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speedstream5621

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I'm a junior in high school and ultimately want to be a lawyer. Constitutional and International Law are the two subject areas I am most interested in. As far as being an undergraduate goes, is it better to do Pre-Law or Political Science? Are you more likely to burn out doing Pre-Law? Does Political Science offer a more diverse background/education? I've noticed that Pre-Law is not offered at very many universities and am wondering if that is something I should keep on my radar screen.

Any lawyers around that would like to give some feedback about studying law in general?
 

Kalbi

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Do Business/Economics/Accounting and go for Law School so you'll have something to fall back on if the Law school thing doesn't work out. I don't know what good job you can get with a polysci major.
 

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The cool thing about being a pre-law is that there isn't really any set track that you have to follow. Unlike the pre-Med track where most students are expected to be bio or chem majors, law school students have a wide variety of majors with anything ranging from political science to business to economics to english. So if you are pursuing a law degree, select an undergrad major that interests you (and is at least somewhat related to law). Political science seems like a very good choice; thats probably what I would have done had I opted to go on the track to law school. Good luck!
 

thegimp03

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You can major in anything you want to and go get a law degree later. Just take a prep class for the LSAT. I wouldn't major in either one of those. I would major in Business, so that it gives you a back-up plan in case you end up not wanting to spend another 3 years studying after graduating from college.
Most colleges don't offer Pre-Law for exactly that reason. Why do it if you'll only get burned out and law school is the only thing that matters anyways. Plus, top law schools only look for high LSAT's and high GPA. Undergraduate major rarely has a bearing on whether or not you're going to get into say, Harvard Law, if you have a top 1% score and have a 4.0 gpa. :)
Poli Sci is ok, but it doesn't give you as many viable options after college if you don't want to immediately go into law school. A lot of people I know who majored in Poli Sci didn't want to go to law school and just ended up going and getting their Masters and Ph.D. If you don't mind teaching, that's what you can do. :)
 

Political Science. Like you, I was sure I wanted to go to law school after college. But now, in my senior year of college, I've got two gov't jobs that I've got a reasonable chance of landing, and I know that law school is NOT for me. All the pricks from the poli sci department are the ones who plan to go to law school. The reasonable, smart and non-hyper-competitive students (like me) are planning on graduate school and/or going out into the workforce.

If you're the competitive type, law school is probably for you. But if you like learning for the sake of learning, then perhaps you should major in political science.
 

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probably already pointed out but in many schools poli sci is a major while pre-law is only a course of study. So technically you should be able to be a pre-law poli sci major.
 

speedstream5621

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My understanding was that to get into a law school (graduate school), let alone a good one, I would need to major in something first. I happen to have a serious interest in Political Science, but I don't know much about Pre-Law. It appears that Pre-Law may be more geared for Criminal Justice, which I haven't entirely ruled out.

Teaching is the last thing I want to do.

I plan on continuing to learn Spanish as well. My Senior year will be my fourth. I was thinking that a minor/major in Spanish would be very helpful should I decide to go into International Law.

It isn't a job that I plan to get with a major in Political Science, but to get ahead of the game when it comes to law school. I would be looking to go immediately into law after majoring in something.
 

alm4rr

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law schools would rather you didn't do "pre-law" majors
poly sci is as close as they'd like

 

speedstream5621

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I hadn't really looked into whether or not Pre-Law was an actual major or not.
Originally posted by: alm4rr
law schools would rather you didn't do pre-law majors
poly sci is as close as they'd like
Why would law schools look away from Pre-Law?

It sounds like I shouldn't worry about Pre-Law at all....
 

Eeezee

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Why would you pick between two utterly useless and boring undergrad degrees? o_O

How about something fun?
 

speedstream5621

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Why would you pick between two utterly useless and boring undergrad degrees? o_O

How about something fun?
And what exactly would you suggest? Personally, I'm inclined to study things I have an interest in.
 

Originally posted by: Tab
What can one do with a political science major anyway?
Pretty much anything...but, like many other college majors, many options require additional advanced programs of study.

Without an MA or MS or PhD, political science majors can go into law enforcement, paralegal, or other 'national security'-type positions such as intelligence analysis. With an advanced degree, career possibilities are pretty much endless.
 

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Why would you pick between two utterly useless and boring undergrad degrees? o_O

How about something fun?
Stay out of the thread.
 

Originally posted by: speedstream5621
Why would law schools look away from Pre-Law?
Because it often means that there's no diversity in your undergraduate career. If you're only taking history and political science courses for four years, you're not going to make a good lawyer. It's better to have some math, some sociology, some english, and possibly some science too.
 

speedstream5621

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: speedstream5621
Why would law schools look away from Pre-Law?
Because it often means that there's no diversity in your undergraduate career. If you're only taking history and political science courses for four years, you're not going to make a good lawyer. It's better to have some math, some sociology, some english, and possibly some science too.
Ok, that makes a lot of sense. Personally, I think that would be too much of a good thing...making it bad.

Yes, I would probably apply at the CIA if International Law was what I decided to go with. They have analytical positions for people with that kind of education and a foreign language would really be invaluable as well.

I don't have a huge inerest in economics.
 

speedstream5621

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
go the engineering route!
After taking AP Chemistry, no thanks. Had I taken Honors (rather than basic) before going into the AP program, I'm sure I would be thinking differently though.:(
 

Taughnter

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Originally posted by: speedstream5621
I'm a junior in high school and ultimately want to be a lawyer. Constitutional and International Law are the two subject areas I am most interested in. As far as being an undergraduate goes, is it better to do Pre-Law or Political Science? Are you more likely to burn out doing Pre-Law? Does Political Science offer a more diverse background/education? I've noticed that Pre-Law is not offered at very many universities and am wondering if that is something I should keep on my radar screen.

