CO2 is green.

[ahurtt]

Has anybody seen these commercials where they actually try to convince us that it is better the more CO2 we spew into the atmosphere because it helps plants to grow and it's not a greenhouse gas? It's like they are completely oblivious to the concept of moderation and balance. Do they really think people buy this? They might as well be saying that eating nothing but fatty foods won't make you fat. . .Sure you need SOME dietary fat as your body requires a little fat to function properly but like anything else that can be good and is even necessary in moderated amounts if you eat too much of it, you're going to get obese, get heart disease, or diabetes, and probably live a very uncomfortable and sweaty life and die at a relatively young age. I dunno who is making these commercials but they need to be taken out behind the wood shed and have some common sense flogged into them. Taking what is probably the single biggest known greenhouse gas and acting like there isn't enough of it and trying to label it as Green is akin to satan himself trying to gain followers by claiming he has "found God." It's just seems mind-bogglingly self contradictory to me. . .anybody else?

Link to website:
http://www.co2isgreen.org/defa...oDetectCookieSupport=1

And here's the whois lookup info on the registrant of the domain name:
http://whois.org/whois/co2isgreen.org

Private registration!? Way to stand behind your message guys! Obviously they don't even believe their own crap they're spewing or they'd be less steeped in secrecy. You gotta wonder. . .why won't they say who they are?

Update: Here's an interesting tidbit from the whois information above. Although the registration information claims that the registrant is listed in Herndon, VA with a Herndon zip code, if you look up the area code of the phone number listed as the registrant phone number you will find that it is an area code assigned to Scranton, Pennsylvania. I called the number and got a Network Solutions automated answering system but I find it very interesting about the phone number since Scranton was historically founded on . . .ready for this. . COAL and iron production. And coal burning produces. . .evryone knows this. . .
Cooincidence?

 

[FoBoT]

everyone has an agenda and bias

it all makes me want to go live in a cave and become an anarchist

 

[Oceandevi]

Plants love CO2. Everyone knows this.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

it certainly used to be

 

[lxskllr]

I wonder which petroleum/power consortium they really belong to.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

At some point if we have too much O2 even that will be a pollutant because having too much O2 in the atmosphere could potentially cause the air to spontaeneously combust.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
At this point, I think only O2 isn't considered pollution. Even water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

it certainly used to be

Oxygen is a killer man. It causes cancer and aging.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
I wonder which petroleum/power consortium they really belong to.

My current theory is that the coal industry is behind it. See my updates to my original post for my speculation as to why.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Has anybody seen these commercials where they actually try to convince us that it is better the more CO2 we spew into the atmosphere because it helps plants to grow and it's not a greenhouse gas? It's like they are completely oblivious to the concept of moderation and balance. Do they really think people buy this? They might as well be saying that eating nothing but fatty foods won't make you fat. . .Sure you need SOME dietary fat as your body requires a little fat to function properly but like anything else that can be good and is even necessary in moderated amounts if you eat too much of it, you're going to get obese, get heart disease, or diabetes, and probably live a very uncomfortable and sweaty life and die at a relatively young age. I dunno who is making these commercials but they need to be taken out behind the wood shed and have some common sense flogged into them. Taking what is probably the single biggest known greenhouse gas (and the most abundant gas in our atmosphere already) and acting like there isn't enough of it and trying to label it as Green is akin to satan himself trying to gain followers by claiming he has "found God." It's just seems mind-bogglingly self contradictory to me. . .anybody else?

Link to website:
http://www.co2isgreen.org/defa...oDetectCookieSupport=1

And here's the whois lookup info on the registrant of the domain name:
http://whois.org/whois/co2isgreen.org

Private registration!? Way to stand behind your message guys! Obviously they don't even believe their own crap they're spewing or they'd be less steeped in secrecy. You gotta wonder. . .why won't they say who they are?

Um, it's not the "biggest known" greenhouse gas. Nor the most abundant. And it does help plants grow. Nowhere does that website say it's not a greenhouse gas, they say it's not a pollutant.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: lxskllr
I wonder which petroleum/power consortium they really belong to.

My current theory is that the coal industry is behind it. See my updates to my original post for my speculation as to why.

Nice work. The first thing I thought was coal; either the producers, or users(power companies with a preponderance of coal plants)

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Has anybody seen these commercials where they actually try to convince us that it is better the more CO2 we spew into the atmosphere because it helps plants to grow and it's not a greenhouse gas? It's like they are completely oblivious to the concept of moderation and balance. Do they really think people buy this? They might as well be saying that eating nothing but fatty foods won't make you fat. . .Sure you need SOME dietary fat as your body requires a little fat to function properly but like anything else that can be good and is even necessary in moderated amounts if you eat too much of it, you're going to get obese, get heart disease, or diabetes, and probably live a very uncomfortable and sweaty life and die at a relatively young age. I dunno who is making these commercials but they need to be taken out behind the wood shed and have some common sense flogged into them. Taking what is probably the single biggest known greenhouse gas (and the most abundant gas in our atmosphere already) and acting like there isn't enough of it and trying to label it as Green is akin to satan himself trying to gain followers by claiming he has "found God." It's just seems mind-bogglingly self contradictory to me. . .anybody else?

