Colon Cleaning - Does it work?

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
No, poly and mono unsaturated fats are very bad for your heart. In fact, throw out your Olive Oil and use Coconut Oil instead.

I'd like to know how true this is, considering it's always said to be the opposite.

BTW, why do you put olive oil, coconut oil and soybean in caps? 🙂

What that article didn't tell you is that soybean based oils break down with temperature (like when you cook) and you end up eating a bunch of trans-fatty acids and getting a bunch of free radicals in your body.

Yes, soybean oil can be good for you IF you eat it completely unaltered (no hydrogenation, no heating during extraction or before eating).

How about soy milk?

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: MX2times
I didnt read the enitre thread for a few reasons, but I will say this.

I think the whole colon cleansing thing is somewhat of a scam regarding the sale of the pills/drinks/items they are pushing (pun?) that are suppose to make you poop out what appears to be sludge and grim that they say is backed up and clinging to you intestine and colon tract.

I would be willing to bet those items you ingest actuallly create that sludge to make you think you did something wonderful and heathly for your body.

I know someone that used organic coffee grounds vs. some commercial product, and said he had black gooey junk coming out for days, that was not the coffee.

He also says soy isn't good for you (or most other oils including vege and coconut oil) and he uses a lot of olive oil. There was something on the news the other day about soy not being good, but it was a very short mention. I drink soy milk and was curious.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Aquila76

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: mwmorph
it should not be healthy. you are destroying the bacterial colonise in your intestines and flushing the entire lining. I was talking to my doctor friend the other day about this, and he said it's actually a pretty bad idea. You disrupt your natural digestive system, killing the 95% of helpful bacteria in your system, cause more stress to your body trying to replace those lost and let's face it, people have been fine for a few million years without this. It's like saying, I'm going in to your gallblader and flushing out all your bile. Should do more harm than good, and at the very least, wont help you.

As a rule of thumb, 99.95% of anything that is "As seen on tv" is not worth buying, otherwise they would be able to get their craptastic product into retail stores and doctor's offices.

QFT

Add another QFT to that.

Sure you might flush some extra toxins from your body but all you do is stress it more like stated above....the gain isnt worth the risk...besides you could give yourself a nasty intestinal infection as your natural flora grows back... or fvck with your electrolyte levels etc

Thirded QFT.
As someone with Crohn's Disease who has done extensive research on the inner workings of the digestive/intestinal tracts as if my life depended on it (because it does), these 'colon cleansing' treatments are severely detrimental to your overall health in the long run. I don't know who first came up with this idea or why people would encourage this, but they need to stop giving suggestions. As mwmorph says, you inflict a huge amount of distress to your system and can even run the risk of developing neurogenic muscle and tissue. That means the natural motion your digestive system makes ceases and everything just sits there, slowly impacting your bowels until the mass has to be surgically removed.

Wanna know a secret for removing supposed 'toxins' from your colon (and the rest of your body for that matter)? Drink plenty of water each day and get proper sleep. That will naturally and safely flush out anything in your body.

So question here. {raises hands and waves it around}

How is a colon cleanse any worse than taking anitibiotics? I know the few times my doc has given me antibiotics he told me to eat yogert after the bottle is gone to replace the good bacteria that the antibiotics has killed. couldnt you do the same after using a colon cleanse?

Oh, what a bout a colonic?

 

[CKent]

Dagta, you should stick to religion threads. The liver is the chief organ which removes toxins from the body and olive oil is indeed quite healthy. I'll bite my tongue about the religion<->science thing...

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Slickone

Originally posted by: DAGTA
No, poly and mono unsaturated fats are very bad for your heart. In fact, throw out your Olive Oil and use Coconut Oil instead.

I'd like to know how true this is, considering it's always said to be the opposite.

BTW, why do you put olive oil, coconut oil and soybean in caps? 🙂

What that article didn't tell you is that soybean based oils break down with temperature (like when you cook) and you end up eating a bunch of trans-fatty acids and getting a bunch of free radicals in your body.

Yes, soybean oil can be good for you IF you eat it completely unaltered (no hydrogenation, no heating during extraction or before eating).

How about soy milk?

It's possible to be true because most of the things you hear are the result of propaganda instead of truth. Of course, I'm sure you'll point out the same is possible for me, even though I have no monetary interest in coconut oil.

I put them in caps simply to highlight the words.

I don't know enough about soy milk so no opinion on that at this time.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Dagta, you should stick to religion threads. The liver is the chief organ which removes toxins from the body and olive oil is indeed quite healthy. I'll bite my tongue about the religion<->science thing...

