Coldplay. Some thoughts.

[datalink7]

I like a few Coldplay songs a lot (Trouble, Clocks and Yellow), but overall they aren't that great.

 

[DanJ]

Not at all. In fact I really don't care what others think of my musical tastes.

Haha...you're missing the point Red Dawn. I don't care that you don't like the type of music I like. Music is rarely something that everyone can agree upon, I know that and that's fine. All I'm saying is that you're not stating any opinion, its easy to say who you don't like because you can just say "they suck" and leave it at that, but it to actually say who you do like, which you haven't, is much more difficult. That would set you up for someone to pull a "Red Dawn" on you, something that you yourself seem to fear as you haven't stated any of your own opinions on what you do in fact like.

My favorite current bands?
Counting Crows
Radiohead
Tom Petty
Coldplay
The Strokes
Doves
Wilco
Ryan Adams
Beck
Flaming Lips
Wallflowers
Starsailor
A Perfect Circle
Tool
Smashing Pumpkins

I'm assuming you think all of the above suck, and hey that's fine, I'm just curious as to what you do like; unless you're one of those people who can't like any band that you think others like as you maybe believe music is only meant to be appreciated in small groups, once big groups start liking it it becomes "suck"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DanJ

Not at all. In fact I really don't care what others think of my musical tastes.

Haha...you're missing the point Red Dawn. I don't care that you don't like the type of music I like. Music is rarely something that everyone can agree upon, I know that and that's fine. All I'm saying is that you're not stating any opinion, its easy to say who you don't like because you can just say "they suck" and leave it at that, but it to actually say who you do like, which you haven't, is much more difficult. That would set you up for someone to pull a "Red Dawn" on you, something you seem to fear as you haven't stated any of your own opinions on what you do in fact like.

My favorite current bands?
Counting Crows
Radiohead
Tom Petty
Coldplay
The Strokes
Doves
Wilco
Ryan Adams
Beck
Flaming Lips
Wallflowers
Starsailor
A Perfect Circle
Tool

I'm assuming you think all of the above suck, and hey that's fine, I'm just curious as to what you do like; unless you're one of those people who can't like any band that you think others like as you maybe believe music is only meant to be appreciated in small groups, once big groups start liking it it becomes "suck"

Actually I just think Coldplay sucks out of that list. There are a few I'm not familiar with. I think I saw the Stroke embarrass themselves on SNL but I'm not positive it was them.


Doves
Wilco
Ryan Adams
Flaming Lips
Starsailor
A Perfect Circle
I'm not familiar with any of those but I will check them out. You can save me from wasting my time though by letting me know if any of them sound like Coldplay, DMB and that other assclown John Mayer.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Radiohead was the product of a desperate music industry, drawing at straws to maintain the viability of modern rock. Everything after their first album was in some way a mimicry of other music. Despite the constant mentions of "sylistic" influences, Radiohead merely introduced dated electronic music style to legions of rock kiddies. Listen to Autechre, circe Incunubula and Tri Repetae to see "Radiohead" six years earlier.

Um. I think you have that backwards. Their first album was their least distinctive by far. It's bland-rock at it's finest. Worthy of today's mainstream scene.

"The industry" has had very little to no influence on Radiohead's creative choices, at least on their later albums. Do you honestly think releasing Kid A was the decision of the record companies? They're only out there to make money, and everyone knew that another OK Computer would have sold like hotcakes. Kid A was a attempt by Radiohead to withdraw from the mega-band scene. And yeah, "electronica" isn't anything new, but Radiohead would be the last to claim that it was. They've really gone out of the way to cite their influences and even promote them. Some periodical research on Radiohead will yield a wealth of information on the subject.

Every band has it's influences, and there are essentially no new songs to be written. It's just whether a band can present material in a way which is engaging in a new way. Listen to Boston and Cheap Trick to hear "The Smashing Pumpkins" 15 years earlier. Listen to the Stones and Cream and Muddy Waters to hear "The White Stripes" 35 years earlier. You can play that game all day, and even the bands you go back to have bands you can go back from there. Music is an evolution. It works like a blender, as a new set of people with a new set of influences make music which slowly gains enough followers to rise to the surface from the center of the blender, crest, and fall off to the side. Think of Radiohead being that crest for electronica, Korn that crest for rap-rock, Nirvana for alternative, Bon Jovi for hair rock. The genres existed before those bands, but they were the ones that signaled the crest for the genre. The genre stewed and churned until it pooped out a band or two that could present it in a way accesible to outsiders, the genre enjoyed some mainstream attention, then fell off to the side of the blender.

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually I just think Coldplay sucks out of that list. There are a few I'm not familiar with. I think I saw the Stroke embarrass themselves on SNL but I'm not positive it was them.

Doves
Wilco
Ryan Adams
Flaming Lips
Starsailor
A Perfect Circle
I'm not familiar with any of those but I will check them out. You can save me from wasting my time though by letting me know if any of them sound like Coldplay, DMB and that other assclown John Mayer.

For the record I don't like DMB or Mayer. So none of the bands listed sound like them two.

On that list, none really sound like Coldplay, but Doves and Starsailor are brit-rock bands. Doves being the best of the two you haven't heard of, if you want to check some of their stuff out download "Pounding" and "The Cedar Room" I spose. For Starsailor, you might have heard "Good Souls" on the radio a couple times, check that out if not. Doves is probably my favorite new band.

Ryan Adams is kind of crossover alt-country-rock with more focus on rock now, similar to Wilco. His song "New York, New York" kind of exploded after 9-11 (should be said he wrote it long before). Of his new stuff maybe check out "Starting to Hurt" and "Nuclear" off Demolition. Wilco's tough to explain, they used to be more country but are now kind of experimental-alt-country-pop-rock of some sort (check out "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" off Yankee Hotel Foxtrot I spose, or "In a Future Age [Alternate Version] off Summer Teeth).

Flaming Lips are another weird genre band. Check out "Do You Realize?" I guess. They put on an insane live show; all kinds of crap going on.

A Perfect Circle is Maynard's (of Tool) better band (*ducks*)..perhaps not instrumentally more talented, but the songs are better overall...Mer De Noms is an incredible album, start to finish. Check out "Judith", "Orestes", and "3 Libras" for a taste.

The Strokes did fine on SNL I thought, although he was obviously stoned (his pupils covered just about all of his eye). I know you didn't like Coldplay's performance on the Grammy's but if you listen to the song and see how they performed it it was just about perfect (to the album), so I guess the analysis of the performance should come down to how well they did the song, which I thought was good, Chris Martin going nuts on the piano was good. Coldplay's a very accurate band live, so if you don't like the album you're not going to like their live performance. When they first came out this was one of the big complaints against them, that they don't change much up live, but lately they're putting more into their shows, more covers and more energy (which is obviously not going to come across when they can only do one song).

Anyways, that should cover those bands.

 

[Red Dawn]

Chris Martin going nuts on the piano was good.

Yeah good for a laugh. Don't despair young DanJ, that's only my opinion and it doesn't bother me in the least that you don't agree.

 

[DanJ]

Yeah good for a laugh. Don't despair young DanJ, that's only my opinion and it doesn't bother me in the least that you don't agree

Yea, I was waiting for him to hit the piano, seemed to come dangerously close at times lol.