Link to website:
http://www.co2isgreen.org/defa...oDetectCookieSupport=1

And here's the whois lookup info on the registrant of the domain name:
http://whois.org/whois/co2isgreen.org

Private registration!? Way to stand behind your message guys! Obviously they don't even believe their own crap they're spewing or they'd be less steeped in secrecy. You gotta wonder. . .why won't they say who they are?

Um, it's not the "biggest known" greenhouse gas. Nor the most abundant. And it does help plants grow. Nowhere does that website say it's not a greenhouse gas, they say it's not a pollutant.

It is naturally occurring and not a pollutant at natural levels. But it is a pollutant at excess levels just like anything else. They act as if there's some big CO2 shortage in our atmosphere currently or something. . .If there is such a shortage currently I missed the memo. As far as I know we probably already have more than enough CO2 in our atmosphere to suit all the plants needs. Any MORE CO2 is only excess which you could say is a form of pollution as it is out of balance with what should be natural levels.

EDIT - Oh, and everyone knows this.

 

[spidey07]

CO2 is not a pollutant. How anybody can call a critical molecule to our very existence a pollutant is beyond me.

C02 is green, without it life would stop on the earth. Too much of it and the earth is even more green as the plants/algae would really take off.

 

[FoBoT]

<shrugs>
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/FoBoT/paleocarbon.gif
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFoss...oniferous_climate.html
<yawn>

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: spidey07
CO2 is not a pollutant. How anybody can call a critical molecule to our very existence a pollutant is beyond me.

C02 is green, without it life would stop on the earth. Too much of it and the earth is even more green as the plants/algae would really take off.

On this I can agree. . .CO2 is not inherently in and of itself a pollutant. But I really fail to see the need for this campaign touting it as "Green" because we are not in any danger any time soon of running out of CO2 in our atmosphere or even having any CO2 deficit either for that matter. We already arguably have a surplus so at this point, more CO2 is NOT in fact "Green" and steps should be taken to limit excess output of CO2 into the atmosphere just as you should limit your caloric intake if you are overweight and wish to lose weight. So while it may be technically wrong to label CO2 a pollutant, it is certainly not wrong to try and keep human industry from throwing off the natural balance of things by limiting its output. And that's what these "CO2 is Green" people are really after. . .being able to spew unlimited amounts of CO2 (along with who knows what other crap) into the atmosphere with no accountability. I would say maybe there should be a difference in classification for the CO2 emitted by industry and the CO2 emitted by natural biological processes like animal respiration. Any excess CO2 that is given off as a biproduct of modern day industrialization/energy production could in fact be considered a form of pollution or at least undesired excess in my opinion as it would otherwise not exist. CO2 given off by the cycles of animal respiration which is in turn necessary for plant respiration should be considered naturally occurring and therefore not a pollutant. Let the source of the CO2 determine whether or not it should be considered as a pollutant. But I concede that maybe you do have a point that it would not be the best approach for the government to just blindly label CO2 as a "pollutant" without very specific definition. But we know full well that the CO2 is green people are not merely quibbling over the definition of pollutant or not. They quite plainly have a bigger agenda driven by corporate greed at the expense of everybody's air quality. If congress were to say tomorrow, "You guys are right. It's not a pollutant, but we're still going to make you pay for emitting excess CO2 anyway," do you think these CO2 is Green guys would just happily go away happy with the knowledge that CO2 isn't a pollutant? I don't think so. Everyone knows this.

 

[phoenix79]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Update: Here's an interesting tidbit from the whois information above. Although the registration information claims that the registrant is listed in Herndon, VA with a Herndon zip code, if you look up the area code of the phone number listed as the registrant phone number you will find that it is an area code assigned to Scranton, Pennsylvania. I called the number and got a Network Solutions automated answering system but I find it very interesting about the phone number since Scranton was historically founded on . . .ready for this. . COAL and iron production. And coal burning produces. . .evryone knows this. . .
Cooincidence?

You do know that Network Solutions is a hosting company/domain registrar, right, and that you will commonly find this info on the whois for a domain they host or register, right?

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Update: Here's an interesting tidbit from the whois information above. Although the registration information claims that the registrant is listed in Herndon, VA with a Herndon zip code, if you look up the area code of the phone number listed as the registrant phone number you will find that it is an area code assigned to Scranton, Pennsylvania. I called the number and got a Network Solutions automated answering system but I find it very interesting about the phone number since Scranton was historically founded on . . .ready for this. . COAL and iron production. And coal burning produces. . .evryone knows this. . .
Cooincidence?

