CO State Senator requests unrelated 2,000 page bill read to delay vote on another bill

[DrDoug]

The bill that he is trying to delay is one that the Republicans and their wealthy buddies in the oil and gas industry hate. Democrats estimated that reading the unrelated bill would delay proceedings for 60 hours. Said Sen. speaks:

“I’m just following the rules,” Sen. John Cooke, R-Greeley, said with a smile when asked about his request to read the whole bill. “We keep saying we want things slowed down, and this is the only thing we have in our arsenal.”

Reading of the bill commenced and while it was being read Democrats brought in five computers to speed up the reading of the bill, completing it by 5:30 pm the same day (Monday). After watching Republicans pull out every trick in the book for years to get what they want, it's refreshing to see the Democrats pulling out a few of their own.

More of this, please!

 

[UberNeuman]

Hell, yeah! lol.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Politicians are all disgusting creatures. They exist to raise money to get elected and then once elected spend most of their time raising money for them and their buddies to get elected again. And let’s not forget meaning with lobbiest who definitely don’t sneak money under the table somehow to pass laws that are probably to the public’s detriment and then spin it to look what we’ve done. And when election time comes up buy votes by promising all sorts of cool free shit. No one campaigns on cutting government, saying we won’t spend you to death anymore, we need to impose policies that you might not like but will be good for the long term etc. Nope. Free shit and tax cuts. And then somehow they start their public life with a very modest net worth and then come out of it with millions and millions of dollars. Amazing!

 

[Jhhnn]

Politicians are all disgusting creatures. They exist to raise money to get elected and then once elected spend most of their time raising money for them and their buddies to get elected again. And let’s not forget meaning with lobbiest who definitely don’t sneak money under the table somehow to pass laws that are probably to the public’s detriment and then spin it to look what we’ve done. And when election time comes up buy votes by promising all sorts of cool free shit. No one campaigns on cutting government, saying we won’t spend you to death anymore, we need to impose policies that you might not like but will be good for the long term etc. Nope. Free shit and tax cuts. And then somehow they start their public life with a very modest net worth and then come out of it with millions and millions of dollars. Amazing!

Both sides... so soon? Have you no shame?

 

[ivwshane]

Both sides... so soon? Have you no shame?

He just likes to show everyone how clueless he really is. To him "both sides" sounds smart, to everyone else, it's just pure laziness.

 

[UglyCasanova]

He just like to show everyone how he clueless he really is. To him "both sides" sounds smart, to everyone else, it's just pure laziness.

The mechanism for corruption for politicians doesn’t care about whether you’re an elephant or a donkey. The donkeys certainly function on money in politics just as much as the elephants. Tribalism causes you to not be able to see the corruption that goes on within the party you subscribe to. Money in politics corrupts, and there is money in politics across the board.

And lastly the response of "both sides!!" is what is pure laziness. I unhid the response you quoted to see what you are talking about and what a suprise it was Jhhnn (who responds to me knowing that I’ve blocked him) responding back with "both sides!!" which he does to almost all my posts, or nonsense about "concern". Empty one or two word responses such as "concern" or "both sides" regurgitated after any post I make like you and Jhhnn do is the the true laziness. To the opinion echo bubble that is P&N responding back "concerned!" or "both sides!" it may sound smart but to anyone else it comes across as a juvenile way to skirt around having to engage in an actual conversation and is pure laziness.

 

[ivwshane]

The mechanism for corruption for politicians doesn’t care about whether you’re an elephant or a donkey. The donkeys certainly function on money in politics just as much as the elephants. Tribalism causes you to not be able to see the corruption that goes on within the party you subscribe to. Money in politics corrupts, and there is money in politics across the board.

And lastly the response of "both sides!!" is what is pure laziness. I unhid the response you quoted to see what you are talking about and what a suprise it was Jhhnn (who responds to me knowing that I’ve blocked him) responding back with "both sides!!" which he does to almost all my posts, or nonsense about "concern". Empty one or two word responses such as "concern" or "both sides" regurgitated after any post I make like you and Jhhnn do is the the true laziness. To the opinion echo bubble that is P&N responding back "concerned!" or "both sides!" it may sound smart but to anyone else it comes across as a juvenile way to skirt around having to engage in an actual conversation and is pure laziness.

You are the echo chamber, you are just too stupid to know it.

There is nothing to respond to, you didn't even bother discussing the topic at hand. If this place was an echo chamber you'd have been banned long ago for trolling.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are the echo chamber, you are just too stupid to know it.

He's almost concerned enough to use Google to find sources to compare corruption numbers.....almost.

And lol, Jhnnn on his ignore list....

Anywho, back to the OP, I get a good chuckle out of those political games sometimes, but prefer people to just work together to get stuff done...dare to dream.

 

[DrDoug]

The mechanism for corruption for politicians doesn’t care about whether you’re an elephant or a donkey. The donkeys certainly function on money in politics just as much as the elephants. Tribalism causes you to not be able to see the corruption that goes on within the party you subscribe to. Money in politics corrupts, and there is money in politics across the board.

