CNN: Rep. Tulsi Gabbard talks about meeting with President Bashar al-Assad

[FIVR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID223ToMVxM

As we enjoy this leisurely ride into that giant iceberg on this vessel called America, it is nice to see the efforts of the crew to turn the ship about, or play music, or whatever...and somehow ameliorate the hopeless situation in which we find ourselves. Thus is the task of Tulsi Gabbard in turning our giant war-making machine away from the long-suffering people of Syria. Sadly, her task is one that will likely not succeed.


And Jake Tapper is having none of her "logic". Like Obama, he dreams of seeing Syrian bodies "bounce twice" and watching the "sand glow".... he thirsts for Syrian blood. Too bad for him, Trump is more concerned with starting a war with Mexico and China. He'll have to find several more Bana Alabeds to pump up the tears and get more funding to bomb Assad.


Better get to work Tapper!

 

[Victorian Gray]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID223ToMVxM

As we enjoy this leisurely ride into that giant iceberg on this vessel called America, it is nice to see the efforts of the crew to turn the ship about, or play music, or whatever...and somehow ameliorate the hopeless situation in which we find ourselves. Thus is the task of Tulsi Gabbard in turning our giant war-making machine away from the long-suffering people of Syria. Sadly, her task is one that will likely not succeed.


And Jake Tapper is having none of her "logic". Like Obama, he dreams of seeing Syrian bodies "bounce twice" and watching the "sand glow".... he thirsts for Syrian blood. Too bad for him, Trump is more concerned with starting a war with Mexico and China. He'll have to find several more Bana Alabeds to pump up the tears and get more funding to bomb Assad.


Better get to work Tapper!

Syria will never recover as a functioning state if Assad is allowed to remain.

 

[FIVR]

Syria will never recover as a functioning state if Assad is allowed to remain.

If only King Abdullah was still alive, he would tear up with joy at reading your posts. To think that a liberal canadian could be so easily turned into a pawn of the monarchy would be more than he could've ever dreamed his expensive anti-assad propaganda campaign could do.


I wonder if you ever complain about the rulers of Saudi Arabia, where women can't drive cars or own property, and where hundreds are executed every year for offenses such as "sorcery" and being raped. Must they go, too? Or will their countries continue functioning fine, without any protest from the likes of you?

 

[Jaskalas]

Syria will never recover as a functioning state if Assad is allowed to remain.

What, you're going to raise the bodies of dead Syrians to fight this war for regime change? They already died for that cause. It's a war that never should have been fought. We should not have encouraged, and we should not have armed them. Now that it's over, Russia is the only investor holding enough cards to ensure a future for Syria.

We could sit down at the table, but what do we offer? What would you suggest we do for Syria's future? I say we work with the Syrian government, with Russia, and try not to cause more violence - read: we should not kill more Syrians than we already have.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If only King Abdullah was still alive, he would tear up with joy at reading your posts. To think that a liberal canadian could be so easily turned into a pawn of the monarchy would be more than he could've ever dreamed his expensive anti-assad propaganda campaign could do.


I wonder if you ever complain about the rulers of Saudi Arabia, where women can't drive cars or own property, and where hundreds are executed every year for offenses such as "sorcery" and being raped. Must they go, too? Or will their countries continue functioning fine, without any protest from the likes of you?

No pawn here bunky. Just someone who pays close attention to the world around him.

And fuck the KSA. If it disappeared as a nation state tomorrow the world would most likely be a better place for it.

And you can take your faux concern and place it in the appropriate orifice.

 

[alcoholbob]

Syria will never recover as a functioning state if Assad is allowed to remain.

When you say "Assad" do you just mean Assad the man needs to be replaced, or are you using it loosely as a proxy for something wider?

Are you just saying just Assad alone needs to go, or are you saying the ruling secular Baathist party--who have decided to ally themselves with Russia--need to be stripped of power? Are you fine with Baathists retaining control of Syria? Because the only alternative available is a Sunni theocracy aligned with the Saudis.

 

[FIVR]

No pawn here bunky. Just someone who pays close attention to the world around him.

And fuck the KSA. If it disappeared as a nation state tomorrow the world would most likely be a better place for it.

And you can take your faux concern and place it in the appropriate orifice.

You didn't answer my question. Will their countries remain functional? Will you perpetually post about how "Salman must go" every time the topic comes up, as you do now when Assad is mentioned?