Any lawyers around that would like to give some feedback about studying law in general?



I'm not a lawyer, but hopefully will be in shortly over a year. I'm about to start my third year of law school so hopefully I can give you some sound advice based on my own experiences.

First off, do whatever you think you will enjoy. Bottom line here is that you want to get the best possible grades and prepare yourself for the LSAT (not yet, but when the time comes). At my law school we have such diverse group I would say that there is no such thing as the "right" major. (Doctors, chemists, engineers, business majors, philosophy, psychology, even someone who played semi-pro sports in europe) If you really want to get a good background for law, poli sci is probably the way to go, but not every poli sci major does well in law school and plenty of the best law students come from entirely non-law backgrounds.

Second, I don't even know what "pre-law" is, I think its not something that most schools offer and its more of a status than a major.

I notice some people have suggested business or something else that will allow you a "fallback" career. I tend to agree with this line of thinking, as you may change your mind completely on whether you want to go to law school. I only decided on it during my junior year of college when I realized how little I wanted to study business/accounting.

I'm not trying to write a novel, but unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) I have some more to say here. I majored in philosophy and psychology (yes, both) in undergrad, and I would like to point out that BOTH of these fields can be good for studying law. First of all, people nowadays often associate philosophy with stoners, and its really a pity because if you have a good philosophy background you will be much better at logic and forming arguments (two very important things for law school). Psychology is also useful, but more in the sense of knowing background info (and mainly in a criminal law context).

As I said earlier, do whatever you enjoy and think you will do best in. No matter what you end up doing, take some poli sci courses, take some criminal justice (taking criminal procedure in college was incredibly helpful for me), and DEFINETELY take a course in logic. (If your school offers a course in symbolic logic, that would be good.) The logic course would be the absolute best thing you can do to prepare for the LSAT. Over 50% of the test is based on logical analysis and having a background in it will give you such an edge over people who haven't taken such a course. Aside from taking an intro to logic course the only other prep I had for the LSAT was a 20 dollar Princeton Review book that I worked on for 2-4 weeks prior to the exam and I was able to score in the top 94th percentile (this is good enough to go to most tier 2 schools).

I'm going to stop myself from writing anymore, but if you have anymore questions about what I posted feel free to PM or reply here and I'll check back. Hopefully this helps you out.
 

speedstream5621

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Originally posted by: Taughnter
Originally posted by: speedstream5621
I'm a junior in high school and ultimately want to be a lawyer. Constitutional and International Law are the two subject areas I am most interested in. As far as being an undergraduate goes, is it better to do Pre-Law or Political Science? Are you more likely to burn out doing Pre-Law? Does Political Science offer a more diverse background/education? I've noticed that Pre-Law is not offered at very many universities and am wondering if that is something I should keep on my radar screen.

Any lawyers around that would like to give some feedback about studying law in general?



I'm not a lawyer, but hopefully will be in shortly over a year. I'm about to start my third year of law school so hopefully I can give you some sound advice based on my own experiences.

First off, do whatever you think you will enjoy. Bottom line here is that you want to get the best possible grades and prepare yourself for the LSAT (not yet, but when the time comes). At my law school we have such diverse group I would say that there is no such thing as the "right" major. (Doctors, chemists, engineers, business majors, philosophy, psychology, even someone who played semi-pro sports in europe) If you really want to get a good background for law, poli sci is probably the way to go, but not every poli sci major does well in law school and plenty of the best law students come from entirely non-law backgrounds.

Second, I don't even know what "pre-law" is, I think its not something that most schools offer and its more of a status than a major.

I notice some people have suggested business or something else that will allow you a "fallback" career. I tend to agree with this line of thinking, as you may change your mind completely on whether you want to go to law school. I only decided on it during my junior year of college when I realized how little I wanted to study business/accounting.

I'm not trying to write a novel, but unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) I have some more to say here. I majored in philosophy and psychology (yes, both) in undergrad, and I would like to point out that BOTH of these fields can be good for studying law. First of all, people nowadays often associate philosophy with stoners, and its really a pity because if you have a good philosophy background you will be much better at logic and forming arguments (two very important things for law school). Psychology is also useful, but more in the sense of knowing background info (and mainly in a criminal law context).

As I said earlier, do whatever you enjoy and think you will do best in. No matter what you end up doing, take some poli sci courses, take some criminal justice (taking criminal procedure in college was incredibly helpful for me), and DEFINETELY take a course in logic. (If your school offers a course in symbolic logic, that would be good.) The logic course would be the absolute best thing you can do to prepare for the LSAT. Over 50% of the test is based on logical analysis and having a background in it will give you such an edge over people who haven't taken such a course. Aside from taking an intro to logic course the only other prep I had for the LSAT was a 20 dollar Princeton Review book that I worked on for 2-4 weeks prior to the exam and I was able to score in the top 94th percentile (this is good enough to go to most tier 2 schools).

I'm going to stop myself from writing anymore, but if you have anymore questions about what I posted feel free to PM or reply here and I'll check back. Hopefully this helps you out.
No, that's great information. I'll look into logic/symbolic logic courses at the schools I am considering. I already looked over the official practice LSAT exam...so much more enjoyable than the SATs due to the lack of math.

How many years will you be in law school? What field are you pursuing? Any specific classes in high school I should take?

Classes pertaining to law that I've taken or will take this year: AP U.S. History/Gov., AP Government, Constitutional Law, Constitutional Law 2 Competition Team. The psychology/sociology classes may have been cut this year due to funding.
 

Siva

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How bout you pick a real major so that you can actually contribute positively to the world in the future?








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