News [CNBC] AMD, Samsung partner on mobile graphics tech

[Panino Manino]

Samsung’s dream Exynos chip for Galaxy S25 could have more optimized AMD GPU

There have been various reports and rumors about Samsung's upcoming

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It will be based on AMD’s Radeon technology as a part of their extended partnership and will focus on improving optimization. While it wasn’t explicitly mentioned in the tweet, it is suggested that the two companies will focus on optimization rather than raw performance.

They make it sound like the fault it's on AMD's architecture, but wasn't the problem with their last try Samsung process taht clocked the GPU much lower than expected?

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Samsung Exynos 2400 to bring a massive increase in GPU performance
I thought Xclipse 920 GPU had 6CU, but according to this article It had only 3CU.
Now the one in Exynos 2400 supposedly has 12CU. That's as much as Rembrandt, but of course at much lower clocks.

 

[NTMBK]

Samsung Exynos 2400 to bring a massive increase in GPU performance
I thought Xclipse 920 GPU had 6CU, but according to this article It had only 3CU.
Now the one in Exynos 2400 supposedly has 12CU. That's as much as Rembrandt, but of course at much lower clocks.

Damn, that sounds impressive. I hope Samsung's fabs are up to the task this time.

 

[Panino Manino]

Wouldn't that be stupid? So many CUs?
There's enough bandwidth to justify this?

 

[KompuKare]

Wide and slow for extra efficiency?
Could be a reasonable strategy to get better perf/watt at the cost of silicon.

 

[NTMBK]

Wide and slow for extra efficiency?
Could be a reasonable strategy to get better perf/watt at the cost of silicon.

Definitely avoids the problem they had last time, that they couldn't clock it high enough.

 

[Tup3x]

Wouldn't that be stupid? So many CUs?
There's enough bandwidth to justify this?

It's going to need those... Exynos 2200 ran hot and current Snapdragon is on another level in performance. Next gen Snapdragon is going to have even beefier GPU so even this might not be enough.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

4x more CU is a gigantic improvement, but of course, If the frequency will be only 50% of the Xclipse 920, then you gain only ~100% more performance. That would be only enough to be on par with the best Adreno 740 implementations.

3DMark Wild Life Unlimited

Xclipse 920(Link) vs Adreno 740(Link)​

7288-7890 vs 13827-14566 (Difference: 75-100%)

3DMark Wild Life Extreme Unlimited:

Xclipse 920 vs Adreno 740​

1855-1935 vs 3173-3791 (Difference: 64-104%)

In the end, the frequency during gaming will be the key factor of how good It will perform.
Even If peak performance ends up worse, If the stability will be higher than the next gen Adreno, It could end up the same or better for actual gaming.
Adreno 740 in Asus ROG Phone 7 manages only 55.9% in Dynamic mode, but with AeroActive Cooler 7 a fantastic 99.5% stability. Link

 

[Tup3x]

4x more CU is a gigantic improvement, but of course, If the frequency will be only 50% of the Xclipse 920, then you gain only ~100% more performance. That would be only enough to be on par with the best Adreno 740 implementations.

3DMark Wild Life Unlimited

Xclipse 920(Link) vs Adreno 740(Link)​

7288-7890 vs 13827-14566 (Difference: 75-100%)

3DMark Wild Life Extreme Unlimited:

Xclipse 920 vs Adreno 740​

1855-1935 vs 3173-3791 (Difference: 64-104%)

In the end, the frequency during gaming will be the key factor of how good It will perform.
Even If peak performance ends up worse, If the stability will be higher than the next gen Adreno, It could end up the same or better for actual gaming.
Adreno 740 in Asus ROG Phone 7 manages only 55.9% in Dynamic mode, but with AeroActive Cooler 7 a fantastic 99.5% stability. Link

Also keep in mind that actual games often run like... you know what and the experience was often a stutterfest and/or FPS all over the place. Samsung also did some rather questionable things like by default games didn't even run at native resolution (or at the intended resolution). One had to use Samsung's Game Plugins and manually set the resolution to max (ironically one doesn't need to do that with S23). Of course it only affected games and not benchmarks...

It doesn't have native OpenGL ES driver so it uses ANGLE. No doubt that that's part of the problem but even still, it wasn't that competitive in pure Vulkan benchmarks.

I upgraded from S22 Exynos to S23 and it was absolutely massive upgrade.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Also keep in mind that actual games often run like... you know what and the experience was often a stutterfest and/or FPS all over the place. Samsung also did some rather questionable things like by default games didn't even run at native resolution (or at the intended resolution). One had to use Samsung's Game Plugins and manually set the resolution to max (ironically one doesn't need to do that with S23). Of course it only affected games and not benchmarks...

It doesn't have native OpenGL ES driver so it uses ANGLE. No doubt that that's part of the problem but even still, it wasn't that competitive in pure Vulkan benchmarks.

I upgraded from S22 Exynos to S23 and it was absolutely massive upgrade.

I don't know, I don't play on my phone, never saw the appeal.
I don't understand what you wanted to say with your post. I posted the numbers where Adreno 740 is 2x faster and you pretty much confirmed It. Was that the point?

 

[Tup3x]

I don't know, I don't play on my phone, never saw the appeal.
I don't understand what you wanted to say with your post. I posted the numbers where Adreno 740 is 2x faster and you pretty much confirmed It. Was that the point?

No. The point was that it actual games it runs worse than what 3DMark would suggest. Efficiency is pretty bad too.