CNN: Reports Aristide was Abducted / Handccuffed / Deposed by US Military

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Rumsfeld is on CNN now (1:44 pm ET) taking questions about reported abduction.

Can this adminstration do anything right?
 

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Can you post anything that doesn't require tinfoil and blames Bush?

CkG
 

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According to CNN's current front page:

"Meanwhile, an African-American activist said Aristide told him he was "abducted" by U.S. soldiers. The White House denied the claim."
 

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The San Jose Mercury has more:

Ousted Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide claims he ''did not resign'' and was ''kidnapped'' by U.S. diplomatic and military officials, U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters told The Herald on Monday.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan called the claim ``complete nonsense.''

''It was Mr. Aristide's decision to resign,'' he said.
 

tnitsuj

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I don't know about that. The Steele Foundation guys probably just told him that it was time to leave.
 

Tab

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Even if he was abducted....Who gives a crap? Should he have been their in the first place?
 

CaptnKirk

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Reuters has picked up the story too
And they usually do their homework pretty well before they publish a story.

Tabb - Yes he was supposed to be there - he had been elected to the presidency of the country.
The U.S. had gone as far as re-instating him by Military intervention back in 1994.

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Even if he was abducted....Who gives a crap? Should he have been their in the first place?

he was popularly elected at least once.
 

onelove

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so, either aristide has an axe to grind b/c US turned its back on him, or else bush administration is shading the truth about its black-ops. Frankly, their credibility is about equal (low, but not non-existent). Will be interesting to see what becomes of this story.
 

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Originally posted by: onelove
so, either aristide has an axe to grind b/c US turned its back on him, or else bush administration is shading the truth. Frankly, their credibility is about equal (low, but not non-existent). Will be interesting to see what becomes of this story.

The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.

CkG
 

smashp

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man, this is wha Aristide gets for being a member of the coalition of the willing.
 

onelove

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Originally posted by: smashp
man, this is wha Aristide gets for being a member of the coalition of the willing.

LoL - if this is how we reward our "partners for democracy /decency /(judeo-christian) godliness", then who needs enemies? hehe

 

onelove

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.

CkG

as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.
 

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Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.

CkG

as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.

You might want to find out who those 3 people are. It might help you to figure out why their credibility is what should be questioned.

CkG
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.

CkG

as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.

You might want to find out who those 3 people are. It might help you to figure out why their credibility is what should be questioned.

CkG


I don't see any reason to doubt that Aristide told them what they said he told them. As far as I can tell at CNN that is the extent of their comments, so the credibilty at issue seems to me to be Aristides vs our government, and I trust Colin Powell.

Maxine Waters sees the world differently than I do, but I don't recall any particular reason to question her credibility ?

Charley Rangel is someone I admire, although I'd welcome hearing why you question his credibility.

Randall Robinson, I'm not sure who he is without something to jog my memory.


 

Dari

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Tabb
Even if he was abducted....Who gives a crap? Should he have been their in the first place?

he was popularly elected at least once.

Aristide was forbidden from running for office a second time. He disregarded his own constitution and ran for office in a rigged election. That man's legitimacy went out the door when he ran again. Furthermore, the bastard hated the United States, even though we restored him to power. What a prick. His time to go was long past due.
 

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Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.

CkG

as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.

You might want to find out who those 3 people are. It might help you to figure out why their credibility is what should be questioned.

CkG


I don't see any reason to doubt that Aristide told them what they said he told them. As far as I can tell at CNN that is the extent of their comments, so the credibilty at issue seems to me to be Aristides vs our government, and I trust Colin Powell.

Maxine Waters sees the world differently than I do, but I don't recall any particular reason to question her credibility ?

Charley Rangel is someone I admire, although I'd welcome hearing why you question his credibility.

Randall Robinson, I'm not sure who he is without something to jog my memory.

Powell said flatly, "He was not kidnapped," and criticized U.S. congressmen for saying that Aristide had been kidnapped without checking with the Bush administration first to see what the story was.

"He was not kidnapped. We did not force him on the airplane. He went on the plane willingly," Powell said.

The secretary said Aristide wrote a letter of resignation and only then did the United States bring an airplane to help him leave the country.

Well, if he resigned then these stories they heard "on the phone" don't hold much weight, do they? Was he "pressured"? Hell yes, he was going to be killed by the "rebels" if he didn't. I'd call that "pressure" - wouldn't you? This whole issue about questioning the Administration is BS and like I said - the ones who's credibility should be questioned is the 3 yahoos who say they heard it on the phone instead of the Administration. But yeah - it's the election season so anything and everything should be twisted into some smear against the Bush Administration.

I wonder what the "internationalist" kerry would have done. You think he would have gone through the UN and acted with our allies? Oh wait here is what he said he'd do:
Kerry (D-Mass.) said he would have sent troops to Haiti even without international support to quell the revolt against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

"President Kerry would never have allowed that to get where it is," Kerry said, though he added he's not "a big Aristide fan."

