CNN examines the high cost of college with their film "Ivory Tower."

[JMapleton]

This. That's why average lifetime earnings and unemployment rate for college graduates is *worse* than high school graduates.

Of course it's not. College graduates on average make far more than high school grads. But you knowingly avoid my point.

 

[JMapleton]

True for some. False for most. Imagine someone who wants to do something with Science or Engineering, Medicine, Law, Accounting, and a myriad of other fields. You need an education.

Not to start a business in most of those fields you do not. But you're missing my point. Do not work to "be" a certain profession. I do not want to be an accountant, lawyer, doctor, or even a businessmen. I want to just make money to pursue to the things I want.

 

[LegendKiller]

Of course it's not. College graduates on average make far more than high school grads. But you knowingly avoid my point.

So what's your point?

 

[Carson Dyle]

Not to start a business in most of those fields you do not. But you're missing my point. Do not work to "be" a certain profession. I do not want to be an accountant, lawyer, doctor, or even a businessmen. I want to just make money to pursue to the things I want.

If so, that's sad. This is why so many people are miserable in their jobs. They spend 40+ hours per week just to collect a paycheck. For many people, their work is very much a part of their identity and their legacy.

 

[JMapleton]

So what's your point?

I really shouldn't have to explain it. You're a jerk but you're smarter than that. You're speaking of averages. My point is to avoid the calculation altogether. The "averages" will always do what they do. The enlightened will see beyond that. You can spend your life in a cubicle or start taking risks and make something of yourself.

 

[JMapleton]

If so, that's sad. This is why so many people are miserable in their jobs. They spend 40+ hours per week just to collect a paycheck. For many people, their work is very much a part of their identity and their legacy.

Well you see, if you've had read my posts, you would have seen their fault. A paycheck is never going to make you rich. It's never going to make you happy. A job will always make you miserable and erode your self esteem.

 

[Carson Dyle]

A job will always make you miserable and erode your self esteem.

You're a fucking idiot if that's what you think. I've known plenty of people like you, and _very_ few are "enlightened". Mostly, they're just lazy. They won't work for anyone, so they collect welfare, or they sell drugs, or they mooch off of family members.

 

[JMapleton]

You're a fucking idiot if that's what you think. I've known plenty of people like you, and _very_ few are "enlightened". Mostly, they're just lazy. They won't work for anyone, so they collect welfare, or they sell drugs, or they mooch off of family members.

ROLF. You're missing my point entirely or didn't read my posts. I actually have two jobs. One to pay my bills, another to fund a business I'm trying to start. Starting a business is the way to go. That's my point.

I've never touched a drug (literally), never collected any public assistance, and haven't borrowed money since I was a teenager. Although I do not judge anyone who does those things. I've actually loaned my parents thousands of dollars in the last few years.

 

[Carson Dyle]

ROLF. You're missing my point entirely or didn't read my posts. I actually have two jobs. One to pay my bills, another to fund a business I'm trying to start. Starting a business is the way to go. That's my point.

What business do you want to start?

 

[JMapleton]

What business do you want to start?

I'm not going to go into details, but it mainly deals with distributing inexpensive computer accessories.

 

[LegendKiller]

I really shouldn't have to explain it. You're a jerk but you're smarter than that. You're speaking of averages. My point is to avoid the calculation altogether. The "averages" will always do what they do. The enlightened will see beyond that. You can spend your life in a cubicle or start taking risks and make something of yourself.

Many of the enlightened do pretty fucking well in a cubicle, eventually getting an office, then going higher. I probably do better than the majority of small business owners, I have an office and am not nearly where I will top out in my career.

Having no college degree results in little/no contingency, this is not an "enlightened" move for most people.

Furthermore, most small businesses fail, so the "enlightened" will realize that too.

Averages prove out and that proof means that people are better off with a college degree.

You speak of broad brushes while shitting on college but don't want to speak of it when somebody supports it. Typical myopic jackass.

 

[JMapleton]

Furthermore, most small businesses fail, so the "enlightened" will realize that too.

There you go again with the averages. When you got in your career, did you look up "average" salaries and say to yourself, "this is what I'll make!"? You must have low self esteem if you think your fate will succumb to the "averages."

The average business fails because of bored housewives starting up yoga studios, clothing boutiques, and cupcake shops. This skews the numbers. I'm not average.

 

[LegendKiller]

There you go again with the averages. When you got in your career, did you look up "average" salaries and say to yourself, "this is what I'll make!"? You must have low self esteem if you think your fate will succumb to the "averages."

The average business fails because of bored housewives starting up yoga studios, clothing boutiques, and cupcake shops. This skews the numbers. I'm not average.

So when you made this idiotic statement

"College is a waste." were you talking about you, or 99% of the other population out there? Because that's the question here, how could you make such a stupid generalization but then reject anything that is generalized that doesn't fit within your narrowly defined world view?

Furthermore, I'm not average either but I knew that what I wanted to do required a college education.

