CNN: Human/Chimp split was messy, elongated

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Humans and chimps diverged from a single ancestral population through a complex process that took 4 million years, according to a new study comparing DNA from the two species.

By analyzing about 800 times more DNA than previous studies of the human-chimp split, researchers from the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard were able to learn not just when, but a little bit about how the sister species arose.

"For the first time we're able to see the details written out in the DNA," said Eric Lander, founding director of the Broad Institute. "What they tell us at the least is that the human-chimp speciation was very unusual."

The researchers hypothesize that an ancestral ape species split into two isolated populations about 10 million years ago, then got back together after a few thousand millennia. At that time the two groups, though somewhat genetically different, would have mated to form a third, hybrid population. That population could have interbred with one or both of its parent populations. Then, at some point after 6.3 million years ago, two distinct lines arose.

Some experts in human evolution are skeptical of that precise scenario, but nevertheless impressed with the study.

"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

Past studies that compared human and chimp DNA could only offer a point estimate of how long ago the two species split by averaging the amount of divergence in their genes. Generally, those studies come up with a figure of about 7 million years ago.

But since the completion of the chimpanzee genome project in September it is possible to look at how specific sections of the genetic code have evolved. The Broad Institute study, which will be published in a future issue of the journal Nature, is one of the first to do that.

"There are a lot of big surprises here," Lander said.

For one thing, the new data suggest the human-chimp split was much closer to the present than the 7 million year date that fossils and previous studies indicate -- certainly no earlier than 6.3 million years ago, and more likely in the neighborhood of 5.4 million.

The data also show that the human-chimp split probably took millions of years. That's because in some parts of the DNA sequence the genetic difference between humans and chimps is so large that those genes must have been isolated from each other nearly 10 million years ago. But in other places the human and chimp lines are so close that they appear to have still been swapping genetic material at least until 6.3 million years ago.

One of those areas is the X-chromosome, which is intriguing.

"The genes that are a barrier to speciation tend to be on the X-chromosome," said David Reich, the main author of the study.
 

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The researchers hypothesize that an ancestral ape species split into two isolated populations about 10 million years ago, then got back together after a few thousand millennia. At that time the two groups, though somewhat genetically different, would have mated to form a third, hybrid population. That population could have interbred with one or both of its parent populations. Then, at some point after 6.3 million years ago, two distinct lines arose.

Say what???
 

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"My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

I guess beer must be at least 6 Million years old :D
 

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"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

lol...would the people on ATOT mate with jessica alba if she walked on all fours?
 

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The researchers hypothesize that an ancestral ape species split into two isolated populations about 10 million years ago, then got back together after a few thousand millennia. At that time the two groups, though somewhat genetically different, would have mated to form a third, hybrid population. That population could have interbred with one or both of its parent populations. Then, at some point after 6.3 million years ago, two distinct lines arose.

They forgot to include the part where the aliens came and mated too. These guys actually get paid to make this L.Ron Hubbard stuff up?
 

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Originally posted by: Accipiter22

"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman as he was rocking back and forth in his chair, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely," said Lieberman, after which he snorted 3 times and consumed a recently-harvested booger.

Fixed
 

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Originally posted by: GeneValgene
"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

lol...would the people on ATOT mate with jessica alba if she walked on all fours?

No
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: zanieladie
Uhmmm...yeah...okay.

Better than the "Humans came 6,000 years ago" crap....

*Flame away*

Why is it so hard to believe that humans have only been around for around 6,000 years?
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: zanieladie
Uhmmm...yeah...okay.

Better than the "Humans came 6,000 years ago" crap....

*Flame away*

Why is it so hard to believe that humans have only been around for around 6,000 years?

lol
 

oddyager

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: zanieladie
Uhmmm...yeah...okay.

Better than the "Humans came 6,000 years ago" crap....

*Flame away*

Why is it so hard to believe that humans have only been around for around 6,000 years?

Simply because human remains have been found around the world that dates further than 6000 years.
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: oddyager
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: zanieladie
Uhmmm...yeah...okay.

Better than the "Humans came 6,000 years ago" crap....

*Flame away*

Why is it so hard to believe that humans have only been around for around 6,000 years?

Simply because human remains have been found around the world that dates further than 6000 years.


Some of those carbon testing methods have been proven to be faulty, I would be highly suspect if that's the method they used to determine the age of ancient remains
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: GeneValgene
"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

lol...would the people on ATOT mate with jessica alba if she walked on all fours?

HELL YEAH!! :D
 

Phokus

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The religious right is going to go apesh1t over this finding (no pun intended) :D
 

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: GeneValgene
"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

lol...would the people on ATOT mate with jessica alba if she walked on all fours?

HELL YEAH!! :D

PUKE!!!
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: GeneValgene
"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

lol...would the people on ATOT mate with jessica alba if she walked on all fours?

HELL YEAH!! :D

HOT_MONKEY_SEX
:D