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Wreckem

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: chuckywang
I'm sorry, but this game came down to clock management. On Texas's last drive, they had a 2nd and goal situation with 1 min 30 sec left and both the game clock and play clock winding down. They snapped the ball with 30 seconds on the play clock! Why would you do that?? This is your last set of downs, why leave potentially more time for Texas Tech after you score?

Before TTU's heroics at the end, that was the decision that gave them a chance.

despite playing its 4th #11 or better team in 22 days, despite the fact that we were at their place, despite the fact that tech's constant holding was blatantly obvious on a 20" analog TV (check the replay of orakpo being injured, he was in a sleeper hold), the game came down to the fact that colt mccoy and mac brown apparently have the clock management skills of the houston texans.

congrats tech, you're going to lose to ok state.



Originally posted by: weadjust
How insane a division is the Big 12 South? They have 4 legitimate BCS teams (Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma State). I'm sure fans in that division are looking at all the tiebreaker scenarios. With Texas Tech still having Oklahoma and Oklahoma State remaining, there's still a good chance they'll lose one. I think there could easily be a 3-way tie at 7-1 for that division title. If Oklahoma wins out, Texas wins out, and Texas Tech wins all but the Oklahoma game, I wonder who goes to the Big 12 Title Game??

tie breaker in the big xii is BCS standing.

Last I checked, that was a CLEAR block in the back, that flag should have never been picked up. Texas had more favorable calls than Tech. PERIOD. THEY ALWAYS DO. But yeah you're right, Mack Brown was incompetent on that final drive. He should have known better than to let his defense win the game. You can keep Tech out of the end zone some or the time, but not all the time.

As for Okie State beating Tech at home. Its not likely.

Now OU, yeah maybe, Okie State. Doubtful.
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
As for Okie State beating Tech at home. Its not likely.

Now OU, yeah maybe, Okie State. Doubtful.

Have you seen OSU this year? As much as I hate to say this, they are for real and should have beat Texas.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Wreckem
As for Okie State beating Tech at home. Its not likely.

Now OU, yeah maybe, Okie State. Doubtful.

Have you seen OSU this year? As much as I hate to say this, they are for real and should have beat Texas.

They are just as much as real at Texas Tech. Bottom line. Its HARD to win at Lubbock.

Im not saying Tech is going to blow them out, but to straight up say Okie State is going to beat Tech @ Tech, because you still dont want to give credit where credit is due, fine. Its probably not going to happen.
 

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: weadjust
How insane a division is the Big 12 South? They have 4 legitimate BCS teams (Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma State). I'm sure fans in that division are looking at all the tiebreaker scenarios. With Texas Tech still having Oklahoma and Oklahoma State remaining, there's still a good chance they'll lose one. I think there could easily be a 3-way tie at 7-1 for that division title. If Oklahoma wins out, Texas wins out, and Texas Tech wins all but the Oklahoma game, I wonder who goes to the Big 12 Title Game??

In that scenario, the team with the highest ranking in the BCS goes to the Big 12 title game. If OU beats Tech, and wins all of its other games, OU will go to the title game because they are #4 right now and TX is likelty to drop to 6 or 7.

I'm leaning towards towards this right now:

4 - Texas
5 - Florida/Oklahoma

But if Oklahoma beats Texas Tech, you can believe they will be moved ahead of Texas. Do I like it? No, but they'll make up an excuse for it.
 

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"It's easy to forget about them..."

Ya forget about a team that actually plays defense.......

Whats the TT OSU score next week TT 84 OSU 77???
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: weadjust
How insane a division is the Big 12 South? They have 4 legitimate BCS teams (Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma State). I'm sure fans in that division are looking at all the tiebreaker scenarios. With Texas Tech still having Oklahoma and Oklahoma State remaining, there's still a good chance they'll lose one. I think there could easily be a 3-way tie at 7-1 for that division title. If Oklahoma wins out, Texas wins out, and Texas Tech wins all but the Oklahoma game, I wonder who goes to the Big 12 Title Game??

In that scenario, the team with the highest ranking in the BCS goes to the Big 12 title game. If OU beats Tech, and wins all of its other games, OU will go to the title game because they are #4 right now and TX is likelty to drop to 6 or 7.

I'm leaning towards towards this right now:

4 - Texas
5 - Florida/Oklahoma

But if Oklahoma beats Texas Tech, you can believe they will be moved ahead of Texas. Do I like it? No, but they'll make up an excuse for it.