Yes, the liver filters the blood, but the liver does not have an outlet from the body to dump the toxins. The liver sends them to the colon. If the colon is not functioning correctly, the toxins will not be removed efficiently.

Olive oil IS healthy so long as it's not heated. When it's heated, it alters.

yeah, yeah, everything I say MUST be wrong since I MUST be an idiot since I believe in God.. right. Are you afraid you might learn something if you open your mind just a tiny bit to the possibilities around you?

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
What about impacted fecal matter? Does that really exist?

Yep. My mother died of that in a nursing home. I believe it was caused by poor diet and lack of water. I think it would be hard for someone who is mobile to get like that.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Aquila76

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: mwmorph
it should not be healthy. you are destroying the bacterial colonise in your intestines and flushing the entire lining. I was talking to my doctor friend the other day about this, and he said it's actually a pretty bad idea. You disrupt your natural digestive system, killing the 95% of helpful bacteria in your system, cause more stress to your body trying to replace those lost and let's face it, people have been fine for a few million years without this. It's like saying, I'm going in to your gallblader and flushing out all your bile. Should do more harm than good, and at the very least, wont help you.

As a rule of thumb, 99.95% of anything that is "As seen on tv" is not worth buying, otherwise they would be able to get their craptastic product into retail stores and doctor's offices.

QFT

Add another QFT to that.

Sure you might flush some extra toxins from your body but all you do is stress it more like stated above....the gain isnt worth the risk...besides you could give yourself a nasty intestinal infection as your natural flora grows back... or fvck with your electrolyte levels etc

Thirded QFT.
As someone with Crohn's Disease who has done extensive research on the inner workings of the digestive/intestinal tracts as if my life depended on it (because it does), these 'colon cleansing' treatments are severely detrimental to your overall health in the long run. I don't know who first came up with this idea or why people would encourage this, but they need to stop giving suggestions. As mwmorph says, you inflict a huge amount of distress to your system and can even run the risk of developing neurogenic muscle and tissue. That means the natural motion your digestive system makes ceases and everything just sits there, slowly impacting your bowels until the mass has to be surgically removed.

Wanna know a secret for removing supposed 'toxins' from your colon (and the rest of your body for that matter)? Drink plenty of water each day and get proper sleep. That will naturally and safely flush out anything in your body.

So question here. {raises hands and waves it around}

How is a colon cleanse any worse than taking anitibiotics? I know the few times my doc has given me antibiotics he told me to eat yogert after the bottle is gone to replace the good bacteria that the antibiotics has killed. couldnt you do the same after using a colon cleanse?

Oh, what a bout a colonic?

well the antibiotisc dont cause you to imbalance the ellectrolytes and it dosent cause you to actually shed thel ining of your colon. That, and when you are sick, and you take a drug, some mild side effects are okay since it's working to the general good. When you are perfectly fine and you take a drug or treatment, there is something wrong since it places unnecessary stress on your system.

You dont take antibiotics for fun when you arent sick do you?

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Olive oil IS healthy so long as it's not heated. When it's heated, it alters.

That's why people who've done any sort of research buy cold pressed olive oil.

 

[Slickone]

From the article DeathBUA posted:
* Some studies have suggested that glycemic control worsens in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus who consume fish oil [25]. However, a meta-analysis of 26 trials found that the fish oil had no adverse effects on hemoglobin A1c in diabetics [26].
I'm concerned with this.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Slickone

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Olive oil IS healthy so long as it's not heated. When it's heated, it alters.

That's why people who've done any sort of research buy cold pressed olive oil.

And then what... they don't put it on hot pasta or use it for any sort of cooking? What do they do? Just eat salads with a fresh, refreshing glass of olive oil for dinner?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Slickone

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Olive oil IS healthy so long as it's not heated. When it's heated, it alters.

That's why people who've done any sort of research buy cold pressed olive oil.

And then what... they don't put it on hot pasta or use it for any sort of cooking? What do they do? Just eat salads with a fresh, refreshing glass of olive oil for dinner?

Yes. 🙂 Cold pressed olive oil is great with a side of bread. 🙂 Unfortunately, olive oil is not very stable and breaks down as it is heated creating trans-fats.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
wish theres blood vessel cleaning + artery cleaning.. eat a pill and all the fat inside goes away and you crap it out.. way to kill heart attacks =P

There is. Its called healthy eating. Your body can handle a certain amount of fat and if you stop pushing it all in it will work on the existing stuff.

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Slickone

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Olive oil IS healthy so long as it's not heated. When it's heated, it alters.

That's why people who've done any sort of research buy cold pressed olive oil.

And then what... they don't put it on hot pasta or use it for any sort of cooking? What do they do? Just eat salads with a fresh, refreshing glass of olive oil for dinner?