You said Syria will never be a "functional state" with Assad in power. I actually agree, but I think I have a very different reason for why that is, depending on your definition of "functional". It's very tough to have a functional state when your small population is under constant attack from foreign and foreign-sponsored militants who are receiving support from the largest and richest world superpower ever to exist.


As someone who "pays close attention to the world around him", I expect you to actually have answers to these questions. Your distasteful language is noted in that it indicates you have little of substance to support your position. Tulsi agrees.

 

[Jaskalas]

Let's be perfectly clear here.
The United States ACTED to cause regime change in Syria. The people Assad killed were our proxies in OUR war against him.
What place do we have to speak of Syrians who died in OUR war?

 

[alcoholbob]

Remember the JCS Report that was acquired via FOIA lawsuits from Judicial Watch:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

"THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…"

The Free Syrian army never really had a chance. All the funding for the resistance to Assad from the West and the Gulf States and were going towards Sunni wahhibsts and salafists, it was only a matter of time before they were going to be crowded out or assimilated.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You didn't answer my question. Will their countries remain functional? Will you perpetually post about how "Salman must go" every time the topic comes up, as you do now when Assad is mentioned?

You said Syria will never be a "functional state" with Assad in power. I actually agree, but I think I have a very different reason for why that is, depending on your definition of "functional". It's very tough to have a functional state when your small population is under constant attack from foreign and foreign-sponsored militants who are receiving support from the largest and richest world superpower ever to exist.


As someone who "pays close attention to the world around him", I expect you to actually have answers to these questions. Your distasteful language is noted in that it indicates you have little of substance to support your position. Tulsi agrees.

I really don't give a damn whether you or Tulsi agree with me or not.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/22/syria-protests-forces-shoot

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...rminated-syrian-jails-assads-torture-dungeons

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/04/201141918352728300.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/05/2011515113431187136.html

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2588/syria-tortures-children

 

[compuwiz1]

Sounds to me like she's admitting Obama funding ISIS and she's a Democrat. Wow!

 

[Jaskalas]

Syria will never recover as a functioning state if Assad is allowed to remain.

I really don't give a damn whether you or Tulsi agree with me or not.

There are two ways to move Syria forward. One way continues in blood, Syrian blood. As has been US policy from day 1.
Or you sit down with Russia and work out a peaceful transition.

How do you want to do it?

 

[FIVR]

I really don't give a damn whether you or Tulsi agree with me or not.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/22/syria-protests-forces-shoot

http://www.economist.com/news/middl...rminated-syrian-jails-assads-torture-dungeons

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/04/201141918352728300.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/05/2011515113431187136.html

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2588/syria-tortures-children

Is this your idea of an argument? You are basically pulling and Underoos post with your wall of links. I could easily copy and past google search result right back at you, but i have better things to do than argue with someone who clearly has zero grasp of what really goes on in the middle east and who can't be bothered to reason for himself.

I would also point out that half of your links come directly from Qatar. I mean directly, like al-Jazeera... that is a Qatari media propaganda outlet, just like RT, but worse because it purely forwards then positions of the Saudi and Qatari royal families instead of the entire Russian people. Do you know how women are treated in Qatar? Do you have any idea who funds the "gates institute"?


Please educate yourself, and in the future refrain from copying and pasting google search results as arguments. You could at least remove the blatant propaganda outlets from your results if you can't help but fail to make coherent arguments in your own words.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Syria will never recover as a functioning state if Assad is allowed to remain.

Operation Syrian Freedom!

Worst Concept Ever.

People didn't understand what Iraq really did? It created chaos via a power vacuum. You cannot stick your fingers in the pie right out of the oven without being seriously burned.

Keep the eff out.

 

[MongGrel]

Operation Syrian Freedom!

Worst Concept Ever.

People didn't understand what Iraq really did? It created chaos via a power vacuum. You cannot stick your fingers in the pie right out of the oven without being seriously burned.

Keep the eff out.

Bush started that shit with a mandate he thought after 9/11, and now we have Russians involved later on.

Heads are knocking, and the current POTUS likes kissing Russians, so get used to it.

China is just saying screw you guys, and continues to grow industrially, with Western aid, it's a lot of smoke and mirrors all over guys.

Does anyone seriously think Trump gives a shit about the middle class, if you do you have your head up your ass.

Globalization had been a thing for decades, and grabbing onto anything in the future corporation wise has factored in a lot.

China has even started making inroads in Africa a long time now, the US has also of course, there will be may resources there that have not been tapped yet.

I'll go back to listening to music atm.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bush started that shit with a mandate he thought after 9/11, and how we have Russians involved later on.