And lastly the response of "both sides!!" is what is pure laziness. I unhid the response you quoted to see what you are talking about and what a suprise it was Jhhnn (who responds to me knowing that I’ve blocked him) responding back with "both sides!!" which he does to almost all my posts, or nonsense about "concern". Empty one or two word responses such as "concern" or "both sides" regurgitated after any post I make like you and Jhhnn do is the the true laziness. To the opinion echo bubble that is P&N responding back "concerned!" or "both sides!" it may sound smart but to anyone else it comes across as a juvenile way to skirt around having to engage in an actual conversation and is pure laziness.

How about we beat this both sides shit into the ground right now.

Both sides are not equal, nor are they completely corrupt. Are they" No, they aren't. That's like saying all gun owners are shitty gun owners, or that they're all excellent practitioners of the 2nd Amendment. Keep running with that and insert various others into that framework. Doesn't work so well for you now, does it? Nope. What you are doing is a very conservative thing; painting complex things with a broad brush so everything can be explained away with a toss of a simple sentence. You don't want to deal with the nuances of the situations that you broad brush away because you know that it doesn't make the things you like look very good.

I would like to think that you are smarter than this and will stop this stupid argument of yours now that it's been pointed out to you (yet again), so I'll leave it here so you can prove me wrong.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Look at the links on that, the Republicans sued and a court said that the Democrats couldn't do what they did (not sure if the sticking point is that they let several machines read different parts at the same time, thus far speeding it up; it seems to say they can't have machines read things to begin with).

Of course its clear the Republicans were not acting in the spirit of things either (they sued claiming the Democrats acted outside the spirit of procedure or something) and are just trying to be assholes because well they're Republicans.

 

[Luna1968]

The bill that he is trying to delay is one that the Republicans and their wealthy buddies in the oil and gas industry hate. Democrats estimated that reading the unrelated bill would delay proceedings for 60 hours. Said Sen. speaks:



Reading of the bill commenced and while it was being read Democrats brought in five computers to speed up the reading of the bill, completing it by 5:30 pm the same day (Monday). After watching Republicans pull out every trick in the book for years to get what they want, it's refreshing to see the Democrats pulling out a few of their own.

More of this, please!

do you live in CO? do you have any idea what that bill that the democrats are bum rushing through the the process will do the economy of CO? the voters rejected the Oil and Gas crap on last years ballot but now that the democrats are in control they are saying FUCK YOU to the voters and ram rodding their crap into law. its fucking disgusting.

 

[UglyCasanova]

You are the echo chamber, you are just too stupid to know it.

There is nothing to respond to, you didn't even bother discussing the topic at hand. If this place was an echo chamber you'd have been banned long ago for trolling.

I’m not trolling, if you consider my posts trolling I don’t think you understand what the term means. I did respond to the topic at hand. The OP is a post about the slimy tactics used by the politician in Colorado to get what he wants and also the connection to his wealthy buddies andnthe influence of money in politics. My response was my opinion that yes he’s right, they are slimy and money does play a huge influence to get those with money whatever they want politically. I agree with the sentiment posed by the OP, you just don’t like my opinion that it occurs across the board.

You call me an echo chamber, I’d love to hear your explanation of that. And how am I a troll or should be banned for that? I post my own opinions, having an opinion that differs from yours doesn’t make me a troll. I don’t follow people around and call them names, curse them out, constantly post the same one or two word empty attack on them as an attempt to silence them and divert the conversation of what they have to say. That more closely fits the definition of a troll which is why I blocked Jhhnn and. Victorian because that is all they did (and oddly still do even though they know I have them blocked), those are trolls.

I do agree with the OP and his disdain for politicians, their maneuvering to get whstbhey want, the hypocrisy because if the situation were flipped he’d probably be throwing fits about the Dems doing the same thing, and his opinion that big money plays an outside influence in that process. Completely agree with the
OP in my post, I just added my opinion that the disdain that he expressed for politicians and corruption and the influence of money into politics is not isolated to Republicans and the right but one that is an issue with politicians in general across the board.


Those are my legitimate opinions so no I’m not a troll nor a one man echo chamber.


OP as you can tell I do agree with you. I welcome the politicians idea of slowing down the process and not passing these bills without reading them, but obviously this guy doesn’t really give a frick about it and is simply being a politician and using it as a tactic to get what he wants. If the tables were turned and a Dem was using the same tactic he’d be throwing a fit.

 

[Jhhnn]

And lol, Jhnnn on his ignore list....

Denial takes many forms.

I'll grant that he's got a lot of chutzpah going on about bothsiderism corruption while McConnell stonewalls HR1 but that's about it. He's in it to burn it down by spreading the FUD.

Colorado Republicans suck, right up to the big money every time. A few of the more prominent are insane fucking nutbars. think we're gonna dump one of them in 2020- Corey Gardner.

