CNN sticks it's finger in the air and gets it wrong once again. MSNBC made the same mistake once

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Its all business folks. Remember that CNN/MSNBC/Fox/Whoever, they have a profit motive and their job is to keep your ass in the seat so they can soak up cable sub fees and ad revenue. Informing you of anything is not going to be priority number 1.

Whenever possible, look for source documents. Sometimes those are lengthy and somewhat dense, so then its time to go look for one degree of separation that cites the source document extensively while providing context and explanation.

As I'm getting older, my outlook is getting more dour and dystopian. Dunno if I'm gonna slowly spiral into paranoid psychosis but the world looks more and more Orwellian every day.
 

Captante

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CNN deservedly or not does have a rep for being left-biased.... more than once I've gotten into a story there and ended up shaking my head for just that reason too. (bias of ANY kind in "news" = bad)

Having said that, compared to Fox or OAN they're a relative shining beacon of truth even with these changes.
 

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I agree.

SOMEBODY has to be the opposition.

Why does the news media surrender to this guy? They cannot be that scared of him. Well, maybe some are.

I don't have cable anymore. Couldn't afford it. But I never viewed CNN as my go-to news network. It was always MSNBC.

I want to listen and watch someone who has my back BEHIND my back.
 
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My preference for "mainstream" news is CBS New York.... they seem to have not forgotten that news needs to be vetted prior to being reported as fact.

Otherwise I try to read as many different sources as I can manage in order to maintain some objectivity.
 
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My preference for "mainstream" news is CBS New York.... they seem to have not forgotten that news needs to be vetted prior to being reported as fact.

Otherwise I try to read as many different sources as I can manage in order to maintain some objectivity.
The small amount of news I do watch is CBS as well.
 
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CNN has a left bias, particularly since 2015. It's bias is financially motivated. Because Fox News took all the conservative viewers a long time ago, CNN must cater to what audience is available to it. And the emergence of Trump was of course a huge boon for them, moneywise.

It's important to understand how the biases in mainstream media work though. They tend to be fine with the facts. The bias affects their topic selection and how their headlines are framed.
 

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All cable news is just shit. Empty calories packed full of the worst commercials on TV.

None of them have any depth and in general the product is outrage.
 
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Captante

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Most "entertainment leaning" video news is only sound-bites of stories and not enough information to really understand the all-important "why" in what happened.... that requires effort and (gasp) actual reading.
 
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Discovery has at least one activist investor (John Malone, the largest shareholder and chief Warner Discovery merger architect) who is Trumpian, very anti-CNN, and had specific plans about editorial direction they want to see implemented post merger.
 
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Most "entertainment leaning" video news is only sound-bites of stories and not enough information to really understand the all-important "why" in what happened.... that requires effort and (gasp) actual reading.

That is exactly what I don't like. They never get to the nub.
 

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Its all business folks. Remember that CNN/MSNBC/Fox/Whoever, they have a profit motive and their job is to keep your ass in the seat so they can soak up cable sub fees and ad revenue. Informing you of anything is not going to be priority number 1.

Whenever possible, look for source documents. Sometimes those are lengthy and somewhat dense, so then its time to go look for one degree of separation that cites the source document extensively while providing context and explanation.

As I'm getting older, my outlook is getting more dour and dystopian. Dunno if I'm gonna slowly spiral into paranoid psychosis but the world looks more and more Orwellian every day.
I hear a whole bunch of excellent points and arguments from a lot of different angles. My opinion was, when I read this news, that CNN can go fuck themselves and the guy behind this, well, one shouldn't have those kinds of thoughts.

But the post I want to speak to is yours because it makes me sad. It bothers me to see people hurting in ways I think unnecessary.

We are the world in that our attitude, the degree to which we have been programmed to feel negative emotions or the degree to which we have transcended them by various means, determine what our attitude is and because this programming took place long ago before we could reason and accept or reject its validity, that programming is now unconsciously fixed. It forms the unconscious assumptions that motivate our thinking.

There is just so much to say about this, but what I want to tell you here is that in my opinion everything we fear has already happened. We bought into the lie that there is something terribly wrong with us, and have deeply repressed those feelings. We have all been through worse than a concentration camp. How? As children we had no psychological defenses against pain, the fear that the support we needed to stay alive would be withdrawn is we did not surrender our natural desires and pretend to adjust.

When you say, "As I'm getting older, my outlook is getting more dour and dystopian. Dunno if I'm gonna slowly spiral into paranoid psychosis but the world looks more and more Orwellian every day.", I think that what is really happening is that for reasons particular to you, your armor has begun to leak. The suffering you have repressed to survive your childhood is surfacing against great fear that it will. I believe that madness is just the repression of fear, the fear that we are worthless if our programming fails. We fear fear and the fear we fear happened long ago and was based on a lie.