Heads are knocking, and the current POTUS likes kissing Russians, so get used to it.

The Russians are for Assad though so at the moment I don't think we're going to attack Syria and make things a hundred times worse.. In bizarro world that may be the only good thing, and even that's qualified.

 

[FIVR]

The Russians are for Assad though so at the moment I don't think we're going to attack Syria and make things a hundred times worse.. In bizarro world that may be the only good thing, and even that's qualified.

It is exactly that. His support for Assad is the only thing about Trump that I like. He is so contrarian, that he finally found one issue where the US is absolutely ridiculous about (Syria, or the ME in general) and he is going the opposite way every single one of his predecessors has.

The problem is he has no real knowledge about the issue, and he has some strange ideas about Syria specifically, and the ME in general. He has advocated looting the oil from Iraq (a war crime) and he has advocated "safe zones" which are antithetical to peace in syria... so I'm not all that confident in his commitment to this position. He could change his mind next week and bomb Damascus, or he could be deposed and the business-as-usual of the CIA supporting terrorists would return.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Is this your idea of an argument? You are basically pulling and Underoos post with your wall of links. I could easily copy and past google search result right back at you, but i have better things to do than argue with someone who clearly has zero grasp of what really goes on in the middle east and who can't be bothered to reason for himself.

I would also point out that half of your links come directly from Qatar. I mean directly, like al-Jazeera... that is a Qatari media propaganda outlet, just like RT, but worse because it purely forwards then positions of the Saudi and Qatari royal families instead of the entire Russian people. Do you know how women are treated in Qatar? Do you have any idea who funds the "gates institute"?


Please educate yourself, and in the future refrain from copying and pasting google search results as arguments. You could at least remove the blatant propaganda outlets from your results if you can't help but fail to make coherent arguments in your own words.

Have a nice day.

 

[FIVR]

Have a nice day.

*sigh*


Typical

I would be embarrassed too if I were you. You are not on the right side of this argument and that became quite clear very early in this thread, when you couldn't claim you had any issues with your buddies King Abdullah and King Salman. Assad must go, but never mind about them right?

 

[Victorian Gray]

*sigh*


Typical

I would be embarrassed too if I were you. You are not on the right side of this argument and that became quite clear very early in this thread

Why would you think I'm embarrassed? I simply don't wish to waste my time debating the issue. Nether one of us is going to change their mind so what the hell would the point of continuing be.

As I said, have a nice day.

 

[FIVR]

Why would you think I'm embarrassed? I simply don't wish to waste my time debating the issue. Nether one of us is going to change their mind so what the hell would the point of continuing be.

As I said, have a nice day.

So you admit that you can't change your mind. Why is that? Are you so wedded to support of the Saudi monarchy and the death of Syrian children, that you are unable to form rational opinions on the conflict?


Or is it that you've spent so many years spinning yourself up into a tizzy about Assad, that you are unable to calm down and accept that you have been utterly defeated both militarily and geopolitically by the Assad government? Is pride the underlying fault that produces such heinously uninformed yet firm positions on ME politics?

I'm quite curious what your problem is. As for myself, I know that if you were able to produce some kind of evidence that showed that the removal of Assad would make the world better for anybody other than oil execs and the Saudi monarchy I would gladly accept it as a scholar. Sadly you have produced no such evidence, quite the contrary actually. You've managed to post several examples of the propaganda that inundates western media on Syria.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So you admit that you can't change your mind. Why is that? Are you so wedded to support of the Saudi monarchy and the death of Syrian children, that you are unable to form rational opinions on the conflict?


Or is it that you've spent so many years spinning yourself up into a tizzy about Assad, that you are unable to calm down and accept that you have been utterly defeated both militarily and geopolitically by the Assad government? Is pride the underlying fault that produces such heinously uninformed yet firm positions on ME politics?

I'm quite curious what your problem is. As for myself, I know that if you were able to produce some kind of evidence that showed that the removal of Assad would make the world better for anybody other than oil execs and the Saudi monarchy I would gladly accept it as a scholar. Sadly you have produced no such evidence, quite the contrary actually. You've managed to post several examples of the propaganda that inundates western media on Syria.

Dude, it's over. Find someone else to play with.

 

[Jaskalas]

No one else has put forth how they'd actually improve the situation in Syria.

 

[MongGrel]

No one else has put forth how they'd actually improve the situation in Syria.

Drop a Nuke on Aleppo ?

It depends on your mindset a lot of the time, I'm not usually an advocate of it in reality.

What is going on in Syria is just horrendous for the people trying to live there.