Yep, salads drenched in olive oil. I know someone that does so every single day for lunch (and that's his entire lunch). I think he does the same for dinner (+ a main course).
I do it often (before a meal).

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: DLeRium
wish theres blood vessel cleaning + artery cleaning.. eat a pill and all the fat inside goes away and you crap it out.. way to kill heart attacks =P

There is - consume a large amount of poly and mono unsaturated fats, i.e. Olive Oil.

unsaturated fats clean your arteries?? :shocked: I didn't know that.

I knew they were good for you and reduced cholesterol, but is the actual physical reason that it clean out your arteries?

I'm hoping SagaLore was being sarcastic. Seems like he was to me.

No, poly and mono unsaturated fats are very bad for your heart. In fact, throw out your Olive Oil and use Coconut Oil instead.

Proof of that?

Studies started showing this as far back as the 1960's but the Soybean industry has great marketing.

One book that summarizes much of the information (though the author has a tendency to repeat himself too much) is The Healing Miracles of Coconut Oil by Bruce Fife, foreword by Jon J. Kabar, Ph.D.

Soybean industry has good marketing? heheheh NOWHERE near as good a marketing as the Dairy Market and yes, Soy milk is WAY better for you than cows milk.

cows milk has almost no redeeming qualities. at best it's a 3rd or 4th best substitute for milk for feeding INFANTS, not for adults.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: DLeRium
wish theres blood vessel cleaning + artery cleaning.. eat a pill and all the fat inside goes away and you crap it out.. way to kill heart attacks =P

There is - consume a large amount of poly and mono unsaturated fats, i.e. Olive Oil.

unsaturated fats clean your arteries?? :shocked: I didn't know that.

I knew they were good for you and reduced cholesterol, but is the actual physical reason that it clean out your arteries?

I'm hoping SagaLore was being sarcastic. Seems like he was to me.

No, poly and mono unsaturated fats are very bad for your heart. In fact, throw out your Olive Oil and use Coconut Oil instead.

Proof of that?

Studies started showing this as far back as the 1960's but the Soybean industry has great marketing.

One book that summarizes much of the information (though the author has a tendency to repeat himself too much) is The Healing Miracles of Coconut Oil by Bruce Fife, foreword by Jon J. Kabar, Ph.D.

I have no doubt that coconut oil is good for you, I've read a few things saying it's a pretty good oil to use, however I want REAL studies proving that unsaturated fats are bad for you....as in something published in the BJM or NEJOM....something respectable....

Oh and the colon is basically for water and electrolyte balance....the liver and kidneys filter toxins.....get a clue before you post

Perhaps I'm not the clueless one in this thread, eh? 😉

As for the oils: the natives on various tropical islands that have a diet full of coconut have very low rates of heart disease. When those islands became westernized and the people stopped eating so much coconut and starting eating vegetable oils, their heart disease rates went way up. Same has been true in India. You wait for your 'REAL' studies. I'll make the changes to my diet now and not need to play catch-up with my health when the rest of you decide to believe things in 20 years.

koreans and japanese also have a much lower incidence of heart disease than in the good ole USofA. and their diet is primarily soy and fish based.

that was until recently with the explosion of western culture in korea. watch heart diseases increase dramatically over the next 10 yrs in korea due to their decrease in consumption of vegetable oil products and increase in meat products.

 

[Kadarin]

Colon Cleaning - Does it work?

Well, if the goal is to prevent feces from getting all over whatever is inserted in your anus during anal sexual activity, then yes, it does.

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Colon Cleaning - Does it work?

Well, if the goal is to prevent feces from getting all over whatever is inserted in your anus during anal sexual activity, then yes, it does.

I think that's just a saline enema. Not meant to remove years worth of built up toxins; just to remove loose fecal matter.
Coffee enema

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: RBachman
Dagta, you should stick to religion threads. The liver is the chief organ which removes toxins from the body and olive oil is indeed quite healthy. I'll bite my tongue about the religion<->science thing...

Yes, the liver filters the blood, but the liver does not have an outlet from the body to dump the toxins. The liver sends them to the colon. If the colon is not functioning correctly, the toxins will not be removed efficiently.

Olive oil IS healthy so long as it's not heated. When it's heated, it alters.

yeah, yeah, everything I say MUST be wrong since I MUST be an idiot since I believe in God.. right. Are you afraid you might learn something if you open your mind just a tiny bit to the possibilities around you?

I couldn't care less what you believe, and certainly don't judge people based on it. I made that comment because of your ... enthusiasm about the subject.