There are many routes to success and most of them involve a college education. Simply dismissing college as a "waste" is fucking stupid. This just proves that you aren't "enlightened" since no "enlightened" person would make such a moronic statement.

College is an exercise economic viability of the degree. At this point a decent portion of degrees are not economically viable.

 

[jagec]

So sorry. Your $$ was used to pay the EITC for the underemployed lib arts majors at Starbucks.

I'm not sure that I'd call that an underemployed liberal arts major.

 

[JMapleton]

So when you made this idiotic statement

"College is a waste." were you talking about you, or 99% of the other population out there? Because that's the question here, how could you make such a stupid generalization but then reject anything that is generalized that doesn't fit within your narrowly defined world view?

I understand what you're saying. I was referring to anyone who's ever woke up one day at age 50 and wondered where the eff their life went and why they didn't do something with it. If you're ok with dealing with that, fine. That could happen to me one day, but I'm working to avoid that.

College is the best choice to provide for a family for most people. But it's not useful to me.

 

[LegendKiller]

I understand what you're saying. I was referring to anyone who's ever woke up one day at age 50 and wondered where the eff their life went and why they didn't do something with it. If you're ok with dealing with that, fine. That could happen to me one day, but I'm working to avoid that.

That has nothing to with whether college is a waste, that has to do with whether somebody settles or pushes.

You aren't enlightened, you are narrow minded.

I don't give a shit if you are trying to avoid that, only an idiot would whine and bitch about "averages" then do nothing but spew fake "averages" and hyperbole about cube dewellers wasting their lives.

Who the fuck are you to decide whether "college is a waste" for everybody? You have no insight other than you think its not for you. You can't even add anything but poorly conceived generalizations. This is why you aren't "enlightened". At least provide some reasonable rationale.

Personally, I predict you'll be 50 wondering what the fuck happened. It'll have nothing to do with college and everything to do with your inability to deal with reality.

 

[JMapleton]

hyperbole about cube dewellers wasting their lives.

I'll tell you why I say that.

Those $80k cubicle dwellers are the same people who will snub their noses at the pizza delivery guy or minimum wage musician playing dive bars. When the reality of the situation is that someone who makes $30k a year is in the same boat as someone making $80k year.

They both have to wake up everyday, go to a job they hate, and settle for second best in life. The arrogance of the college guy is just what gets to me.

 

[JMapleton]

Who the fuck are you to decide whether "college is a waste" for everybody?

You like to curse BTW. Make you feel tough?

I'm not "deciding." Everyone has to decide what's best for them. My opinion is worthless to anyone but me. College is a waste for me. My point is that college and a 9-5 will not make you happy. Content but not happy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Wow. Thank god your niece got the scholarships to cut the coat in half. It's still not cheap though. $80k for a four year degree! I can't even imagine how graduates are even going to pay back $160k unless they take a profession that pays well.

We should all come together and forgo college for a year. Just don't enroll. I bet that would have a huge impact on college tuition.

I think a lot of the blame has to go to the parents. They should sit down with their 19 year old and talk about the pros/cons to going to college, how they intend to pay back their loan, and the consequences to taking out such a large amount. The problem is most parents are just not involved.

It will have a great effect. People will be shunted into trade programs and almost all higher education will vanish. A few quality institutions will arise and the elite educational class dominated by the wealthy will result. Since fixed costs for education forbid cheap learning in technical areas especially combined with government bureaucracy which impede rational reform, we'll see limited numbers of professionals, and an increasingly stratified society. You will have gotten what you asked for.

 

[MarkXIX]

I think what you're missing is that those facilities are highly visible to prospective new students (and their parents), so are important in drawing in new recruits. Which is critical to the bottom line.

This just gets to my point. Why should I pay for the rest of my life to pay for four years of facility use?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

If so, that's sad. This is why so many people are miserable in their jobs. They spend 40+ hours per week just to collect a paycheck. For many people, their work is very much a part of their identity and their legacy.

Actually, the part that is really sad is the bolded part. I like my job, but I go to work to earn a pay check to do the things I really care about. I really laugh when people are work martyrs and act as if that's their real identity because let's face it - most of us are office workers and we're not saving lives, curing cancer, or doing important research.

 

[LegendKiller]

I'll tell you why I say that.

Those $80k cubicle dwellers are the same people who will snub their noses at the pizza delivery guy or minimum wage musician playing dive bars. When the reality of the situation is that someone who makes $30k a year is in the same boat as someone making $80k year.

They both have to wake up everyday, go to a job they hate, and settle for second best in life. The arrogance of the college guy is just what gets to me.

More generalizations. You love to spew "averages" but don't like to accept them at all. Somebody making 80k is in the same boat as 30k? What the fuck is that?

The arrogance of the guy who thinks that everybody has to do it his way is what gets me. You aren't some business god.

You have got to be one of the dumbest, most ignorant, and quite possibly most ridiculous, person I've seen posting on this board. I would rank you somewhere around Mc0wned in how stupid your generalizations are.