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Coffelake Thread : Rumors, and Specs

Will Coffee Lake retain same LGA 1151 socket?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 41.3%
  • No

    Votes: 27 58.7%

  • Total voters
    46
  • Poll closed .

thepaleobiker

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Hello Everyone,

I know Ryzen is sucking out most of the oxygen in the room regarding the anticipation and "truer" competition in the CPU market.

I've a few questions I'd like to put forth to those in the latest know how about Intel's potential first opportunity to respond to Ryzen - CoffeeLake CPUs.

Here's what I think we know about CoffeeLake :- (Link to info)


1) Still on 14nm (so 14nm ++ ?)
2) Claimed improvement (IPC ?? or at same price point??) of 15% over KabyLake CPUs

Un-Knowns :-
1) Socket ? (Will it be 1151 again? Drop in replacement for my Pentium G4560 ?)
2) Will it even come out for Desktop CPUs? There were Rumors that Intel would focus on Mobile first for CoffeeLake....

I'm trying to think out long term to see what's the best update to my CPU (G4560) in an year or so, when I'd have tested/satisfied my current backlog of 2015/2016 PC games....

Any thoughts on the unknowns listed above? @VirtualLarry ? (you have my fav little G4560 too :D )

Regards,
Vishnu
 

LTC8K6

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Well, 15% in base clock speed would have to be a base clock of 4.83...
 

inf64

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Well, 15% in base clock speed would have to be a base clock of 4.83...
They didn't say which core i7. It could have been mobile i7. Top mobile i7 SKU is SKL based 6970HQ that runs at 2.8Ghz base and 3.7Ghz Turbo. They might be comparing 6 core mobile(?) chip to 4C, you never know.
 
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LTC8K6

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I never saw anything saying that was mobile chips, though.

https://twitter.com/intelnews/status/829773829471744000

The slide says "windows desktop productivity performance", whatever that means exactly.

I thought the news was that the desktop chips had been moved earlier in response to RyZen? They were supposed to be 1H18 and are now 2H17?
 

flash-gordon

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The bottom: "Software and workloads used in performance tests may have been optimized for performance only on Intel microprocessors".

Maybe they optimized Sysmark to get the best from the minor architectural changes, and that's how they got 15%...
 

UsandThem

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1. I Doubt they will keep it LGA 1151. Intel loves changing sockets.

2. Probably just the usual 5-10% performance increase unless they are forced by AMD to do do better. Since Sandy Bridge, it has been slow, steady, and boring.

From reading through all the user posts on various sites about Ryzen, are we sure Intel won't be filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection by that time? ;)
 
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thepaleobiker

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The bottom: "Software and workloads used in performance tests may have been optimized for performance only on Intel microprocessors".

Maybe they optimized Sysmark to get the best from the minor architectural changes, and that's how they got 15%...
That'd be awful :(.....

I'm eying Ryzen with joy, but given my B250 LGA 1151 motherboard + Pentium G4560 CPU, this $160 combo is great for my RX480 4GB GPU. I am keeping my fingers crossed that there will be a HT-enabled i5 or similar CPU under $200 from Intel (4 cores/ 8 threads) .......

Regards,
Vishnu
 

thepaleobiker

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From reading through all the user posts on various sites about Ryzen, are we sure Intel won't be filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection by that time? ;)
Intel has way too much money in reserves to be filing for Chapter 11....and plus, they are building that new factory in Arizona for 10nm chips (or was it for 7nm chips? not sure)

If they do use a new socket, I'll sadly be forced to buy a used Kaby Lake upgrade sometime in the next few years. Or I could buy into a nice Ryzen ITX mobo + Ryzen 5 CPU in the next year or two.... (or even Zen+..)

Regards,
Vishnu
 

Crumpet

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15% increase on on-board graphics performance.. gee whiz! Let me just cancel my Ryzen preorder :D
 
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UsandThem

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Intel has way too much money in reserves to be filing for Chapter 11....and plus, they are building that new factory in Arizona for 10nm chips (or was it for 7nm chips? not sure)
I was just trying to be funny. Intel isn't going anywhere, it's just a lot of people are very excited for Ryzen, and some are just posting a lot of, let's say overly ambitious threads.

I hope Ryzen does well though so when I upgrade in 3-5 years, there will be something "cool" to upgrade to with an actual performance increase you can see. The only reason I upgraded to Skylake was because my motherboard took a dive, and it made financial sense to just sell my i7-3770k because z77 replacement motherboards were overpriced and tougher to come by at the time (outside of used ones on Ebay).
 

thepaleobiker

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I see the same IPC core but in 2 4 and 6 core flavors with hyper threading on all of them.
That'd be great, if available at under $200 for 4 core/ 8 thread CPUs..... but if different socket from LGA 1151, then its still a toss-up between Intel & AMD's Ryzen :/
 
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Bouowmx

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So far, Intel socket H has changed on "Tock", now known as "Architecture" step. Since Coffee Lake is another variant of Skylake, and not Ice Lake, I predict that Coffee Lake will use socket H4 (LGA 1151).
 

moonbogg

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I expect 6 core CPU's to cost more than Ryzen 8 core CPU's. Intel might give the consumer a little more than they normally do, but I doubt it will be enough to really balance the value scale in their favor. I expect 6 core mainstream chips that perform similar to today's stuff, probably on a new socket. Intel wants you to buy new motherboards. On today's socket, we had skylake and kabylake. They never are good for more than two chips. If they let people use their existing motherboards for coffeelake, then you can thank Ryzen for that. There would be no other reason.
 

tential

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15%+ refers to mobile chip performance, don't apply this to desktop SKUs or even the 6 core Coffee Lake-H SKUs.
That's what I care about most when it comes to Intel currently since I want Atom to be faster than a Core2Duo in ST applications.
 

Teizo

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So perhaps a QTR before Zen+ is due?

If Coffee Lake doesn't include an 8 core variant, I don't see how it will stem the AMD tide that Coffee Lake is meant to do. o_O
If performance is better overall, the number cores is irrelevant.

And, I don't see Intel changing sockets for Z370. It is still a 14nm part and part of the Skylake optimization path. Only Cannonlake at 10nm should require a new socket.
 

IntelUser2000

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The bottom: "Software and workloads used in performance tests may have been optimized for performance only on Intel microprocessors".

Maybe they optimized Sysmark to get the best from the minor architectural changes, and that's how they got 15%...
I know you may be trying to be funny.

But they also claim Kabylake was 15% faster than the predecessor. Can only be the case if its mobile, and it is more or less true in mobile. They haven't catered to Desktop marketing since Pentium 4 chips, basically.
 

Bouowmx

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Only Cannonlake at 10nm should require a new socket.
Judging from the past, I think a hypothetical socketed Cannon Lake will retain socket H4; shrinked Ivy Bridge and Broadwell retained their predecessors's socket.
 

DrMrLordX

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So perhaps a QTR before Zen+ is due?

If Coffee Lake doesn't include an 8 core variant, I don't see how it will stem the AMD tide that Coffee Lake is meant to do. o_O
Really depends on what Zen+ brings to the table, but if it's 6c/12t @ 5 GHz then it might be worthy of note.

At least Intel is FINALLY coughing up more cores. They're late, though.
 

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