The colon really isn't a complex organ, I'm sure you've seen garbage chutes? Assuming you're not dehydrated to the point of it clogging up, its function is pretty much guaranteed. Your claim still belies ignorance whether you'll admit it or not... and whether you try to draw attention away from it by painting me as a religion hater or not 😉

Your embrace of coconut oil is humorous though, reminds me of the butter & margarine camps in the 80s, each furiously wielding study results "proving" them right :laugh: My family, like many others of a Mediterranean background, lives on olive oil, heated or not, and we all seem to manage to live to a ripe old age.

ps. On being 'afraid of learning something' - thanks for your offer, but I'm really not interested in the "science" of ID.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: RBachman
I couldn't care less what you believe, and certainly don't judge people based on it. I made that comment because of your ... enthusiasm about the subject.

The colon really isn't a complex organ, I'm sure you've seen garbage chutes? Assuming you're not dehydrated to the point of it clogging up, its function is pretty much guaranteed. Your claim still belies ignorance whether you'll admit it or not... and whether you try to draw attention away from it by painting me as a religion hater or not 😉

Your embrace of coconut oil is humorous though, reminds me of the butter & margarine camps in the 80s, each furiously wielding study results "proving" them right :laugh: My family, like many others of a Mediterranean background, lives on olive oil, heated or not, and we all seem to manage to live to a ripe old age.

ps. On being 'afraid of learning something' - thanks for your offer, but I'm really not interested in the "science" of ID.

What are you talking about? This thread was about colon cleaning, and then oils. Who brought up religion? You. Now you're bringing up ID (Intelligent Design). Why?

I think I understand why you brought up religion, it was an attempt to bash me because you obviously consider me an idiot. Nevermind that this thread had nothing to do with religion.

Now I'm a bit confused about ID, though. I'm guessing you're bringing it up because you think it furthers your attack on me. Yet, I don't recall ever posting in support of ID in a thread or argument with you. In fact, I don't recall posting much at all about ID since I have mixed feelings about it and believe there is a lot worth considering in the Theory of Evolution.

So, since you've managed to prove that you're so much more intelligent than me, care to explain to me how you took this thread from colon cleaning and oils to ID and why you brought up ID?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Now you're bringing up ID (Intelligent Design). Why?

You suggested that religion has something to teach me about science, I can only surmise that this is what you're speaking of. If I'm wrong, please let me know what it was you were referring to.

I think I understand why you brought up religion, it was an attempt to bash me because you obviously consider me an idiot.

You tend to bring religion up a lot. This thread touches on science, and you're spouting pseudoscience in it. 2+2=4, you know how it goes.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Now you're bringing up ID (Intelligent Design). Why?

You suggested that religion has something to teach me about science, I can only surmise that this is what you're speaking of. If I'm wrong, please let me know what it was you were referring to.

I think I understand why you brought up religion, it was an attempt to bash me because you obviously consider me an idiot.

You tend to bring religion up a lot. This thread touches on science, and you're spouting pseudoscience in it. 2+2=4, you know how it goes.

I'm not spouting pseudoscience. You could possibly actually find the book I referenced and take a look at it's references so you have a clue what you are talking about.

My comment about being, "afraid to learn something" had nothing to do with religion. That was your assumption. "afriad to learn something" refers to you being strictly closed minded. I suppose if a place like Harvard released one study you'd possibly change your mind.

If so, here's a couple of the references form the book:

Harvard Heart Letter 1998
Men's Health 1999
New England Journal of Medicine 1969
Philippine Journal of Internal Medicine 1992
British Journal of Nutrition 1990

And there are 169 more references besides those five. I found those five in the first 20 I looked at.

Must be pseudoscience though, right?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: DAGTA
Now you're bringing up ID (Intelligent Design). Why?

You suggested that religion has something to teach me about science, I can only surmise that this is what you're speaking of. If I'm wrong, please let me know what it was you were referring to.

I think I understand why you brought up religion, it was an attempt to bash me because you obviously consider me an idiot.

You tend to bring religion up a lot. This thread touches on science, and you're spouting pseudoscience in it. 2+2=4, you know how it goes.

I'm not spouting pseudoscience. You could possibly actually find the book I referenced and take a look at it's references so you have a clue what you are talking about.

My comment about being, "afraid to learn something" had nothing to do with religion. That was your assumption. "afriad to learn something" refers to you being strictly closed minded. I suppose if a place like Harvard released one study you'd possibly change your mind.

If so, here's a couple of the references form the book:

Harvard Heart Letter 1998
Men's Health 1999
New England Journal of Medicine 1969
Philippine Journal of Internal Medicine 1992
British Journal of Nutrition 1990

And there are 169 more references besides those five. I found those five in the first 20 I looked at.

Must be pseudoscience though, right?

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