I don't know how to help you free yourself from this fear. I have the same fear, but I can say that I have experienced moments of release. I know what can happen when thinking which is fear comes to a brief stop, and I know the profound catharsis one can feel reliving a past traumatic event. It is something I just couldn't believe I was carrying.

So while I can't do much, what I have learned I call unlearning, the letting go of faith in what I was programmed to believe, namely that I knew things. All those things are there to protect us from pain, a pain created by belief in a lie. Unlearning faith in the ego, that what I know is real, helps me be more open to other possibilities. I say so hoping the same for you.

I believe in the possibility of psychological growth and even that one can be free and that the only real enemy I have is me.

So I believe your vision of the world is real but comes from echos of the past and that it is attitude and not facts that create our reaction to it. The joy we experienced in childhood, to the degree we were able to do so, is where the deprogrammed mind returns to. From there what the possibilities are I wouldn't know but infinite suggests itself as a possibility.

But the world we see around us is the world of programmed gods who have been trained to act like ants.

Not everybody will like hearing that, perhaps.
 

HomerJS

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CNN has a left bias, particularly since 2015. It's bias is financially motivated. Because Fox News took all the conservative viewers a long time ago, CNN must cater to what audience is available to it. And the emergence of Trump was of course a huge boon for them, moneywise.

It's important to understand how the biases in mainstream media work though. They tend to be fine with the facts. The bias affects their topic selection and how their headlines are framed.
What do you mean by left bias? Groups who examine the media for a living rate CNN more centrist
 
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hal2kilo

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Discovery has at least one activist investor (John Malone, the largest shareholder and chief Warner Discovery merger architect) who is Trumpian, very anti-CNN, and had specific plans about editorial direction they want to see implemented post merger.
They have one channel that's basically is a 24/7 loop about Hitler. Hell, it's been 20 years since the movie Sideways came out and it had the guys mother sleeping while that channel was on.
 

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I hear a whole bunch of excellent points and arguments from a lot of different angles. My opinion was, when I read this news, that CNN can go fuck themselves and the guy behind this, well, one shouldn't have those kinds of thoughts.

But the post I want to speak to is yours because it makes me sad. It bothers me to see people hurting in ways I think unnecessary.

We are the world in that our attitude, the degree to which we have been programmed to feel negative emotions or the degree to which we have transcended them by various means, determine what our attitude is and because this programming took place long ago before we could reason and accept or reject its validity, that programming is now unconsciously fixed. It forms the unconscious assumptions that motivate our thinking.

There is just so much to say about this, but what I want to tell you here is that in my opinion everything we fear has already happened. We bought into the lie that there is something terribly wrong with us, and have deeply repressed those feelings. We have all been through worse than a concentration camp. How? As children we had no psychological defenses against pain, the fear that the support we needed to stay alive would be withdrawn is we did not surrender our natural desires and pretend to adjust.

When you say, "As I'm getting older, my outlook is getting more dour and dystopian. Dunno if I'm gonna slowly spiral into paranoid psychosis but the world looks more and more Orwellian every day.", I think that what is really happening is that for reasons particular to you, your armor has begun to leak. The suffering you have repressed to survive your childhood is surfacing against great fear that it will. I believe that madness is just the repression of fear, the fear that we are worthless if our programming fails. We fear fear and the fear we fear happened long ago and was based on a lie.

I don't know how to help you free yourself from this fear. I have the same fear, but I can say that I have experienced moments of release. I know what can happen when thinking which is fear comes to a brief stop, and I know the profound catharsis one can feel reliving a past traumatic event. It is something I just couldn't believe I was carrying.

So while I can't do much, what I have learned I call unlearning, the letting go of faith in what I was programmed to believe, namely that I knew things. All those things are there to protect us from pain, a pain created by belief in a lie. Unlearning faith in the ego, that what I know is real, helps me be more open to other possibilities. I say so hoping the same for you.

I believe in the possibility of psychological growth and even that one can be free and that the only real enemy I have is me.

So I believe your vision of the world is real but comes from echos of the past and that it is attitude and not facts that create our reaction to it. The joy we experienced in childhood, to the degree we were able to do so, is where the deprogrammed mind returns to. From there what the possibilities are I wouldn't know but infinite suggests itself as a possibility.

But the world we see around us is the world of programmed gods who have been trained to act like ants.

Not everybody will like hearing that, perhaps.

- Yes, I should microdose psychedelics. Either my latent schizophrenia is unleashed or I confront whatever makes me see the world as a reflection of myself.
 
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Indus

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I used to watch World News Tonight with Peter Jennings and Charles Gibson but they just aren't the same since the 2010 elections and give platforms to right wing viewpoints way too easily.

Much prefer The Guardian, CBS, Politico and Newsweek.

For polls I prefer RCP.