[CNN] US Government bans Nvidia and AMD from selling GPUs to Chinese too

[Mondozei]

For supercomputers, that it. It's the department of commerce that is responsible for this, CNN reports.

I heard about the Intel case but not about Nvidia. They are now going after Nvidia's Tesla GPUs, too.

The Chinese are already underway of trying to come up with CPUs that will match x86 in performance, will they now do the same in GPUs? I sure hope we'll get to see a Chinese rival to AMD/Nvidia down the line even if they'd begin on the enterprise.

Furthermore, since the CEOs of Nvidia and AMD are both ethnically Chinese, it can't be a very pleasant situation for either of them personally, as they surely have loyalties to their ancestral homeland/their ethnic people as well as to America and hate to see both of these countries go at each other. (Jen-Hsun in particular has family there and has been talking openly about how he tried too assimiliate too much and as a result has been trying to learn mandarin of late).

 

[3DVagabond]

Since the cards are assembled in China it's going to be impossible to keep them out of China's hands.

As far as Lisa and Jen-Hsun being ethnically Chinese that shouldn't matter to them at all. I'm Irish by ancestry. If Ireland was using American components to design nukes targeted at us, I'd cut them off as well.

 

[Silverforce11]

Furthermore, since the CEOs of Nvidia and AMD are both ethnically Chinese, it can't be a very pleasant situation for either of them personally, as they surely have loyalties to their ancestral homeland/their ethnic people as well as to America and hate to see both of these countries go at each other. (Jen-Hsun in particular has family there and has been talking openly about how he tried too assimiliate too much and as a result has been trying to learn mandarin of late).

Interesting statement there, inferring someone's else potential loyalty and ethics based on your own personal biases?

Frankly such views do not belong on a tech forum.

ps. Silly US government or silly journalist to attempt/publish such rubbish. I really like to see them stop the evil Chinese government from getting their hands on products assembled on their territory.

 

[boozzer]

for a second there I thought I was reading a thread in a political fringe forum.

 

[Riceninja]

just another opportunity for china to develop their own homegrown gpu industry

 

[5150Joker]

Interesting statement there, inferring someone's else potential loyalty and ethics based on your own personal biases?

Frankly such views do not belong on a tech forum.

ps. Silly US government or silly journalist to attempt/publish such rubbish. I really like to see them stop the evil Chinese government from getting their hands on products assembled on their territory.

Agreed on all counts.

 

[alcoholbob]

Well gee op I guess we'll have to reopen those internment camps OP eh? Since we can't verify their patriotism to Murrica.

 

[gdansk]

Not until we're at war.

In which case camps would be a bit of waste given we've already been destroyed with new and improved, 25% more environmentally friendly, Chinese nuclear weaponry.

 

[3DVagabond]

Not until we're at war.

In which case camps would be a bit of waste given we've already been destroyed with new and improved, 25% more environmentally friendly, Chinese nuclear weaponry.

If they've improved their accuracy enough to hit North America.

 

[arandomguy]

Furthermore, since the CEOs of Nvidia and AMD are both ethnically Chinese, it can't be a very pleasant situation for either of them personally, as they surely have loyalties to their ancestral homeland/their ethnic people as well as to America and hate to see both of these countries go at each other. (Jen-Hsun in particular has family there and has been talking openly about how he tried too assimiliate too much and as a result has been trying to learn mandarin of late).

They were both born in Taiwan which isn't quite the same as being born in mainland China given the circumstances of the last 50+ years.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

ps. Silly US government or silly journalist to attempt/publish such rubbish. I really like to see them stop the evil Chinese government from getting their hands on products assembled on their territory.

Implying NVidia doesn't know it's missing a crate of Titan X? They know how many chips go in, they know how many assembled units go out. No one is stealing from them on a scale that could compensate for the volume of sales this ban applies to.

 

[3DVagabond]

Implying NVidia doesn't know it's missing a crate of Titan X? They know how many chips go in, they know how many assembled units go out. No one is stealing from them on a scale that could compensate for the volume of sales this ban applies to.

They can still sell them in China. Just not to the specified clients.

 

[Shehriazad]

You didn't just call Taiwanese people Chinese.... Sheesh..I don't even know what to say....I'm a tiny bit offended



Anyway....those 2 are not likely to feel any "ethnic responsibility" to sell their stuff to China...they will however feel the responsibility to make as much money for their company as they can...and thus those cards will find a way onto that market, regardless.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

They can still sell them in China. Just not to the specified clients.

I know, I read the source. That's not the point I was making though.

 

[therealnickdanger]

Furthermore, since the CEOs of Nvidia and AMD are both ethnically Chinese...

Dr. Su was born in Taiwan, and is now an American citizen. Likewise, Huang was also born in Taiwan and is an American citizen.

Also, Taiwan is not China. Even Chinese people be like:

(while technically Chinese, would he qualify as a British citizen, having been born under British rule of HK?)

 

[swilli89]

Pretty interesting stuff actually. They should ban sales to the entire country if they are serious about hindering China's ability to develop weapons of mass destruction, they can easily set up shell companies to illegally purchase our technology.

Let them spend a few hundred billion to catch up to Intel, Nvidia and AMD

 

[ultimatebob]

Pretty interesting stuff actually. They should ban sales to the entire country if they are serious about hindering China's ability to develop weapons of mass destruction, they can easily set up shell companies to illegally purchase our technology.

Let them spend a few hundred billion to catch up to Intel, Nvidia and AMD

That would be amusing... banning sales of a product in the country where most of the cards are produced

On the flip side, this is motivation for China to develop and improve their own CPU and GPU technology. Perhaps the extra competition will drive down prices a few years down the road once China has successfully cloned Intel/AMD/Nvidia's tech.

 

[swilli89]

That would be amusing... banning sales of a product in the country where most of the cards are produced

On the flip side, this is motivation for China to develop and improve their own CPU and GPU technology. Perhaps the extra competition will drive down prices a few years down the road once China has successfully cloned Intel/AMD/Nvidia's tech.

"produced" is a vague word here. Taiwan, Korea, US, and Europe have all the fabs where the magic actually happens. End products may be assembled in China but we can easily move that to another cheap labor source.