 

[DrDoug]

do you live in CO? do you have any idea what that bill that the democrats are bum rushing through the the process will do the economy of CO? the voters rejected the Oil and Gas crap on last years ballot but now that the democrats are in control they are saying FUCK YOU to the voters and ram rodding their crap into law. its fucking disgusting.

Let's see:

Colorado Democratic lawmakers released a plan late Friday afternoon for a major overhaul of oil and gas regulations that would make human health and environmental protection the state's highest priority, not energy production. The bill also includes provisions giving local governments the authority to regulate the location of new wells and to impose fines for spills and pollution. Currently, only the state has those powers. The bill would also put a hold on some new state drilling permits until the revised rules are in place. The legislation would bring a fundamental change to the way the state oversees one of its biggest and most contentious industries. State law currently requires regulators to encourage oil and gas production and says health and environmental protections are limited by what is feasible and cost-effective.

How horrible! Why are Democrats are looking to the health, safety and environment of Colorado and its people, shouldn't they just let the free market sort it out and let the cards fall where they may?

Get stuffed.

 

[Jhhnn]

do you live in CO? do you have any idea what that bill that the democrats are bum rushing through the the process will do the economy of CO? the voters rejected the Oil and Gas crap on last years ballot but now that the democrats are in control they are saying FUCK YOU to the voters and ram rodding their crap into law. its fucking disgusting.

You have no idea what you're talking about. The failed referendum & the current bill aren't the same thing at all. Read up-

https://kdvr.com/2019/03/12/lawmake...c-racism-as-debate-continues-on-senate-floor/

I doubt obstructionist posturing will really help lawmakers make the kind of compromises that are good for all Coloradans.

 

[Luna1968]

You have no idea what you're talking about. The failed referendum & the current bill aren't the same thing at all. Read up-

https://kdvr.com/2019/03/12/lawmake...c-racism-as-debate-continues-on-senate-floor/

I doubt obstructionist posturing will really help lawmakers make the kind of compromises that are good for all Coloradans.

I know exactly what I am talking about. The voters of the state made it clear to leave oil and gas alone and totally rejected the setback crap on last falls ballot. But the democrats are pissed it got rejected come in and want to get their way by fucking with jobs and local economy. funny how all the assholes in Denver and the burbs dictate whats good in Durango or Sterling. Its disgusting.

 

[Jhhnn]

The voters of the state made it clear to leave oil and gas alone. But the democrats come in and want to get their way by fucking with jobs. Its disgusting.

The voters made it clear that the initiative was too extreme. They gave Dems a trifecta in State govt at the same time, knowing full well that Dems want better regulation. Cooke's grandstanding obstructionism won't change the outcome. It'll just waste everybody's time.

 

[sactoking]

So I'm confused. Voters rejected a similar but not identical measure on a prior ballot? So legislators should not enact something similar because the voters said no? Something similar happened in Nevada in 2015 when a business tax was soundly trounced on the ballot but passed by elected representatives. People said "The voters spoke when they said no!" So we should respect the will of the voters when they decide on a referendum?

Then how is it that voters approved private party background checks in Nevada in 2016 and the same people who said we need to respect the will of the voters on the business tax now say that the voice of the voters doesn't mean anything and they won't enforce the law?

It couldn't be that they (conservatives in this case) are hypocritical could it?!?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Sounds like the lefties are more satisfied with the Democrats getting their way than whether or not this is good policy. What children.

 

[brycejones]

I know exactly what I am talking about. The voters of the state made it clear to leave oil and gas alone and totally rejected the setback crap on last falls ballot. But the democrats are pissed it got rejected come in and want to get their way by fucking with jobs and local economy. funny how all the assholes in Denver and the burbs dictate whats good in Durango or Sterling. Its disgusting.

What's disgusting is the sudden influx of sock puppets. To afraid to post under your regular forum name?

 

[SlowSpyder]

What's disgusting is the sudden influx of sock puppets. To afraid to post under your regular forum name?

What evidence do you have that that poster is a sock? Because they post opinions you don't agree with? You are another evangelical leftist, the flat earther of political discussion.

 

[soulcougher73]

Sounds like the lefties are more satisfied with the Democrats getting their way than whether or not this is good policy. What children.

Sounds like someone doesnt know what the bill is about. Can you explain how "regulations that would make human health and environmental protection the state's highest priority, not energy production." are bad for people?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Sounds like someone doesnt know what the bill is about. Can you explain how "regulations that would make human health and environmental protection the state's highest priority, not energy production." are bad for people?

Not to mention the projection drenched concern over adults "acting like children". Like, really? Lol, but he's not a troll!

 

[soulcougher73]

Not to mention the projection drenched concern over adults "acting like children". Like, really? Lol, but he's not a troll!

It must suck for Spydy to be assigned to this site. "Сэр, я никого не убедил на этом сайте, что Тrump потрясающий"