CNN is reporting that North Korea has tested a Nuke

[Zedtom]

What's all this talk about missles? The news agencies are reporting about the testing of a nuclear device. Where is the source for a report of a missle with a nuclear device?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
I bet they just packed an old mine full of high explosives, sealed it off, and boom. Now they claim they have a successful test with no radiation leakage. My ass...

that's what i was thinking, weapons material is fairly hard to refine in a primitive nuclear program. If they actually use it, it'd use up a significant amount of material they have on hand.

 

[Vich]

Idiots who are saying we should have invaded NK instead of Iraq are braindead. If we even tried to invake NK they would shell the ****** out of Seoul. And that is not something the U.S wants or the SK's.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
I bet they just packed an old mine full of high explosives, sealed it off, and boom. Now they claim they have a successful test with no radiation leakage. My ass...

that's what i was thinking, weapons material is fairly hard to refine in a primitive nuclear program. If they actually use it, it'd use up a significant amount of material they have on hand.

well you need to perform a test before you can make a weapon, so it'd be a good use for the significant amount of material.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: Zedtom
What's all this talk about missles? The news agencies are reporting about the testing of a nuclear device. Where is the source for a report of a missle with a nuclear device?

they had missle tests earlier this year and now they are doing nuclear tests. add the two together and you have nuclear missle capability and a program to match. (yes it will take years for the two to be compatible)

 

[Staples]

This is all Clinton's fault - FOX News

 

[Hacp]

Ya, and I have a buncha chemical and biological weapons under my bedsheets.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: Jadow
15 years of failed policy by the US lead to this.

WTG Clinton and Bush

Indeed. While we focus on Oil and the Middle East, Pakistan, India, and now North Korea have gotten nuclear weapons. (note: i am not equating all of those nations.)

And Lewinski, let's not forget that. Have to focus on that.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Our options as I see it.

1. do nothing

2. sanctions, even China was against any kind of test.

3. limited military action against test and nuke sites in N Korea.

4. worried that number 3 could cause a war we could launch much larger air strikes aimed at their nuke sites and any "first strike" military units the north has that could hurt the south.

5. Japan changes it's pacifist constitution and threatens to begin nuclear weapons development, which grabs China's attention and brings them to the UN negotiating table on sanctions against NK.

God I hope so
N Korea HAS to go.

 

[Zedtom]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: Zedtom
What's all this talk about missles? The news agencies are reporting about the testing of a nuclear device. Where is the source for a report of a missle with a nuclear device?

they had missle tests earlier this year and now they are doing nuclear tests. add the two together and you have nuclear missle capability and a program to match. (yes it will take years for the two to be compatible)

Ok, got that. I'm referring to today's event. I don't think we should jump to conclusions. It looks like their program is still in the beta mode.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: Zedtom
What's all this talk about missles? The news agencies are reporting about the testing of a nuclear device. Where is the source for a report of a missle with a nuclear device?

they had missle tests earlier this year and now they are doing nuclear tests. add the two together and you have nuclear missle capability and a program to match. (yes it will take years for the two to be compatible)

Their missle program is a joke. I can go to walmart, pickup a couple of D rocket motors, and get a missle to go farther than they did. The only way they can reliably deliver a missle is if they toss it out of the window of a plane.

 

[dennilfloss]

If the test is valid, we should not wait until they have this device weaponized and deliverable.

 

[ProfJohn]

Historic info.
Our first nuke test was July 16, our first use was August 6. So it is feasible that they could have other nukes that could be placed in planes and such, but like everyone else has said I think we are a ways away from missiles based nukes.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Jadow
15 years of failed policy by the US lead to this.

WTG Clinton and Bush

Clinton did a much better job when he dealt with North Korea, at least the Koreans were talking to us under Clinton. The man who has done the most to keep North Korea in check has to be Jimmy Carter.

