They are on the verge of bankruptcy because the politicians want to suck all of the profit out of it without reinvesting. They are required to do what no other government agency or private corporation is required to do.
AFAIK it doesn't matter. The USPS pays the same for job in Fargo as they do for a job in Manhattan, or nearly the same.
Mai72
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We live in New Jersey. I think USPS pay is uniform all over the country. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. $29 an hour might not sound like much in NJ, but imagine if you made that instate like Mississippi?
:awe:
Fritzo
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You forgot to capitalize the G and the N, and there is no verb in that sentence, meaning it is not a sentence...which would explain why you didn't add a period.
Federal pay has location bonuses based on cost of living. That said, it's generally not as much as the actual difference in cost of living, so a post office worker in Mississippi would make less than a NJ post office worker but have a higher standard of living anyway.
From what I've seen, Texas generally has the best ratio of pay to cost of living, while the heavily populated east coast is pretty bad, and reaches epic levels of bad when you get into the mecca of over population, NYC. (the major west coast areas can be worst for cost of living, but pay is higher than NYC)
Again, this is not correct. I have asked people who work for the USPS this question and they say they do not get any adjustment. I could be misremembering but it is either 0% or a very marginal amount.
You have to keep in mind that the USPS is a quasi-government entity. This means that they follow government policies only when it suits them.
The lack of any regional salaries for the USPS pay schedule seems to support this.
http://www.apwu.org/dept/ind-rel/pay/current/121117-ftr.pdf
BoomerD
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To be fair, the USPS doesn't pay that much for most jobs...
http://www.apwu.org/dept/ind-rel/pay/current/121117-ftr.pdf
(bah...fucking Fox5 beat me by seconds)
Where a postal worker makes their money is just like anybody else that is hourly, overtime. Add night differentia into that and you can make a decent amount.
The problem is that you likely have shitty days off, are always flipped on your nights/days (bad for your health) and in order to work that OT you have to work *a lot* of OT since the USPS has cut so many workers.
So really, it's a very unhealthy living.
People can get along without a college education, but can get along a lot better with one on average.
As far as people saying it is "a scam", get a fucking clue. It isn't a scam. It's knowledge and sure, you don't have to have one and some are smart enough to get along without one, but it does help people.
Now, is it worth the money you are paying now? It is reaching, or has reached the point for many degrees, where it is not worth it. If parents stopped and thought about that you'd let market pricing take charge and tuition would decline. As it is, they just let their kids become debt slaves for life, setting them up to do nothing but owe tens of thousands for decades upon decades.
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alkemyst
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He was lucky. I couldn't survive on $65k though.
Government jobs are golden, but limited.
Its is possible to get a degree for cheap just that most people choose to live it up in college and not work thus financing 4 years of school and living expenses. I know lots of people, myself included, who graduated without a penny of debt.
Mai72
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Why couldn't u survive on $65k? That's decent money for delivering paper. Plus, add in health/dental and a sweet retirement package. Do you have a million dollar estate, and drive a Bentley?
Mai72
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Well you must be the exception. We have over a trillion dollars in student loan debt.
z1ggy
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Graduate from your local 2 year run of the mill community college with an associates probably.
Nobody goes to a private 4 year and graduates with no debt unless mommy and daddy paid for it. Even state school with very good financial aid will still probably cost you around $10-15k for 4 years.
Again, not everybody should go to school. Who will do the shitty jobs that nobody else really wants to do? The uneducated/lazy/fuck ups. It's pointless for a life time burger flipper to get a degree. If anything they should get certifications or go to a tech school for welding, car repair, etc.
Went to a state school and got a BS and I ended up without a dime of debt and neither did the other 5 people who I worked with who also attended the same university. None of us were rich or anything like that. I was personally very poor being one of 3 kids of a single mom and I still managed. Its not impossible just takes lots of work and little sleep. Looking back on it I do not even know how I managed but somehow I did.
Not to disagree with what I think you mean. But from my perspective, the situation is more nuanced. For example:
In 2012, at some schools 6 percent of the students graduated with debt; while, at other schools, 100 percent of the students graduated with debt.
At some schools, the average debt was $4,450; while, at other schools the average debt was $49,000.
Many people do graduate without student debt.
Uno
OutHouse
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OutHouse
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my daughter is a HS junior and very smart. she got a invite to attend a presentation by Duke University. We went to it, listened to their recruitment spiel and when they said tuition was $63,000.00 per year I could barely contain my laughter.
what was sickening was that they brought in a panel of Duke Alums that work/live in Denver. these people they had speak about how "great" the Duke experience was, now work as Teachers, Marketing, and i think one lady was a unemployed. So they spent over a quarter of a million bucks for a degree to be a elementary school teacher? WTF! how in the holy hell are they going to pay that loan back? but i guess its all about the Duke experience, to hell with the cost, money does not matter....
bleh.
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So many people I went to HS with are in that exact same boat. I never was able to understand their logic.
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