CNN decides, you can't be in debate

imported_Shivetya

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Gotta love the Clinton News Network, got to keep the field smaller so Hitlary can get into office.


Honestly, this far in advance anyone with a real background should be allowed in the debate, especially if they can show real support. Then again maybe some out there should thank the press for sink Dean in 04 and pushing Kerry... then again maybe we should all be mad at ****** like that but I bet most just pass over it.





CNN BARS CANDIDATE FROM DEBATE, CENSORSHIP CHARGED
Wed Mar 14 2007 16:41:53 ET

He spoke at the DNC winter meeting standing next to Howard Dean and was at the Nevada candidate's forum with Hillary Clinton, Edwards and the others and he's been invited to ABC's debates, but CNN has barred former U.S. Senator Mike Gravel from their New Hampshire debate, without giving a reason.

Gravel is to put out this press release tomorrow:

CNN AND LOCAL NEW HAMPSHIRE MEDIA IMPOSE CENSORSHIP AND TRASH FAIRNESS IN THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES

March 15, 2007 - Washington, D.C. ? CNN, the Manchester Union Leader and the Hearst-owned WMUR-TV have formally decided to exclude Democratic Presidential Candidate Senator Mike Gravel from the debates they will be sponsoring in New Hampshire.

This decision calls into question media censorship and goes against a fundamental American belief in ?Fairness,? which is especially critical in the political process.

The Senator said, ?By denying me the same opportunity afforded to other presidential candidates to discuss in public debate the major issues that confront our nation, the sponsoring media outlets??CNN, The Manchester Union Leader and the Hearst-owned WMUR-TV??are exercising censorship, unbecoming in a free society. They are dictating whose political voice they will permit New Hampshire and American citizens to hear.?

?These media outlets are depriving the people the right to hear a voice they may very well want to hear, and in my case, a voice with some new and different ideas not expressed by other candidates??not ?politics as usual.? This amounts to denying the people the right to an informed choice from among all the declared and legitimate candidates, not just those deemed worthy by a few media organizations.?

The Senator continued, ?It is not CNN?s, the Manchester Union Leader?s or Hearst?s WMUR-TV?s place to decide whose voice should and should not be heard in a debate between legitimate and qualified presidential candidates for the nomination of their political parties. When my staff inquired as to why I was being barred from participating in the debate, they received the Orwellian response that my candidacy did not meet certain criteria??a criteria that the media organizations refused to divulge when asked.?

A poll of political scientists and speech specialists in Nevada rated Senator Gravel the third most effective presenter at the debate/forum sponsored by ABC, AFSCME, and the Nevada Democratic party in Carson City last month.

The Senator concluded, ?In short, this action is an insidious form of censorship that injures the American people and its political process, already compromised by the corrupting and excessive influence of money, while seriously eroding the concept of fairness so central to the American ethos and culture.

The actions of CNN, The Manchester Union Leader and Hearst?s WMUR-TV set a dangerous precedent and are more akin to totalitarian tyrannies than the world?s greatest democracy, particularly in a state with the motto: ?Live Free of Die.? We can only wonder what is behind such inappropriate intervention in our political process that does not let the people decide.?

Mike Gravel, a resident of Virginia, is a former two-term Senator from Alaska with a distinguished record that includes successfully ending the military draft with a five-month filibuster, releasing the Pentagon Papers risking both prosecution and jail, playing the leading role in making the Alaska pipeline a reality, and ending nuclear testing in Alaska. He is the driving force and author of the National Initiative for Democracy, a proposal to bring the ballot initiative lawmaking process??already proven in many states as an effective and necessary check on unresponsive representative government??to the Federal level.

END

 

Fern

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Yes, at this point he s/b in the debate. Almost everybody should. Particularly this guy, he looks to have plenty of political "cred".

I think the other candidates should consider refusing the offer if CNN doesn't let him participate.

Fern
 
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Originally posted by: Fern
Yes, at this point he s/b in the debate. Almost everybody should. Particularly this guy, he looks to have plenty of political "cred".

I think the other candidates should consider refusing the offer if CNN doesn't let him participate.

Fern

The folks in Alaska think he's a nutcase. Something has happened to that guy since the days of all his listed accomplishments. He is not the same guy he was when he was senator. (Or so I was told by several people who are old enough to remember)

That said, this early on, I don't see a reason to exclude anyone.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)
 

Sinsear

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In all fairness he should be included if he so wishes. I wonder what the reasoning behind it is. Maybe due to numbers/crowding? Would be hell if all the candidates were to show up at once to debate. Though it could be entertaining.







I wonder if CNN is gonna let Dave into the debates during his run for the presidency ;).
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
In all fairness he should be included if he so wishes. I wonder what the reasoning behind it is. Maybe due to numbers/crowding? Would be hell if all the candidates were to show up at once to debate. Though it could be entertaining.







I wonder if CNN is gonna let Dave into the debates during his run for the presidency ;).
I don't think Dave wouod be able to make it due to the Star trek Convention being in town that day.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)
The Freeper is strong in that one.

 

BarneyFife

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They should have let Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader in a couple years ago. Its a shame that we are controlled by 2 parties.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)


Ah, so I guess us conservatives can use that as an excuse to not address the points of any posts that contain "Dumbya", "Repugs", or any of the other deragotory terms thrown at us.....
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)
The Freeper is strong in that one.