You do know that Network Solutions is a hosting company/domain registrar, right, and that you will commonly find this info on the whois for a domain they host or register, right?

I'm fully aware of who network solutions is and that is why I know they are not the ones behind the "CO2 is Green" campaign. Whoever is behind it appears to be hiding behind them as you can plainly see if you actually click the whois link I provide above in the original post or by clicking this link also:
http://www.networksolutions.co...-search/co2isgreen.org

You'll notice the registrant address is in care of network solutions in Herndon VA but the telephone number given for the domains administrative contact has a Scranton, PA area code. I am admittedly doing some guessing here but knowing the link between CO2 and Coal, and the fact that Scranton is historically known to be a coal mining town, I am hazarding a guess that Network solutions has a field office in Scranton and maybe that somebody local there is using them at that location. But again, I admit this is total speculation on my part. Also note the admin email address. . .networkingsolutionsprivateregistration.com? Chicken shits. . .don't even stand behind their propaganda.

 

[Iron Woode]

fail thread has failed.

CO2 levels rise and fall all the time. O2 levels were way higher back in the day and the air didn't "combust".

OP needs to take a geography and basic science course. Then a biology course.

why do people insist on getting environment info from environazis?

ask real scientists to get science info. everyone knows this.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

ask real scientists to get science info. everyone knows this.

Which real scientist? If you ask 10 scientists what they think, you'll get 15 different answers. If anyone on either side thinks climate change/pollution/greenhouse gasses is clear cut, they're seriously delusional.

 

[FoBoT]

Climate change is controlled primarily by cyclical eccentricities in Earth's rotation and orbit, as well as variations in the sun's energy output.

(1) Astronomical Causes

11 year and 206 year cycles: Cycles of solar variability ( sunspot activity )
21,000 year cycle: Earth's combined tilt and elliptical orbit around the Sun ( precession of the equinoxes )
41,000 year cycle: Cycle of the +/- 1.5° wobble in Earth's orbit ( tilt )
100,000 year cycle: Variations in the shape of Earth's elliptical orbit ( cycle of eccentricity )


(2) Atmospheric Causes

Heat retention: Due to atmospheric gases, mostly gaseous water vapor (not droplets), also carbon dioxide, methane, and a few other miscellaneous gases-- the "greenhouse effect"
Solar reflectivity: Due to white clouds, volcanic dust, polar ice caps


(3) Tectonic Causes

Landmass distribution: Shifting continents (continental drift) causing changes in circulatory patterns of ocean currents. It seems that whenever there is a large land mass at one of the Earth's poles, either the north pole or south pole, there are ice ages.
Undersea ridge activity: "Sea floor spreading" (associated with continental drift) causing variations in ocean displacement.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

ask real scientists to get science info. everyone knows this.

Which real scientist? If you ask 10 scientists what they think, you'll get 15 different answers. If anyone on either side thinks climate change/pollution/greenhouse gasses is clear cut, they're seriously delusional.

Nonsense. The debate is OVER! There can be no more debating.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

ask real scientists to get science info. everyone knows this.

Which real scientist? If you ask 10 scientists what they think, you'll get 15 different answers. If anyone on either side thinks climate change/pollution/greenhouse gasses is clear cut, they're seriously delusional.

Nonsense. The debate is OVER! There can be no more debating.

we must debate whether or not to debate the debate.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

ask real scientists to get science info. everyone knows this.

Which real scientist? If you ask 10 scientists what they think, you'll get 15 different answers. If anyone on either side thinks climate change/pollution/greenhouse gasses is clear cut, they're seriously delusional.

Nonsense. The debate is OVER! There can be no more debating.

we must debate whether or not to debate the debate.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/n...es_for_debating_in.gif

 

[gsellis]

CO2 is so green that commercial growhouses will pump the content up to 2000 ppm to force growth.

BTW, a site can be anywhere and the admin can live somewhere else. If not true, than work from home is a myth. Your loose change is starting to show.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: phoenix79

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Update: Here's an interesting tidbit from the whois information above. Although the registration information claims that the registrant is listed in Herndon, VA with a Herndon zip code, if you look up the area code of the phone number listed as the registrant phone number you will find that it is an area code assigned to Scranton, Pennsylvania. I called the number and got a Network Solutions automated answering system but I find it very interesting about the phone number since Scranton was historically founded on . . .ready for this. . COAL and iron production. And coal burning produces. . .evryone knows this. . .
Cooincidence?

You do know that Network Solutions is a hosting company/domain registrar, right, and that you will commonly find this info on the whois for a domain they host or register, right?

:laugh::laugh: when attempting to be smart on the internet fails. :laugh::laugh: