CO state senator wants instate tuition for Illegals

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I for one don't think illegals are paying more in taxes then they receive in welfare, food stamps, and unpaid medical care.

The only proof I need is to look at how much money they are sending out of the country.

You might want to rethink that. Illegal immigrants have been unable to receive welfare or food stamps for the last 12+ years. Moonbeam's article stated they might pay $4,200 on average in federal taxes or $9,000 in taxes (depending on the source of the quote). The majority of illegals tend to be young, healthy workers -- the kind least likely to require medical care. So it's pretty likely that illegals are paying more in taxes than they receive in welfare ($0), food stamps ($0), and unpaid medical care.

Now if you wanted to try and throw in public education that's a different matter. Of course if they're sending money out of the country back home to their families, the state and county governments here probably aren't paying for their kids' education back in Mexico or Guatemala. Then again, some of those kids of illegal immigrants are US citizens so we have to factor that in too.

 

[alchemize]

Don't you understand, this is part of winning the hearts and minds of the rest of the world?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I for one don't think illegals are paying more in taxes then they receive in welfare, food stamps, and unpaid medical care.

The only proof I need is to look at how much money they are sending out of the country.

You might want to rethink that. Illegal immigrants have been unable to receive welfare or food stamps for the last 12+ years. Moonbeam's article stated they might pay $4,200 on average in federal taxes or $9,000 in taxes (depending on the source of the quote). The majority of illegals tend to be young, healthy workers -- the kind least likely to require medical care. So it's pretty likely that illegals are paying more in taxes than they receive in welfare ($0), food stamps ($0), and unpaid medical care.

Now if you wanted to try and throw in public education that's a different matter. Of course if they're sending money out of the country back home to their families, the state and county governments here probably aren't paying for their kids' education back in Mexico or Guatemala. Then again, some of those kids of illegal immigrants are US citizens so we have to factor that in too.

I'll factor in what I think is fair. There is no way they are paying for their health care on a $8/hr job.

You mean illegals are unable to recieve welfare? I guess you haven't heard about Obama's Aunt Zeituni who is living in Boston off the US taxpayer?

You're an Idiot with a capital I.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I'll factor in what I think is fair. There is no way they are paying for their health care on a $8/hr job.

You mean illegals are unable to recieve welfare? I guess you haven't heard about Obama's Aunt Zeituni who is living in Boston off the US taxpayer?

You're an Idiot with a capital I.

Again, younger, healthy workers tend not to need expensive health care. Wages don't factor into that fact.

Illegals immigrants do not qualify for welfare. Best I can tell, the AP reported that Obama's aunt did receive some form of government benefits, but it was not disclosed what form those benefits took. It might very well have been that the government subsidized her housing while she was applying for asylum.

Funny how when the facts get in the way, you need to resort to name calling. I bet you win lots of arguments that way.

 

[BoomerD]

Since many illegals are here working with phony ID, phony (to them) social security cards, and many have young children, there are LOTS of illegal immigrants collecting welfare, food stamps, and medicare-type health care benefits. Lots of them are also in "section 8" housing projects as well.

Add to that the number of infectious diseases they bring into the country because they do NOT go through the same health screenings that LEGAL immigrants do, and you have small pockets of TB and other nasties that were previously eliminated in this country.

http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I for one don't think illegals are paying more in taxes then they receive in welfare, food stamps, and unpaid medical care.

The only proof I need is to look at how much money they are sending out of the country.

You might want to rethink that. Illegal immigrants have been unable to receive welfare or food stamps for the last 12+ years. Moonbeam's article stated they might pay $4,200 on average in federal taxes or $9,000 in taxes (depending on the source of the quote). The majority of illegals tend to be young, healthy workers -- the kind least likely to require medical care. So it's pretty likely that illegals are paying more in taxes than they receive in welfare ($0), food stamps ($0), and unpaid medical care.

Now if you wanted to try and throw in public education that's a different matter. Of course if they're sending money out of the country back home to their families, the state and county governments here probably aren't paying for their kids' education back in Mexico or Guatemala. Then again, some of those kids of illegal immigrants are US citizens so we have to factor that in too.

Any idea on what medical care costs when one takes a child to the ER or urgent care.
The bill can clear 10K easily for an ER visit.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I for one don't think illegals are paying more in taxes then they receive in welfare, food stamps, and unpaid medical care.

The only proof I need is to look at how much money they are sending out of the country.

You might want to rethink that. Illegal immigrants have been unable to receive welfare or food stamps for the last 12+ years. Moonbeam's article stated they might pay $4,200 on average in federal taxes or $9,000 in taxes (depending on the source of the quote). The majority of illegals tend to be young, healthy workers -- the kind least likely to require medical care. So it's pretty likely that illegals are paying more in taxes than they receive in welfare ($0), food stamps ($0), and unpaid medical care.

Now if you wanted to try and throw in public education that's a different matter. Of course if they're sending money out of the country back home to their families, the state and county governments here probably aren't paying for their kids' education back in Mexico or Guatemala. Then again, some of those kids of illegal immigrants are US citizens so we have to factor that in too.

Any idea on what medical care costs when one takes a child to the ER or urgent care.
The bill can clear 10K easily for an ER visit.

Several hospitals here in Kahleeforneeya have had to close their emergency rooms because they couldn't afford to keep providing "free" medical care to the illegals...and even the legal immigrants who don't pay.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I'll factor in what I think is fair. There is no way they are paying for their health care on a $8/hr job.

You mean illegals are unable to recieve welfare? I guess you haven't heard about Obama's Aunt Zeituni who is living in Boston off the US taxpayer?

You're an Idiot with a capital I.

Again, younger, healthy workers tend not to need expensive health care. Wages don't factor into that fact.

Illegals immigrants do not qualify for welfare. Best I can tell, the AP reported that Obama's aunt did receive some form of government benefits, but it was not disclosed what form those benefits took. It might very well have been that the government subsidized her housing while she was applying for asylum.

Funny how when the facts get in the way, you need to resort to name calling. I bet you win lots of arguments that way.

Like I'm going to change your mind?? Get real, my goal is just to piss you off.

She was denied asylum and was supposed to leave the country in 2004. BY LAW they can't ask her what her status is. Imagine that, your quoting statistics from studies that aren't even backed up with accurate facts. The only person you're going to convince is an illegal.

She doesn't even have a job, so who do you think is paying for her housing, food and medical care? She sure isn't and Obama claimed he didn't know she was in the country so he isn't paying it. Who does that leave?

The taxpayers, that's who!!

 

[L00PY]

Government assistance isn't the same thing as welfare. If Obama's aunt didn't receive welfare, why bring her up as an example of an illegal immigrant receiving welfare? Name calling and non sequiturs. Wonderful tactics.

The typical illegal immigrant is here to work and make money. Going into any government system, be it illegally applying for welfare, illegally applying for food stamps, or making an emergency room visit, all add to the risk of discovery and deportation. These are things to be avoided, not magnets for illegals.

On the other hand, an educated and skilled workforce is more productive and provides for a larger tax base than an uneducated and unskilled one. Allowing for in-state tuition is a good idea as those getting a college degree are likely the ones you'd like to have on your tax rolls.

And that Cosman lady may have been a wonderful Medieval expert, but may have also been a racist whackjob.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I'll factor in what I think is fair. There is no way they are paying for their health care on a $8/hr job.

You mean illegals are unable to recieve welfare? I guess you haven't heard about Obama's Aunt Zeituni who is living in Boston off the US taxpayer?

You're an Idiot with a capital I.

Again, younger, healthy workers tend not to need expensive health care. Wages don't factor into that fact.

Illegals immigrants do not qualify for welfare. Best I can tell, the AP reported that Obama's aunt did receive some form of government benefits, but it was not disclosed what form those benefits took. It might very well have been that the government subsidized her housing while she was applying for asylum.

Funny how when the facts get in the way, you need to resort to name calling. I bet you win lots of arguments that way.

you are forgetting the litter of kids they have as anchor babies that get free health care. i was in kroger over the weekend and had a illegal in front of me paying with WIC vouchers.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: L00PY
Government assistance isn't the same thing as welfare. If Obama's aunt didn't receive welfare, why bring her up as an example of an illegal immigrant receiving welfare? Name calling and non sequiturs. Wonderful tactics.

The typical illegal immigrant is here to work and make money. Going into any government system, be it illegally applying for welfare, illegally applying for food stamps, or making an emergency room visit, all add to the risk of discovery and deportation. These are things to be avoided, not magnets for illegals.

On the other hand, an educated and skilled workforce is more productive and provides for a larger tax base than an uneducated and unskilled one. Allowing for in-state tuition is a good idea as those getting a college degree are likely the ones you'd like to have on your tax rolls.

