The good news for you is North Korea doesn't have any missiles capable of reaching DC. Its also almost certainly true that North Korea's nukes are not at a point where they can stick them on thier ballistic missiles yet. Having said all this, this development is obviously a major concern.
ProfJohn
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As I pointed out in another thread we have about 150,000 troops in Iraq. That leaves between 400,000 and 600,000 troops NOT in Iraq. In Japan and Korea alone there are around 100,000 troops and another 40,000 or so in Germany.
(troops=all military, not just ground fighters, since those figures are much harder to find)
BTW: we could 4-5 carrier groups and ALL of heavy bombers over NK in a matter of days and it would not hurt things in Iraq at all.
Let's talk about North Korea, and not complain about Iraq and such.
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Our options as I see it.
1. do nothing
2. sanctions, even China was against any kind of test.
3. limited military action against test and nuke sites in N Korea.
4. worried that number 3 could cause a war we could launch much larger air strikes aimed at their nuke sites and any "first strike" military units the north has that could hurt the south.
I think the biggest fear about N Korea is not it using a Nuke at this stage, but the fact that its long range artillery can reach Seoul. So within hours thousands of people could be dead IF war broke out.
BTW: There should be no doubt at all that N K can be beat in a war, they may have a large military but I suspect it would fold much like Iraq's did in the first gulf war. Really hard to tell how much will to fight the people of the north will have, thier lives are total misery, but they may be so brain washed as to not know that.
Ps. a lot of what we do involved what China is willing to let us do. The more they stand in the way the more likely we are to do something near the top of the list.
Good thing, if we did get in a war and took out lil Kim we would not need to stay there like in Iraq, I think the people of the South would love to help rebuild the north since they are all related in a way.
1. do nothing
2. sanctions, even China was against any kind of test.
3. limited military action against test and nuke sites in N Korea.
4. worried that number 3 could cause a war we could launch much larger air strikes aimed at their nuke sites and any "first strike" military units the north has that could hurt the south.
I think the biggest fear about N Korea is not it using a Nuke at this stage, but the fact that its long range artillery can reach Seoul. So within hours thousands of people could be dead IF war broke out.
BTW: There should be no doubt at all that N K can be beat in a war, they may have a large military but I suspect it would fold much like Iraq's did in the first gulf war. Really hard to tell how much will to fight the people of the north will have, thier lives are total misery, but they may be so brain washed as to not know that.
Ps. a lot of what we do involved what China is willing to let us do. The more they stand in the way the more likely we are to do something near the top of the list.
Good thing, if we did get in a war and took out lil Kim we would not need to stay there like in Iraq, I think the people of the South would love to help rebuild the north since they are all related in a way.
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Like they would nuke the US, they may be brazen enough to get attention, but they know as well as us if they attack another country they will become extinct.
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Something I will never understand.
Saddam denied having WMD even allowed inspectors in--and finally GWB invades and finds out its true--Saddam had no WMD.
At the same time North Korea is jumping up and down claiming we got nukes--we got nukes---and GWB basically ignores N. Korea and refused to talk with them one on one.
Go figure that one out---it baffles me.
And now it looks like N. Korea has finally proved their claim.---and if these posts are true---they do have nukes--earth to GWB---they do have nukes.---where have you been the past five years?
Saddam denied having WMD even allowed inspectors in--and finally GWB invades and finds out its true--Saddam had no WMD.
At the same time North Korea is jumping up and down claiming we got nukes--we got nukes---and GWB basically ignores N. Korea and refused to talk with them one on one.
Go figure that one out---it baffles me.
And now it looks like N. Korea has finally proved their claim.---and if these posts are true---they do have nukes--earth to GWB---they do have nukes.---where have you been the past five years?
ProfJohn
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USCG says seismic activity is starting to be seen, that would be the smoking gun IMO.
Our seismic detectors here in the US actually recorded the fall of WTC 1 and 2 from miles away, they are that good. A nuke test would for sure be detected.
What is lil Kim thinking? sheeeesh
Our seismic detectors here in the US actually recorded the fall of WTC 1 and 2 from miles away, they are that good. A nuke test would for sure be detected.
What is lil Kim thinking? sheeeesh
First of all I'd like to see the documentation for "a number of days for the carriers." I strongly suspect you're putting things too optimistically although I'm not saying we couldn't have that many carriers in the area reasonably quickly.
However the reality is that given what North Korea can do to Seoul in the initial stages of the conflict with all the artillery it has in position, there is no way South Korea is going to be willing to engage in the conflict so we're going to be on our own.
North Korea has about 1 million men in its active forces alone, and while its equipment is mostly outdated, it has alot of it.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/army.htm
Given North Korea's forces have over 11,000 underground facilities where they can be based in order to protect against air attacks, it would definately not be an easy task to invade the country.
Its one thing to say we technically have some manpower available, its another thing to end up in a situation where all our manpower is tied up. This conquest isn't going to be over quickly, and over time the strains on the US forces deployed without any troops to rotate out puts stresses on the US forces that could have severe consequences and put the US at real risk of failure. You don't want to get into that sort of situation unless you have absolutely no choice.
Edit: You also left out the fact we're also in Afghanistan. We have about 20,000 troops there which we need to continue to provide logistics support for. That's also an issue for the troops in Iraq. While I don't have an issue with US troops in Afghanistan, you need to remember that they are there when considering US military involvement elsewhere.
We don't simply shuffle all our troops to one area. We have many interests all around the world. We do NOT have the capability to conduct a full scale war on 3 fronts. North Korea is a hell of a lot more dug in than Saddam was. It will not be easy at all.
Too bad their missles can't deliver anything on target. This is worrisome but knowing that their missiles can't be anything offers some sign of relief.
I bet they just packed an old mine full of high explosives, sealed it off, and boom. Now they claim they have a successful test with no radiation leakage. My ass...
5. Japan changes it's pacifist constitution and threatens to begin nuclear weapons development, which grabs China's attention and brings them to the UN negotiating table on sanctions against NK.
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