Ousted Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide claims he ''did not resign'' and was ''kidnapped'' by U.S. diplomatic and military officials, U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters told The Herald on Monday.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan called the claim ``complete nonsense.''
''It was Mr. Aristide's decision to resign,'' he said.
Originally posted by: Tabb
Even if he was abducted....Who gives a crap? Should he have been their in the first place?
Originally posted by: onelove
so, either aristide has an axe to grind b/c US turned its back on him, or else bush administration is shading the truth. Frankly, their credibility is about equal (low, but not non-existent). Will be interesting to see what becomes of this story.
Originally posted by: smashp
man, this is wha Aristide gets for being a member of the coalition of the willing.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.
CkG
Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.
CkG
as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.
CkG
as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.
You might want to find out who those 3 people are. It might help you to figure out why their credibility is what should be questioned.
CkG
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Tabb
Even if he was abducted....Who gives a crap? Should he have been their in the first place?
he was popularly elected at least once.
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.
CkG
as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.
You might want to find out who those 3 people are. It might help you to figure out why their credibility is what should be questioned.
CkG
I don't see any reason to doubt that Aristide told them what they said he told them. As far as I can tell at CNN that is the extent of their comments, so the credibilty at issue seems to me to be Aristides vs our government, and I trust Colin Powell.
Maxine Waters sees the world differently than I do, but I don't recall any particular reason to question her credibility ?
Charley Rangel is someone I admire, although I'd welcome hearing why you question his credibility.
Randall Robinson, I'm not sure who he is without something to jog my memory.
Powell said flatly, "He was not kidnapped," and criticized U.S. congressmen for saying that Aristide had been kidnapped without checking with the Bush administration first to see what the story was.
"He was not kidnapped. We did not force him on the airplane. He went on the plane willingly," Powell said.
The secretary said Aristide wrote a letter of resignation and only then did the United States bring an airplane to help him leave the country.
linkyKerry (D-Mass.) said he would have sent troops to Haiti even without international support to quell the revolt against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
"President Kerry would never have allowed that to get where it is," Kerry said, though he added he's not "a big Aristide fan."
But he insisted the White House "has empowered the insurgents, and they've done it quite purposely out of their dislike ... for Aristide."
A Kerry administration would have given the rebels a 48-hour ultimatum to come up with a peaceful agreement - "otherwise, we're coming in," he said.
"I would intervene with the international community, and absent an international force, I'd do it unilaterally," he said, adding the most important thing was to protect democracy.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.
CkG
as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.
You might want to find out who those 3 people are. It might help you to figure out why their credibility is what should be questioned.
CkG
I don't see any reason to doubt that Aristide told them what they said he told them. As far as I can tell at CNN that is the extent of their comments, so the credibilty at issue seems to me to be Aristides vs our government, and I trust Colin Powell.
Maxine Waters sees the world differently than I do, but I don't recall any particular reason to question her credibility ?
Charley Rangel is someone I admire, although I'd welcome hearing why you question his credibility.
Randall Robinson, I'm not sure who he is without something to jog my memory.
Powell said flatly, "He was not kidnapped," and criticized U.S. congressmen for saying that Aristide had been kidnapped without checking with the Bush administration first to see what the story was.
"He was not kidnapped. We did not force him on the airplane. He went on the plane willingly," Powell said.
The secretary said Aristide wrote a letter of resignation and only then did the United States bring an airplane to help him leave the country.
Well, if he resigned then these stories they heard "on the phone" don't hold much weight, do they? Was he "pressured"? Hell yes, he was going to be killed by the "rebels" if he didn't. I'd call that "pressure" - wouldn't you? This whole issue about questioning the Administration is BS and like I said - the ones who's credibility should be questioned is the 3 yahoos who say they heard it on the phone instead of the Administration. But yeah - it's the election season so anything and everything should be twisted into some smear against the Bush Administration.
I wonder what the "internationalist" kerry would have done. You think he would have gone through the UN and acted with our allies? Oh wait here is what he said he'd do:
linkyKerry (D-Mass.) said he would have sent troops to Haiti even without international support to quell the revolt against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
"President Kerry would never have allowed that to get where it is," Kerry said, though he added he's not "a big Aristide fan."
But he insisted the White House "has empowered the insurgents, and they've done it quite purposely out of their dislike ... for Aristide."
A Kerry administration would have given the rebels a 48-hour ultimatum to come up with a peaceful agreement - "otherwise, we're coming in," he said.
"I would intervene with the international community, and absent an international force, I'd do it unilaterally," he said, adding the most important thing was to protect democracy.
I guess it's only "good for democracy" if we act unilaterally when a democrat does it.![]()
CkG
Well, if he resigned then these stories they heard "on the phone" don't hold much weight, do they? Was he "pressured"? Hell yes, he was going to be killed by the "rebels" if he didn't. I'd call that "pressure" - wouldn't you? This whole issue about questioning the Administration is BS and like I said - the ones who's credibility should be questioned is the 3 yahoos who say they heard it on the phone instead of the Administration. But yeah - it's the election season so anything and everything should be twisted into some smear against the Bush Administration.
Originally posted by: onelove
Well, if he resigned then these stories they heard "on the phone" don't hold much weight, do they? Was he "pressured"? Hell yes, he was going to be killed by the "rebels" if he didn't. I'd call that "pressure" - wouldn't you? This whole issue about questioning the Administration is BS and like I said - the ones who's credibility should be questioned is the 3 yahoos who say they heard it on the phone instead of the Administration. But yeah - it's the election season so anything and everything should be twisted into some smear against the Bush Administration.
somebody get Aristide's maid on for 60 minutes
EDIT: <grin>