Clinton unveils plan to stimulate economy

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COMMERCE, Calif. - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton unveiled a $70 billion economic stimulus package Friday aimed at making it easier for millions of people to pay their mortgages and home heating bills.

The five-part plan is designed to help homeowners hurt by the housing foreclosure crisis, help families having trouble paying their energy bills and support people who have lost their jobs, according to a material released by her campaign. Clinton also was urging the government to invest in "green collar jobs" to stimulate the economy and improve the environment, her campaign said.

If the economy continues to worsen, Congress should provide an additional $40 billion in direct tax rebates to working and middle class families, Clinton said.


The proposal, Clinton's campaign said, would provide 37 million Americans with energy assistance. Hundreds of thousands more families would get help to avoid foreclosure, according to the proposal.

According to the campaign, the plan includes:

Establishing a $30 billion housing crisis fund to help states and localities deal with the fallout of foreclosures. The federal money could be used to ease the effects of vacant properties with anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy and rent out vacant properties.
Setting a 90-day moratorium on subprime mortgages of at least five years, or until housing lenders have converted mortgages into loans families can afford. The proposal also would increase the portfolio caps at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Providing $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing rising heating bills. While 37 million families are eligible for energy assistance, only 5.6 million, or 16 percent, are slated to receive any aid this winter, the campaign said. She is proposing immediate grants to all 37 million eligible families.
Providing $10 billion to extend unemployment insurance for those struggling to find work while supporting families.


Providing $5 billion in energy efficiency by doing such things as giving tax credits to encourage purchases of low emission vehicles and efficient appliances windows and other clean technologies. She also proposes funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient.
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You suppose the republicans can come up with a better one?

~I have a better plan. We put 200,000 legal citizens to work securing our borders, rounding up illegal citizens (7-20 million depending on your source) and deport them. Huge and immediate economic stimulus and recession instantly over.

 

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Yes, because there would be no impact from the lack of employment in the jobs they were leaving. No one left to flip your burger, shine your shoes, etc. doesn't hurt near as much as no one out there on the farms, busting their ass off for a measly $5 an hour. Obviously though, THEYTOOKOURJOBS!, fuck those lazy, good for nothing goobacks don't deserve a chance at all!

<That being said, Clinton pissing $70B down the drain = not so good in my books>
 
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
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updated 6:25 p.m. CT, Fri., Jan. 11, 2008
COMMERCE, Calif. - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton unveiled a $70 billion economic stimulus package Friday aimed at making it easier for millions of people to pay their mortgages and home heating bills.

The five-part plan is designed to help homeowners hurt by the housing foreclosure crisis, help families having trouble paying their energy bills and support people who have lost their jobs, according to a material released by her campaign. Clinton also was urging the government to invest in "green collar jobs" to stimulate the economy and improve the environment, her campaign said.

If the economy continues to worsen, Congress should provide an additional $40 billion in direct tax rebates to working and middle class families, Clinton said.


The proposal, Clinton's campaign said, would provide 37 million Americans with energy assistance. Hundreds of thousands more families would get help to avoid foreclosure, according to the proposal.

According to the campaign, the plan includes:

Establishing a $30 billion housing crisis fund to help states and localities deal with the fallout of foreclosures. The federal money could be used to ease the effects of vacant properties with anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy and rent out vacant properties.
Setting a 90-day moratorium on subprime mortgages of at least five years, or until housing lenders have converted mortgages into loans families can afford. The proposal also would increase the portfolio caps at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Providing $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing rising heating bills. While 37 million families are eligible for energy assistance, only 5.6 million, or 16 percent, are slated to receive any aid this winter, the campaign said. She is proposing immediate grants to all 37 million eligible families.
Providing $10 billion to extend unemployment insurance for those struggling to find work while supporting families.


Providing $5 billion in energy efficiency by doing such things as giving tax credits to encourage purchases of low emission vehicles and efficient appliances windows and other clean technologies. She also proposes funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient.
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You suppose the republicans can come up with a better one?

