

Of course everytime a kid dies that means there is once less individual to pay for my Social Security.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is no epidemic.It is not as if there are thousands of cases where some sexually repressed Teenager flips their lids and massacre hundreds of their fellow students, it is only a handful. In any society there are going to be a few nutjobs. The difference is that with Firearms it only takes a handful of nutjobs to wreck havoc.

Of course everytime a kid dies that means there is once less individual to pay for my Social Security.

... or flip your burgers, polish your hubcaps, or dispense the hand towels in the upper-class restaurants. Let's face it - none of these kids were going anywhere in life besides lifetime employment at McDonald's and a welfare cheque. And no, Felix, not even religion would have "saved" them. 😛

- M4H

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Actually the lack of religeon in schools and the resulting lack of respect for life, online porn, etc creates a perfect environment for things like this to foment.

Last I knew, public schools were for the teaching and educating of children. I wasn't aware spiritual guidance was a requirement of that. And, you know why? Because it's not. Here's a definition of school from Merriam-Webster:

: an organization that provides instruction: as a : an institution for the teaching of children b : COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY c (1) : a group of scholars and teachers pursuing knowledge together that with similar groups constituted a medieval university (2) : one of the four faculties of a medieval university (3) : an institution for specialized higher education often associated with a university <the school of engineering> d : an establishment offering specialized instruction <a secretarial school> <driving schools>

Where in there does it state spiritual guidance or teaching of religious beliefs? It *doesn't*

Spiritual guidance comes from parents, churches, synagogues, personal reflection. Adding a one-minute moment of silence/prayer in school in the morning isn't going to magically transform a troubled child into a Dudley Do-Right!

And how in the f*ck does online porn cause someone to shoot up a school?!?! 😕
Give me ONE link proving a causal effect of porn to shooting up a school.

Get a clue!

Oh, and btw, it's spelled 'religion'.