And that Cosman lady may have been a wonderful Medieval expert, but may have also been a racist whackjob.

dude, states like mine with law makers like in colorado just dont give a shit. i have a update to another issue senator Chris Romer did. ill put it in my OP.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: L00PY
Government assistance isn't the same thing as welfare. If Obama's aunt didn't receive welfare, why bring her up as an example of an illegal immigrant receiving welfare? Name calling and non sequiturs. Wonderful tactics.

The typical illegal immigrant is here to work and make money. Going into any government system, be it illegally applying for welfare, illegally applying for food stamps, or making an emergency room visit, all add to the risk of discovery and deportation. These are things to be avoided, not magnets for illegals.

On the other hand, an educated and skilled workforce is more productive and provides for a larger tax base than an uneducated and unskilled one. Allowing for in-state tuition is a good idea as those getting a college degree are likely the ones you'd like to have on your tax rolls.

And that Cosman lady may have been a wonderful Medieval expert, but may have also been a racist whackjob.

Since there all here illegally you have no idea what the REAL statistics are.

The simple fact is they aren't paid enough to support a family, provide health care, etc. without assistance. I guess your fine with them when they're young, healthy, and productive but what's going to happen after we've abused them for years?

I'll tell you since you seem incapable of looking down the road far enough to figure it out for yourself. People like you will be bitching and moaning about what "we" did to them. Well, "we" didn't invite them here. I also believe a strong majority of Americans resent their univited presence.

In case you haven't noticed this country is already having an economic crisis. While the illegals cheap labor may benefit whoever happens to employ them, it's obvious to me that their benefit to the larger tax base is not enough to make up for the drag they put on the system.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I'll factor in what I think is fair. There is no way they are paying for their health care on a $8/hr job.

You mean illegals are unable to recieve welfare? I guess you haven't heard about Obama's Aunt Zeituni who is living in Boston off the US taxpayer?

You're an Idiot with a capital I.

Again, younger, healthy workers tend not to need expensive health care. Wages don't factor into that fact.

Illegals immigrants do not qualify for welfare. Best I can tell, the AP reported that Obama's aunt did receive some form of government benefits, but it was not disclosed what form those benefits took. It might very well have been that the government subsidized her housing while she was applying for asylum.

Funny how when the facts get in the way, you need to resort to name calling. I bet you win lots of arguments that way.

you are forgetting the litter of kids they have as anchor babies that get free health care. i was in kroger over the weekend and had a illegal in front of me paying with WIC vouchers.

And since they're almost if not all catholic they don't believe in birth control.

 

[piasabird]

Let them prove they paid Income taxes the last five years.

At a typical Community College, the in-state tuition is 33.33% of the total tuition cost. 1/3 come from federal funds and 1/3 comes from State Reimbursements.

The State can choose to charge at whatever rate they choose. My take on this is if the state you live in allows illegal residents to live and work in the state, then the State is liable for their education. If the state does not like them, they can round them up fine their employers and the illegal people will eventually want to leave. The state allows them to be there, so the state is responsible for their education.

The Federal Government is not responsible for their education. For PELL or Federal Loans it requires a validated SS# to get Federal Aid. Just sending in an FASFFA application lets the Feds know where you are at. Plus for a Federal application for aid you are required to submit a copy of your Federal Tax Return or a statement pointing out why you did not submit one. Some people dont file because they dont make enough money. Also about 50% of all requests for PELL funds are selected for verification.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Let them prove they paid Income taxes the last five years.

At a typical Community College, the in-state tuition is 33.33% of the total tuition cost. 1/3 come from federal funds and 1/3 comes from State Reimbursements.

The State can choose to charge at whatever rate they choose. My take on this is if the state you live in allows illegal residents to live and work in the state, then the State is liable for their education. If the state does not like them, they can round them up fine their employers and the illegal people will eventually want to leave. The state allows them to be there, so the state is responsible for their education.

The Federal Government is not responsible for their education. For PELL or Federal Loans it requires a validated SS# to get Federal Aid. Just sending in an FASFFA application lets the Feds know where you are at. Plus for a Federal application for aid you are required to submit a copy of your Federal Tax Return or a statement pointing out why you did not submit one. Some people dont file because they dont make enough money. Also about 50% of all requests for PELL funds are selected for verification.

I agree with this. using fake SSN's and claiming tons of dependents as many do results in them paying $0 income tax. It's not like it's a big secret, everyone knows about it but still nothing is done.

Fuck that.