Colorado Governor signs Gun COntrol Bill; Magpul announces they are moving.

[KB]

Look like it happened.

"Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper on Wednesday signed three gun-control measures into law, including one that will require universal background checks for gun sales.

The measures also will make buyers pay for their own background checks and limit ammunition magazines to 15 rounds."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/us/colorado-gun-control/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


And Magpul said they are moving pmag manufacturing outside CO.

https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/574891122523241

"We will start our transition out of the state almost immediately, and we will prioritize moving magazine manufacturing operations first. We expect the first PMAGs to be made outside CO within 30 days of the signing, with the rest to follow in phases."


It will be ineteresting to see what, if anything, happens. They make their money selling things that are now illegal in the state so they need to move in order to keep up their business model. I am not sure there is enough gun industry in CO to make a big difference though.

 

[nehalem256]

The measures also will make buyers pay for their own background checks and limit ammunition magazines to 15 rounds."

At least they appear to have picked a magazine limit that allows most handguns to be legal unlike NY.

 

[Nebor]

What a disastrous outcome for the state of Colorado. They'll lose $85M a year in taxes from the the Magpul corporation (more than they lost in federal funding due to the sequestor,) plus the jobs and subsequent taxes\spending that those bring. AND, as if the legislation was ineffective enough on it's own, Magpul has pledged that up until the CO ban goes into effect, they will make flooding CO with magazines their highest priority.

A total fail, all the way around. The people of CO need to start a recall movement and eject their legislators at the next election.

 

[Jaskalas]

I disagree with this sort of law, but I also respect the right of the States to experiment to see what works. However, this does rub up against the second amendment so there is plenty of debate to be had on it.

I support companies and people voting with their feet.

 

[glenn1]

The measures also will make buyers pay for their own background checks and limit ammunition magazines to 15 rounds."

I'd love to see how they'll enforce that law for private sales. It will be fun to watch the shitstorm that ensues when even more weapons get brought in from neighboring states and sold over the counter by third party non-FFL holders.

 

[harrkev]

All Colorado residents: I need a LOT of help. Don't just whine and complain, DO SOMETHING!!!

I have started a forum that I intend to be a gathering place for people who are trying to get Hickenlooper recalled. I intend to have forms for download, FAQs, and regional forums where people can discuss the logistics of getting nearly 1/2 million signatures. I want to take action, but I cannot do this alone. I need help and media attention. Facebook posts and tweets are very much appreciated.

http://recallhickenlooper.org

Thanks.

 

[jpeyton]

Glad to see Magpul stick to their guns. This might scare some other states from passing similar laws when they see that pro-gunners mean business.

Round 2 of scaring these anti-gun MF'ers straight will be the 2014 elections. I hope Hickenlooper enjoys his last term.

If I owned a retail shop right across Colorado state lines, now would be a good time to stock up on any 16+ round magazines. After the unenforceable HB1224 takes effect, Coloradans will have to take a little drive to buy their standard capacity magazines.

 

[OutHouse]

Chickenlooper is such a piece of shit. My sheriff was on the news flat out telling the piece of shit that these laws are against the federal and state constitutions.

those laws he passes are so fucking poorly written that they can be interpreted that if i go hunting and i let my buddy use my shotgun i just committed a crime because no background check was done.

im writing my reps on getting his stupid fucking ass impeached.

 

[jpeyton]

At least they appear to have picked a magazine limit that allows most handguns to be legal unlike NY.

All this means is that they are on the NY/CA path. Legislators will use the next shooting as an excuse to ratchet down the limit. CO will be at <10 rounds soon enough, unless voters there start voting people like Fields and Hickenlooper out of office.

 

[OutHouse]

All Colorado residents: I need a LOT of help. Don't just whine and complain, DO SOMETHING!!!

I have started a forum that I intend to be a gathering place for people who are trying to get Hickenlooper recalled. I intend to have forms for download, FAQs, and regional forums where people can discuss the logistics of getting nearly 1/2 million signatures. I want to take action, but I cannot do this alone. I need help and media attention. Facebook posts and tweets are very much appreciated.

http://recallhickenlooper.org

Thanks.

hell yea im with you brother.

 

[Pantoot]

Gotta love it:

With the signing of the HB 1224, we want to reassure Colorado residents, now officially in occupied territory, that the "Boulder Airlift" will continue until we can no longer legally ship to CO residents at the approach of the July 1 deadline, so long as demand continues.

We are looking at additional ways to give Coloradans the opportunity to buy the magazines they need prior to the enactment date, as although we've been swamped with tens of thousands of orders, our shipping department limitations have only allowed us to get a few hundred thousand magazines out to CO residents...a small portion of our monthly production. We'll continue to support the Airlift as long as demand exists, and up to the active date of the legislation, and we've allocated a little over a million magazines for the effort up to that point, give or take.