But he insisted the White House "has empowered the insurgents, and they've done it quite purposely out of their dislike ... for Aristide."

A Kerry administration would have given the rebels a 48-hour ultimatum to come up with a peaceful agreement - "otherwise, we're coming in," he said.

"I would intervene with the international community, and absent an international force, I'd do it unilaterally," he said, adding the most important thing was to protect democracy.
linky

I guess it's only "good for democracy" if we act unilaterally when a democrat does it.
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CkG
 

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: onelove
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
The only "credibility" in question is that of Ms. Waters, Charles Rangel, and Randall Robinson.

CkG

as in, you think maybe aristide didn't make this claim? you gotta dumb it down a bit, I'm afraid; your point's too subtle for my caveman mind.

You might want to find out who those 3 people are. It might help you to figure out why their credibility is what should be questioned.

CkG


I don't see any reason to doubt that Aristide told them what they said he told them. As far as I can tell at CNN that is the extent of their comments, so the credibilty at issue seems to me to be Aristides vs our government, and I trust Colin Powell.

Maxine Waters sees the world differently than I do, but I don't recall any particular reason to question her credibility ?

Charley Rangel is someone I admire, although I'd welcome hearing why you question his credibility.

Randall Robinson, I'm not sure who he is without something to jog my memory.

Powell said flatly, "He was not kidnapped," and criticized U.S. congressmen for saying that Aristide had been kidnapped without checking with the Bush administration first to see what the story was.

"He was not kidnapped. We did not force him on the airplane. He went on the plane willingly," Powell said.

The secretary said Aristide wrote a letter of resignation and only then did the United States bring an airplane to help him leave the country.

Well, if he resigned then these stories they heard "on the phone" don't hold much weight, do they? Was he "pressured"? Hell yes, he was going to be killed by the "rebels" if he didn't. I'd call that "pressure" - wouldn't you? This whole issue about questioning the Administration is BS and like I said - the ones who's credibility should be questioned is the 3 yahoos who say they heard it on the phone instead of the Administration. But yeah - it's the election season so anything and everything should be twisted into some smear against the Bush Administration.

I wonder what the "internationalist" kerry would have done. You think he would have gone through the UN and acted with our allies? Oh wait here is what he said he'd do:
Kerry (D-Mass.) said he would have sent troops to Haiti even without international support to quell the revolt against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

"President Kerry would never have allowed that to get where it is," Kerry said, though he added he's not "a big Aristide fan."

But he insisted the White House "has empowered the insurgents, and they've done it quite purposely out of their dislike ... for Aristide."

A Kerry administration would have given the rebels a 48-hour ultimatum to come up with a peaceful agreement - "otherwise, we're coming in," he said.

"I would intervene with the international community, and absent an international force, I'd do it unilaterally," he said, adding the most important thing was to protect democracy.
linky

I guess it's only "good for democracy" if we act unilaterally when a democrat does it.
rolleye.gif


CkG



I don't know what Kerry will do once in office, but I have seen the job Bush did. I'll take a chance on Kerry

 

onelove

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Well, if he resigned then these stories they heard "on the phone" don't hold much weight, do they? Was he "pressured"? Hell yes, he was going to be killed by the "rebels" if he didn't. I'd call that "pressure" - wouldn't you? This whole issue about questioning the Administration is BS and like I said - the ones who's credibility should be questioned is the 3 yahoos who say they heard it on the phone instead of the Administration. But yeah - it's the election season so anything and everything should be twisted into some smear against the Bush Administration.

somebody get Aristide's maid on for 60 minutes

EDIT: <grin>
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: onelove
Well, if he resigned then these stories they heard "on the phone" don't hold much weight, do they? Was he "pressured"? Hell yes, he was going to be killed by the "rebels" if he didn't. I'd call that "pressure" - wouldn't you? This whole issue about questioning the Administration is BS and like I said - the ones who's credibility should be questioned is the 3 yahoos who say they heard it on the phone instead of the Administration. But yeah - it's the election season so anything and everything should be twisted into some smear against the Bush Administration.

somebody get Aristide's maid on for 60 minutes

EDIT: <grin>

on the phone? ;)

CkG
 

Tom

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"Well, if he resigned then these stories they heard "on the phone" don't hold much weight, do they? "

Not with me. But I think it's important to mention that as far as I can tell the "3 yahoos" have not made claims giving Aristide's statement to them any particular weight, but just that it is a basis for asking questions.

It isn't their responsibility what or how CNN or other news organizations report the news.
 

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I think it was a smart move by the US if they removed him. It surely will save a lot of lives and prevent a massive exodus to Miami! Haitians have the highest rate of HIV in the Western Hemisphere and an influx of Haitian Refugees would be a major health risk.