CNN falls to third place in prime time news

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PingSpike

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Quality news comes from CNN? This is the channel that actually had a show about political blogs. That is not news, no one cares what a bunch of weiners posted on their blog.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So I guess we can put an end to the endless shrieking about the so-called "Liberal MSM," right guys? Conservatives and Republicans have the most-watched cable news channel, 95% of the entire AM spectrum, approximately 1/2 of the big newspapers, and at least 1/2 of the blogosphere. Although, without the MSM to bash constantly, I have no idea what the GOP will have to talk about...

You confuse the number of viewers with the number of media outlets.

The only thing the number of viewers may demonstrate is that the 'Liberal MSM' is not as popular with viewers. It has no bearing on whether there is a 'Liberal MSM'.

I'm not sure what exactly qualifies as 'prime time', but to attribute CNN's poor ratings to running 'straight' news is dubious. Fox has 2 'straight' news shows during what I believe to be prime time. IIRC, MSNBC has none.

Fern

Not really, Fern. For example, I pointed out that Conservatives and Republicans OWN the AM airwaves. 95% of AM talk radio is conservative/GOP-slanted. The cable news channels as I've pointed out have gravitated towards a balance of sorts with Fox on the right, MSNBC on the left and CNN somewhere in the middle.

Conservatives and Republicans like to play the game that somehow they're the "underdog" when in reality, that's nowhere near the case.
 

Testify

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Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
I never really got the whole MSM liberal bias thing. Some people here actually think there's a vast conspiracy between all the media outlets, except Fox news, to portray liberal-leaning news? WTF would be the purpose of that or what the hell do they have to gain by doing that?

And to those saying PBS, are you serious?

What is wrong with PBS? Imo, NewsHour is the only watchable evening news program on air right now.
 

Carmen813

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Through Wednesday, Fox was averaging 2.73 million prime-time viewers in March. MSNBC had 1.16 million and CNN had 1.14 million. The March ratings period ends Friday, and it's doubtful CNN will be able to overcome MSNBC.

All that says to me is that a little over 5 million people in this country should be required to complete a civics exam before voting.

I'm being mostly sarcastic.
 

Exterous

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Quality news comes from CNN? This is the channel that actually had a show about political blogs. That is not news, no one cares what a bunch of weiners posted on their blog.

Lets not forget the I-reports. If I want to hear constant uneducated opinions about whats going on in the world I can read AT P&N. I want NEWS from my news channel.

It seems like CNN is trying to hard to be 'hip' with their twittering, blogs and i-reports. They always try to show how they are interacting with the audience through the web and take up news reporting time showcasing a nice map that allows people to see how connected CNN is by showing them locations of all the i-reporters
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: geno
Fox most watched by far

:(

it's sorta like being the biggest fish in a cup of water.

Yeah, but what it shows is that Fox is great at what it does; making the news entertaining. It's certainly not the consensus best, but it's definitely tops as an entertainment vehicle. That's why their commentators usually do so well; hell, O'Reilly is tops among all cable TV shows behind USA and TNT. Of course, unbeknownst to him, it isn't because his political dialog is sharp, unbiased, and well researched, it's because he's a wonderful train wreck to watch.
 

jonks

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Funny piece in the NYT on Glenn Beck.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03...l?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp

why are people watching Glenn Beck?

The conservative writer David Frum said Mr. Beck?s success ?is a product of the collapse of conservatism as an organized political force, and the rise of conservatism as an alienated cultural sensibility.? ?It?s a show for people who feel they belong to an embattled minority that is disenfranchised and cut off,? he said.

And if you ask Republican strategist Mike Murphy, due to the shifting demographics in this country, Reps are on their way to permanent minority status. They may have a couple more cycles in them, but unless they come way around on some issues, forever marginalized will they be.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: jonks
Funny piece in the NYT on Glenn Beck.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03...l?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp

why are people watching Glenn Beck?

The conservative writer David Frum said Mr. Beck?s success ?is a product of the collapse of conservatism as an organized political force, and the rise of conservatism as an alienated cultural sensibility.? ?It?s a show for people who feel they belong to an embattled minority that is disenfranchised and cut off,? he said.

And if you ask Republican strategist Mike Murphy, due to the shifting demographics in this country, Reps are on their way to permanent minority status. They may have a couple more cycles in them, but unless they come way around on some issues, forever marginalized will they be.

No kidding. No one ever went out of business catering to Conservatives and Republicrats who love to play the "poor, oppressed underdog." Witness Sean Hannity's "Conservatives in Exile" and his other equally retarded catch phrase, "Welcome to the Conservative Underground."

Beck, however, is in an entirely more insane category...
 

sisq0kidd

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Originally posted by: Testify
Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
I never really got the whole MSM liberal bias thing. Some people here actually think there's a vast conspiracy between all the media outlets, except Fox news, to portray liberal-leaning news? WTF would be the purpose of that or what the hell do they have to gain by doing that?

And to those saying PBS, are you serious?

What is wrong with PBS? Imo, NewsHour is the only watchable evening news program on air right now.