A war with North Korea will be war that will be one, but the causalities will be enormous. There's no way we can afford to fight a war on three fronts.

umm total BS about Clinton dude, and for the sake of this thread lets talk about the future on not about the past.

Doesn't really matter who did what if we are dragged into a war right?

No, it's not bullshit and yes it does matter. Clinton at least had a dialogue with the North Korea and had a policy in place that worked for the United States, South Korea and more importantly North Korea. I could understand playing hardball with countries that aren't that nice. You do not play hardball with a country that may have nuclear weapons capable of hitting your own country.

I highly advise everyone to watch this documentary PBS Frontline "Kims Nuclear Gamble". Also, in Jimmy Carter's last book he talks a lot about North Korea and it's a very worth while read.

Right now, the Bush Administration's policy regarding North Korea is wreckless and isn't making anyone safer.

 

[Lemon law]

At this point---its yet to be positively conformed that this is indeed a nuke---but if it is indeed a nuke---what the USA can do is somewhat limited by various realities.

The biggest player in this one is going to be China---hopefully Bush will work with China on this one---this is no time for my way or the highway rethoric. Even though proper fear mongering could make this into the October surprise the repubs need to save their bacon.

Any N. Korea responce that China does not approve of is going to be doomed---and hopefully GWB is smart enough to realise that.

 

[episodic]

You can deliver a nuclear weapon without a missle. (shipping containers?). . .

Earthquake data now on world earthquake servers. . the station is INCN (in Korea). . .

 

[railer]

<shrug>

so what.

We've had nukes for 60 years.

I fail to see the significance. Ratchet up the sanctions. Get China and Russia on board.

If we're lucky, they'll use a nuke on SK, and then we can blast them into oblivion, and be justified in doing so. Odds of that happening are infintisimly small however.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Vich
Idiots who are saying we should have invaded NK instead of Iraq are braindead. If we even tried to invake NK they would shell the ****** out of Seoul. And that is not something the U.S wants or the SK's.

but how much leverage can we possibly hold over a country like NK or Iran when they *know* that we don't have the military force to fight 3 wars simultaneously?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
If the test is valid, we should not wait until they have this device weaponized and deliverable.

OMG - Welcome back oldtimer.

Not wait for what?

Invade North Korea because they have WMD???

 

[episodic]

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert.php?lang=eng

Alertmap. . .

 

[libs0n]

Big deal. North Korea's nuclear ambitions or their threat to whatever ranks at the top of the lists of things that don't keep me up at night. I'd go to Soeul tomorrow if it was in the cards.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
If the test is valid, we should not wait until they have this device weaponized and deliverable.

Holy mother of God. Welcome back!

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Our options as I see it.

1. do nothing

2. sanctions, even China was against any kind of test.

3. limited military action against test and nuke sites in N Korea.

4. worried that number 3 could cause a war we could launch much larger air strikes aimed at their nuke sites and any "first strike" military units the north has that could hurt the south.

I think the biggest fear about N Korea is not it using a Nuke at this stage, but the fact that its long range artillery can reach Seoul. So within hours thousands of people could be dead IF war broke out.

BTW: There should be no doubt at all that N K can be beat in a war, they may have a large military but I suspect it would fold much like Iraq's did in the first gulf war. Really hard to tell how much will to fight the people of the north will have, thier lives are total misery, but they may be so brain washed as to not know that.

Ps. a lot of what we do involved what China is willing to let us do. The more they stand in the way the more likely we are to do something near the top of the list.

Good thing, if we did get in a war and took out lil Kim we would not need to stay there like in Iraq, I think the people of the South would love to help rebuild the north since they are all related in a way.

That has always been a fear and still will continue to be. The new fear is North Korea having a nuclear weapon delivery system reaching the United State or selling this technology to other states or terrorist organizations.

 

[episodic]

Greetings Professor Falkan - how about a nice game of chess?

 

[fallenangel99]

Will be interesting to see what happens next couple of days.....