So you can dish it out but you can't take it huh?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)
The Freeper is strong in that one.


So you can dish it out but you can't take it huh?
I can take it, give me your best!:laugh:

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)
The Freeper is strong in that one.


So you can dish it out but you can't take it huh?
I can take it, give me your best!:laugh:

The moveon.org is strong in this one..

Lame I know, but its all I got, I'll leave the good stuff up to Shivetya.

 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)


Ah, so I guess us conservatives don't have to read any posts that say "Dumbya", "Repugs", or any of the other deragotory terms thrown at us.....

I was about to post the same thing. Too many posts from our liberal friends include these as well as whackos, wingnuts, and traitors.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)
The Freeper is strong in that one.


So you can dish it out but you can't take it huh?
I can take it, give me your best!:laugh:

The moveon.org is strong in this one..

Lame I know, but its all I got, I'll leave the good stuff up to Shivetya.
No it's not lame, it's good..well at least for you.

 

QuantumPion

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Well it's not really censorship, CNN being a cable news network not owned by the government. But it's still pretty lame of them. Then again, if I owned a news network and were hosting debates, I wouldn't admit Lyndon Larouche or some other whacko.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)


Ah, so I guess us conservatives don't have to read any posts that say "Dumbya", "Repugs", or any of the other deragotory terms thrown at us.....
Of course you don't!

 

Arcex

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)


Ah, so I guess us conservatives don't have to read any posts that say "Dumbya", "Repugs", or any of the other deragotory terms thrown at us.....

Well... no, you don't have to read something if you don't want to. I'm sorry, was someone holding a gun to your head and telling you you had to read something you found distasteful?

Anyway, as far as letting him into the debates goes, of course they should let him in. From a political point of view it's smart to not allow him for the obvious reason that they don't want to split the Democratic vote. It's wrong but logical from their standpoint.

And yeah, it sucks that we are controlled by 2 parties, it's rediculous.
 

RightIsWrong

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I'd say to let him in.

If WYD is right and he is a total nutbar, then the other "candidates" should want him in there.

Unless they are afraid that it will turn the clock back to 92 when they let Perot into a debate. I don't think that they thought he had a snowball's chance in hell afterwards....but they sure weren't happy having to respond to some of the real issues that he brought up.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Arcex
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)


Ah, so I guess us conservatives don't have to read any posts that say "Dumbya", "Repugs", or any of the other deragotory terms thrown at us.....

Well... no, you don't have to read something if you don't want to. I'm sorry, was someone holding a gun to your head and telling you you had to read something you found distasteful?

Anyway, as far as letting him into the debates goes, of course they should let him in. From a political point of view it's smart to not allow him for the obvious reason that they don't want to split the Democratic vote. It's wrong but logical from their standpoint.

And yeah, it sucks that we are controlled by 2 parties, it's rediculous.

I edited it for the slow, you might be able to understand what I meant now. ;)

 

Arcex

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Arcex
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)


Ah, so I guess us conservatives don't have to read any posts that say "Dumbya", "Repugs", or any of the other deragotory terms thrown at us.....

Well... no, you don't have to read something if you don't want to. I'm sorry, was someone holding a gun to your head and telling you you had to read something you found distasteful?

Anyway, as far as letting him into the debates goes, of course they should let him in. From a political point of view it's smart to not allow him for the obvious reason that they don't want to split the Democratic vote. It's wrong but logical from their standpoint.

And yeah, it sucks that we are controlled by 2 parties, it's rediculous.

I edited it for the slow, you might be able to understand what I meant now. ;)

OK, then in response to your edit, I officially grant you my permission to use that as a excuse not to address those posts.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Arcex
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Arcex
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
lol you neo-cons crack me up.

So what is your opinion on the story?

You didn't direct this post at me, but I stopped reading after "Clinton News Network" and "Hitlary" - and I don't even like Hillary :)


Ah, so I guess us conservatives don't have to read any posts that say "Dumbya", "Repugs", or any of the other deragotory terms thrown at us.....

Well... no, you don't have to read something if you don't want to. I'm sorry, was someone holding a gun to your head and telling you you had to read something you found distasteful?

Anyway, as far as letting him into the debates goes, of course they should let him in. From a political point of view it's smart to not allow him for the obvious reason that they don't want to split the Democratic vote. It's wrong but logical from their standpoint.

And yeah, it sucks that we are controlled by 2 parties, it's rediculous.

I edited it for the slow, you might be able to understand what I meant now. ;)

OK, then in response to your edit, I officially grant you my permission to use that as a excuse not to address those posts.


Thank you, and I will now exercise this right by not addressing DealMonkeys post.
 

fskimospy

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While I'm all for a broad range of opinions and all, you realize that with every debate and every election there is always someone who says they should be involved but isn't. And they always cry censorship. At some point there has to be a cutoff, because if not you'll have guys like this in on it. Where do you draw the line?

Anyways, I'm still for letting this guy in.. he doesn't seem THAT far out there. But Shivetya, I would have to say that I'm impressed by how impenetrable your partisanship is. No matter how many times you're shot down for your 'liberal media' crap... you just come right back with it. You truly are immune to reason.