I think that's the question I'm posing. There's some people in this thread saying PBS is slanted. I'm trying to figure out if they're serious or not. I guess if reality is a slant, PBS takes the cake.
 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
Through Wednesday, Fox was averaging 2.73 million prime-time viewers in March. MSNBC had 1.16 million and CNN had 1.14 million. The March ratings period ends Friday, and it's doubtful CNN will be able to overcome MSNBC.

All that says to me is that a little over 5 million people in this country should be required to complete a civics exam before voting.

I'm being mostly sarcastic.

How about everyone takes a civics exam before voting? :)
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: jonks
And if you ask Republican strategist Mike Murphy, due to the shifting demographics in this country, Reps are on their way to permanent minority status. They may have a couple more cycles in them, but unless they come way around on some issues, forever marginalized will they be.

Honestly, given my reaction from the last Presidential election cycle, is that voters don't care at all about issues. John McCain lost because he was boring. John Kerry lost because he was boring. Al Gore lost because he was boring. Bob Dole lost because he was boring. "Issues" are rarely what drives voters' opinions.

The Republicans may be forever marginalized solely on the fact they don't have anyone to equal Obama's teleprompter.

There is a percentage of people who will vote Democrat on all elections, there is a percentage of people who will vote Republican on all elections. Then there is the majority of America who votes based on who is more interesting, who is the bigger "celebrity". I mean, do you think the Democratic stronghold of California voted the Republican Governator into office for his "policies" or "stand on issues"? I don't think so.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: jonks
And if you ask Republican strategist Mike Murphy, due to the shifting demographics in this country, Reps are on their way to permanent minority status. They may have a couple more cycles in them, but unless they come way around on some issues, forever marginalized will they be.

Honestly, given my reaction from the last Presidential election cycle, is that voters don't care at all about issues. John McCain lost because he was boring. John Kerry lost because he was boring. Al Gore lost because he was boring. Bob Dole lost because he was boring. "Issues" are rarely what drives voters' opinions.

The Republicans may be forever marginalized solely on the fact they don't have anyone to equal Obama's teleprompter.

There is a percentage of people who will vote Democrat on all elections, there is a percentage of people who will vote Republican on all elections. Then there is the majority of America who votes based on who is more interesting, who is the bigger "celebrity". I mean, do you think the Democratic stronghold of California voted the Republican Governator into office for his "policies" or "stand on issues"? I don't think so.

NY elected Republican Governor George Pataki. The man was drier than the Sahara. The only reason he had a shot is because he was a pro-choice moderate fiscal conservative. Neither he nor Rudy Giuliani nor any pro-choice candidate has a shot in national republican politics and it won't matter how charismatic they are, it's solely about that issue.

Almost everyone votes on the issues, if not one particular issue, or one party, and a small percentage of people are swing voters who may or may not be swayed by a particular candidate's charisma.

You seem to be ignoring demographics, namely racial and social. The republican party is almost entirely caucasion in a country with a rapidly dwindling caucasion majority. Fewer than 1% of the RNC delegates were black. It's not a surprise why republicans are so anti-immigration, because every person of color that gets in here votes against them. And electing a black chairman who gets jiggy with it not going to fix their problems anymore than Palin won over Clinton voters.

In short, the Republican party is almost entirely white in a country where white is a quickly shrinking proportion of the whole. Unless they grab a large percentage of hispanics/blacks or other, they are seriously looking at the end of national politics.
 

cubby1223

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^^^^

Republicans lose elections when they get lured into playing the political games of the Democrats.

If Republicans went back to their fiscal conservative base, they'd kick ass in elections.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
^^^^

Republicans lose elections when they get lured into playing the political games of the Democrats.

If Republicans went back to their fiscal conservative base, they'd kick ass in elections.

Right, when Republicans lose, it's the Democrats fault, and not their own. When the Democrats win, it's because they hoodwinked the populace, not because people are sick of Republicans. As long as republicans whine about the media, the press, the liberal agenda, the intelligencia, the conspiracies...they sound insane. There's Fox news, talk radio, the internet, most places of worship, and the last 8 years in the white house. The republicans like to play victim and blame democrats instead of facing what's wrong with their party. And what's wrong is a hell of a lot more than just their loss of focus on fiscal responsibility.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: jonks
Right, when Republicans lose, it's the Democrats fault, and not their own.

You have serious reading comprehension deficiencies. I never blamed the Democrats for Republicans losing.

Republicans lose when they try to appeal to people like you - who would never vote for a Republican no matter what the circumstance is. It's the Republican's fault, not Democrats.

:roll:

No further discussion necessary, you have no desire to hear anything else besides your own ideology.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: jonks
And what's wrong is a hell of a lot more than just their loss of focus on fiscal responsibility.

Actually, let's do discuss. What is "a hell of a lot more than just their loss of focus on fiscal responsibility"? Do you believe Republicans lose because they are not "liberal enough"? They are not "progressive enough"? Republicans will never win on a platform of "Democrat Lite". John McCain was the perfect candidate for your liking, and you probably joined in on the Obamamania instead of embracing McCain. Now why is that? Your "perfect" Republican candidate won the nomination for President, and he lost! He lost with the entire left-wing of America insulting him every step of the way.

Get your head out of your ass and maybe, just maybe, you can show at least some sign there is intelligence in you.

:D