As much as I always have said a loss should be a loss, no matter when its suffered, thats not the case. With the BCS system, since its exception, teams that lose later are always SCREWED.
 

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Penn State is the Oklahoma State of the Big 10.

Like a guy on another sports forum said, "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while."
 

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Last I checked, that was a CLEAR block in the back, that flag should have never been picked up. Texas had more favorable calls than Tech. PERIOD. THEY ALWAYS DO. But yeah you're right, Mack Brown was incompetent on that final drive. He should have known better than to let his defense win the game. You can keep Tech out of the end zone some or the time, but not all the time.

As for Okie State beating Tech at home. Its not likely.

Now OU, yeah maybe, Okie State. Doubtful.

lol i must have hit a nerve. i'll own up to the block in the back (that herbstreit called questionable before the officials picked it up) if you own up to all the holding that your offensive line does.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Last I checked, that was a CLEAR block in the back, that flag should have never been picked up. Texas had more favorable calls than Tech. PERIOD. THEY ALWAYS DO. But yeah you're right, Mack Brown was incompetent on that final drive. He should have known better than to let his defense win the game. You can keep Tech out of the end zone some or the time, but not all the time.

As for Okie State beating Tech at home. Its not likely.

Now OU, yeah maybe, Okie State. Doubtful.

lol i must have hit a nerve. i'll own up to the block in the back (that herbstreit called questionable before the officials picked it up) if you own up to all the holding that your offensive line does.

Yeah, but on replay it was more than questionable, it was CLEARLY a block in the back.

Tech does have a tendancy to hold, there werent to many non call hold calls.

That pass interference on Crabtree was also complete BS. Which ended that drive.

Dont say Tech got more beneficial calls, because they didn't.
 

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Originally posted by: moparacer
"It's easy to forget about them..."

Ya forget about a team that actually plays defense.......

Whats the TT OSU score next week TT 84 OSU 77???

Easier to play defense when your SOS is ranked 54th in the country.

As of last weekend's game -
Texas SOS - 6
OU - 11
OSU - 22
Tech - 72
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: thereds
Originally posted by: moparacer
"It's easy to forget about them..."

Ya forget about a team that actually plays defense.......

Whats the TT OSU score next week TT 84 OSU 77???

Easier to play defense when your SOS is ranked 54th in the country.

As of last weekend's game -
Texas SOS - 6
OU - 11
OSU - 22
Tech - 72

And again, Tech gets penalized because they were SCREWED over by Tulsa, and had to play a second IAA team. Techs SoS would have been much higher, if they got to play Tulsa.

Tech gets treated like shit because every decent or good team doesnt want to come to Lubbock and wont give Tech a 1 and 1. Tech shouldnt have to do what Fresno State does, Tech is a good BCS conference team. Teams should be willing to give Tech 1 and 1s.

Maybe now some teams will finally give Tech some 1 and 1s.
 

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Originally posted by: thereds
Originally posted by: moparacer
"It's easy to forget about them..."

Ya forget about a team that actually plays defense.......

Whats the TT OSU score next week TT 84 OSU 77???

Easier to play defense when your SOS is ranked 54th in the country.

As of last weekend's game -
Texas SOS - 6
OU - 11
OSU - 22
Tech - 72

And their SOS will go up. The season isn't over. People get their panties in a wad when it's not even over yet. Tech has 2 big games left. We'll see how they do against the best of the big 12. So far 1 for 1.
 

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: thereds
Originally posted by: moparacer
"It's easy to forget about them..."

Ya forget about a team that actually plays defense.......

Whats the TT OSU score next week TT 84 OSU 77???

Easier to play defense when your SOS is ranked 54th in the country.

As of last weekend's game -
Texas SOS - 6
OU - 11
OSU - 22
Tech - 72

And their SOS will go up. The season isn't over. People get their panties in a wad when it's not even over yet. Tech has 2 big games left. We'll see how they do against the best of the big 12. So far 1 for 1.

How exactly is going to go up and how far do you think it's going to go? None of the teams PSU played this season except for Ohio St are really having stellar seasons. For the next three games - Iowa, Mich State and Indiana don't really scare anyone.

All said and done, I do think PSU is a good team this year. Hopefully whoever they play in a bowl will ensure that it's a good game.
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Tech gets treated like shit because every decent or good team doesnt want to come to Lubbock and wont give Tech a 1 and 1. Tech shouldnt have to do what Fresno State does, Tech is a good BCS conference team. Teams should be willing to give Tech 1 and 1s.