Customers in the rest of the country should rest assured that the airlift only takes a small portion of our production, and magazines and other products are continuing to ship to the rest of the nation. Our transition to a new home will occur in a phased and orderly a manner to allow us to continue to serve our customers during the move, as well as to allow an orderly transition for affected employees. We are actively working on those plans.

 

[OutHouse]

At least they appear to have picked a magazine limit that allows most handguns to be legal unlike NY.

umm no. the instock magazine i have on my 70 year old .22 short Rifle that my grandfather gave me that holds 18 rounds is now illegal.

 

[OutHouse]

If I owned a retail shop right across Colorado state lines, now would be a good time to stock up on any 16+ round magazines. After the unenforceable HB1224 takes effect, Coloradans will have to take a little drive to buy their standard capacity magazines.

they will be right across the Wyoming state line right next to the big ass black cat firework warehouses.

 

[jpeyton]

 

[harrkev]

umm no. the instock magazine i have on my 70 year old .22 short Rifle that my grandfather gave me that holds 18 rounds is now illegal.

I think that there is an examption for .22 rifles...

Remember: http://recallhickenlooper.org

 

[dmcowen674]

Look like it happened.

"Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper on Wednesday signed three gun-control measures into law, including one that will require universal background checks for gun sales.

The measures also will make buyers pay for their own background checks and limit ammunition magazines to 15 rounds."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/us/colorado-gun-control/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


And Magpul said they are moving pmag manufacturing outside CO.

https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/574891122523241

"We will start our transition out of the state almost immediately, and we will prioritize moving magazine manufacturing operations first. We expect the first PMAGs to be made outside CO within 30 days of the signing, with the rest to follow in phases."


It will be ineteresting to see what, if anything, happens. They make their money selling things that are now illegal in the state so they need to move in order to keep up their business model. I am not sure there is enough gun industry in CO to make a big difference though.

Too bad, really like Denver and Colorado when lived there.

A shame and ironic.

Colorado is part of the old West, a key part of it's history is being stripped away by people that would rather roll over on their backs than stand up like real men.

 

[jpeyton]

Hickenlooper's Facebook was getting so slammed with negative comments that he took it offline.

He's toast. Good riddance.

At last count, I think the comment ratio was 25:1 against. I whole lot of "you lost my vote" and "I will not comply".

EDIT: Meh, it's back up now. https://www.facebook.com/JohnHickenlooper His handlers are deleting comments very quickly.

 

[michal1980]

pot = good
guns = bad.

liberal mind.

 

[OutHouse]

I wrote my state rep Gardner and state senator Brophy demanding Chickenlooper be impeached and the bills he signed today repealed.

 

[NoStateofMind]

All Colorado residents: I need a LOT of help. Don't just whine and complain, DO SOMETHING!!!

I have started a forum that I intend to be a gathering place for people who are trying to get Hickenlooper recalled. I intend to have forms for download, FAQs, and regional forums where people can discuss the logistics of getting nearly 1/2 million signatures. I want to take action, but I cannot do this alone. I need help and media attention. Facebook posts and tweets are very much appreciated.

http://recallhickenlooper.org

Thanks.

Go at this shitbird with everything you got. Send a message to these overzealous, overbearing non constitution reading, oath breaking monsters that things like this will not be tolerated!

 

[NoStateofMind]

I wrote my state rep Gardner and state senator Brophy demanding Chickenlooper be impeached and the bills he signed today repealed.

:thumbsup:

 

[LTC8K6]

I think that there is an examption for .22 rifles...

Remember: http://recallhickenlooper.org

It's good to know that mass murderers still have "high capacity" options in Colorado.

Magpul is going to ensure that there are plenty of 30 round PMAGS in Colorado for the foreseeable future.

 

[jackstar7]

I'd love to see how they'll enforce that law for private sales.

How about this: unless someone goes through a transfer of ownership process, then you just make the last known owner responsible for whatever happens with the weapon.

 

[jpeyton]

How about this: unless someone goes through a transfer of ownership process, then you just make the last known owner responsible for whatever happens with the weapon.

The last known owner can simply say they sold the firearm legally without a background check before the new laws took effect.

Remember that leaked memo from the Obama administration not too long ago. The one that said magazine bans and universal background checks are useless if you allow grandfathering of old magazines and don't require national registration.

Only firearms purchased from an FFL after July 1st will have some verifiable way of having the new transfer rules enforced. Otherwise you can simply say you transferred the firearm before the law took effect and nobody has any way of proving otherwise.

And without date stamped magazines (which nobody produces), HB1224 is completely unenforceable. Anybody found in possession of a 16+ round magazine can simply say they purchased it before the law took effect, and there is no way to prove otherwise.

 

[yllus]

Universal background checks seem like a reasonable, even wise measure. Having the applicant pay for the check seems possibly punitive but also possibly reasonable. The 15 round limit I'm ambivalent about.

Is opposition to these measures simply a reflection of a pro-Second Amendment view, or are there factual issues with what Mr. Hickenlooper has put into law? Because if it's simply because an existing line in the law books says so, that's not really a terrific reason.