Tech is getting treated like shit because until recently they do not play defense (this is still questionable) and have never been to the Big 12 title game, let alone anything bigger.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Tech gets treated like shit because every decent or good team doesnt want to come to Lubbock and wont give Tech a 1 and 1. Tech shouldnt have to do what Fresno State does, Tech is a good BCS conference team. Teams should be willing to give Tech 1 and 1s.

Tech is getting treated like shit because until recently they do not play defense (this is still questionable) and have never been to the Big 12 title game, let alone anything bigger.

I see the Texas apologist still wont give credit where credit is do. So far Ive heard. Tech was lucky. Mack Brown was an idiot. Tech had more favorable calls. Texas was tired. Blah blah blah.

Tech blew out CAL in the Holiday Bowl. They've won 5 out of 6 Bowl games. How many bowl games has OU won recently? Texas? And what the fuck has A&M done to deserve more respect than Tech. A&M has no problem getting 1 and 1s with decent to elite(or atleast formerly) D1 teams. Tech has consistently been 4th out of 12 in the Big 12 since the inception of the Big 12. Theres no reason why every decent DI team continues to refuse 1 and 1s with Tech.

Did you not watch the first half. Tech can play defense. They held Texas to its lowest running production of the year. With the exception of two passes, Tech played better defense than OU has been playing. OU let that "crappy team" Kansas rack up over 400 yards on them and barely eeked out a win at home.

Oh and BTW, Okie State, they havent beaten Tech at Lubbock since oh, I believe it was 1990.
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Did you not watch the first half. Tech can play defense. They held Texas to its lowest running production of the year. With the exception of two passes, Tech played better defense than OU has been playing. OU let that "crappy team" Kansas rack up over 400 yards on them and barely eeked out a win at home.

My statement has nothing to do with the game tonight, or Tech this season. If you're going to define the success of the program on one victory, be my guest.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Did you not watch the first half. Tech can play defense. They held Texas to its lowest running production of the year. With the exception of two passes, Tech played better defense than OU has been playing. OU let that "crappy team" Kansas rack up over 400 yards on them and barely eeked out a win at home.

My statement has nothing to do with the game tonight, or Tech this season. If you're going to define the success of the program on one victory, be my guest.

Im not. Last I checked, Tech has done better than 8 other Big 12 teams in the big 12, every year(for the most part) since the Big 12 was created.

I mean everyone gives Mizzou respect. Theyve had 1, I repeat 1, great season, where they played a patsy north schedule. Before that they were mostly celler dwellers to middle of the pack in the North. Where will they be next year when Daniels and Maclin leave? Probably towards the middle of the North again. Exactly where KU is now.
 

Wreckem

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BCS Results are in. Tech and Bama tied for #1 in the computer rankings.

1. Alabama
2. Texas Tech
3. Penn State
4. Texas
5. Florida
6. Oklahoma
7. USC
8. Utah
9. Okie State
10. Boise State
11. OSU
12. TCU
13. Georgia
14. Mizzou
15. BYU
16. LSU
17. Ball State
18. Michigan State
19. UNC
20. Georgia Tech
21. Cal
22. FSU
23. Maryland
24. Northwestern
25. WVU

Its pretty sad, that the Big East only has 1 team in the top 25, at 25. Its quite possible, the Big East team in a BCS game will be unranked. That is fucking stupid.
 

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Tex Tech jumped PSU, bummer, but no surprise there.

Well, actually most "experts" said Tech probably wouldnt do it.

After this season, the Big East needs its auto bid yanked... There are far more deserving teams that deserve a BCS game than WVU.
 

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Tech gets treated like shit because every decent or good team doesnt want to come to Lubbock and wont give Tech a 1 and 1. Tech shouldnt have to do what Fresno State does, Tech is a good BCS conference team. Teams should be willing to give Tech 1 and 1s.

Tech is getting treated like shit because until recently they do not play defense (this is still questionable) and have never been to the Big 12 title game, let alone anything bigger.

I see the Texas apologist still wont give credit where credit is do. So far Ive heard. Tech was lucky. Mack Brown was an idiot. Tech had more favorable calls. Texas was tired. Blah blah blah.

Tech blew out CAL in the Holiday Bowl. They've won 5 out of 6 Bowl games. How many bowl games has OU won recently? Texas? And what the fuck has A&M done to deserve more respect than Tech. A&M has no problem getting 1 and 1s with decent to elite(or atleast formerly) D1 teams. Tech has consistently been 4th out of 12 in the Big 12 since the inception of the Big 12. Theres no reason why every decent DI team continues to refuse 1 and 1s with Tech.

Did you not watch the first half. Tech can play defense. They held Texas to its lowest running production of the year. With the exception of two passes, Tech played better defense than OU has been playing. OU let that "crappy team" Kansas rack up over 400 yards on them and barely eeked out a win at home.

Oh and BTW, Okie State, they havent beaten Tech at Lubbock since oh, I believe it was 1990.

i'll give tech's offense credit. leech has that system down and he can plug in quarterbacks year after year to make it run. now he's got an nfl calibur WR to help it out, so it's doing even better. but of course tech fans will say ut got more favorable calls, just like i, as a ut fan, will say that there were at least 6 holding calls on tech's o-line that weren't called that could have changed things. the fact is, texas played it's worst game of the season by far, and still could have won the game. how many bowl games has texas won recently? let's see, they've won 4 in a row and 6 of the last 7 (better than tech since you want to go on that stat for some reason).

oh, and you're giving tech's defense way too much credit. 4 dropped balls in the first half (including a sure td) killed ut a lot more than anything tech was doing defensively. they won't beat ok state and ou back to back, and i wouldn't be surprised if they lost both.
 

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Originally posted by: hdeck
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Tech gets treated like shit because every decent or good team doesnt want to come to Lubbock and wont give Tech a 1 and 1. Tech shouldnt have to do what Fresno State does, Tech is a good BCS conference team. Teams should be willing to give Tech 1 and 1s.

Tech is getting treated like shit because until recently they do not play defense (this is still questionable) and have never been to the Big 12 title game, let alone anything bigger.

I see the Texas apologist still wont give credit where credit is do. So far Ive heard. Tech was lucky. Mack Brown was an idiot. Tech had more favorable calls. Texas was tired. Blah blah blah.

Tech blew out CAL in the Holiday Bowl. They've won 5 out of 6 Bowl games. How many bowl games has OU won recently? Texas? And what the fuck has A&M done to deserve more respect than Tech. A&M has no problem getting 1 and 1s with decent to elite(or atleast formerly) D1 teams. Tech has consistently been 4th out of 12 in the Big 12 since the inception of the Big 12. Theres no reason why every decent DI team continues to refuse 1 and 1s with Tech.

Did you not watch the first half. Tech can play defense. They held Texas to its lowest running production of the year. With the exception of two passes, Tech played better defense than OU has been playing. OU let that "crappy team" Kansas rack up over 400 yards on them and barely eeked out a win at home.

Oh and BTW, Okie State, they havent beaten Tech at Lubbock since oh, I believe it was 1990.

i'll give tech's offense credit. leech has that system down and he can plug in quarterbacks year after year to make it run. now he's got an nfl calibur WR to help it out, so it's doing even better. but of course tech fans will say ut got more favorable calls, just like i, as a ut fan, will say that there were at least 6 holding calls on tech's o-line that weren't called that could have changed things. the fact is, texas played it's worst game of the season by far, and still could have won the game. how many bowl games has texas won recently? let's see, they've won 4 in a row and 6 of the last 7 (better than tech since you want to go on that stat for some reason).

oh, and you're giving tech's defense way too much credit. 4 dropped balls in the first half (including a sure td) killed ut a lot more than anything tech was doing defensively. they won't beat ok state and ou back to back, and i wouldn't be surprised if they lost both.

You want Tech to lose 2, because thats the only way Texas can get to the Big XII title game. Tech wont lose at home to OSU. I was incorrect about 1990. OSU has won in Lubbock since 1944. OSU and Tech are evenly matched on defense. This will be the high scoring game the Texas-Texas Tech game should have been.


As for penalities. That entire last drive by tech there were several players on the Texas sideline, on the field, several feet on the field, while players were LIVE. Never was it called on any play.

As for Techs defense not doing shit?

They had what 5 sacks and atleast 10+ knock downs on McCoy. They did far more than the Texas defense. They held Texas to 80 yards rushing. Most of that 80 came on the last Texas drive. The 2nd half it was far more errors by Harrel and WRs than it was the Texas D. Tech had just as many dropped passes that would have been TD's.

I love it, Texas apologists still making excuses on how they lost.

Tech gets back to back weeks in the national spotlight. They were picked for the ABC's 8:00pm game.

Tech will have atleast 3 out of the 5, 8:00pm ABC games this month. This will be a boon for recruitment. In terms of recruitment, between the Oklahoma and Texas schools, Tech is usually 5th, after OU, TX, A&M, OSU. That should start changing.