~I have a better plan. We put 200,000 legal citizens to work securing our borders, rounding up illegal citizens (7-20 million depending on your source) and deport them. Huge and immediate economic stimulus and recession instantly over.
I wonder how many legal citizens will be willing to fill in regular immigrant worker jobs for the same wage?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...01-09-immigcover_N.htm

I don't care for illegal immigrants any more than the next guy and don't have a soft spot in my heart for them. But it's not likely that ridding this country of illegal immigrants is going to have a positive economic impact. Let's face it. If you have any sort of decent job it's highly unlikely that some illegal from Columbia is your boss or coworker. However, for those that are making careers out of picking fruit, re-shingling houses, or scrubbing toilets...by all means.

Besides that, Hillary's plan is horrid. It sends the message that if people overextend themselves the government will happily bail then out of their stupidity. It's further erosion of personal responsibility.
 

Nebor

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Sweet. More welfare. I think I'm going to stop worrying about money since the government is watching out for me.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Fun. More taxes. Why is it the governments job to bail everything out? ggrrr

My plan doesn't cost anything. 200,000 people costing 100,000 per year is 20 billion dollars. There has to be at least that much sent to just mexico from our legal economy every year. Probably another 20 billion in drug proceeds from our illegal economy, if not more.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Ozoned
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updated 6:25 p.m. CT, Fri., Jan. 11, 2008
COMMERCE, Calif. - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton unveiled a $70 billion economic stimulus package Friday aimed at making it easier for millions of people to pay their mortgages and home heating bills.

The five-part plan is designed to help homeowners hurt by the housing foreclosure crisis, help families having trouble paying their energy bills and support people who have lost their jobs, according to a material released by her campaign. Clinton also was urging the government to invest in "green collar jobs" to stimulate the economy and improve the environment, her campaign said.

If the economy continues to worsen, Congress should provide an additional $40 billion in direct tax rebates to working and middle class families, Clinton said.


The proposal, Clinton's campaign said, would provide 37 million Americans with energy assistance. Hundreds of thousands more families would get help to avoid foreclosure, according to the proposal.

According to the campaign, the plan includes:

Establishing a $30 billion housing crisis fund to help states and localities deal with the fallout of foreclosures. The federal money could be used to ease the effects of vacant properties with anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy and rent out vacant properties.
Setting a 90-day moratorium on subprime mortgages of at least five years, or until housing lenders have converted mortgages into loans families can afford. The proposal also would increase the portfolio caps at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Providing $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing rising heating bills. While 37 million families are eligible for energy assistance, only 5.6 million, or 16 percent, are slated to receive any aid this winter, the campaign said. She is proposing immediate grants to all 37 million eligible families.
Providing $10 billion to extend unemployment insurance for those struggling to find work while supporting families.


Providing $5 billion in energy efficiency by doing such things as giving tax credits to encourage purchases of low emission vehicles and efficient appliances windows and other clean technologies. She also proposes funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient.
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You suppose the republicans can come up with a better one?

~I have a better plan. We put 200,000 legal citizens to work securing our borders, rounding up illegal citizens (7-20 million depending on your source) and deport them. Huge and immediate economic stimulus and recession instantly over.
I wonder how many legal citizens will be willing to fill in regular immigrant worker jobs for the same wage?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...01-09-immigcover_N.htm

I don't care for illegal immigrants any more than the next guy and don't have a soft spot in my heart for them. But it's not likely that ridding this country of illegal immigrants is going to have a positive economic impact. Let's face it. If you have any sort of decent job it's highly unlikely that some illegal from Columbia is your boss or coworker. However, for those that are making careers out of picking fruit, re-shingling houses, or scrubbing toilets...by all means.

Besides that, Hillary's plan is horrid. It sends the message that if people overextend thereselves the government will happily bail then out of their stupidity. It's further erosion of personal responsibility.
I want private industry to compete for my labor. If they (illegals) are gone, they will compete and pay me more to do. If they can't do that, compete, and turn a profit, they will have to cease being a business and enter the workforce along with the rest of us that don't exploit cheap illegal labor.
 

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Add that to the 5000 dollars for every baby born..plus universal health care. She really seems to want to destroy this country. So much spending and nothing to spend! Nothing like trying to buy votes!

A good relevant read in regard to politicians buying votes is The Suffrage of Elvira by V.S. Naipal. It is funny to see how politics are the same world wide.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Add that to the 5000 dollars for every baby born..plus universal health care. She really seems to want to destroy this country. So much spending and nothing to spend! Nothing like trying to buy votes!

A good relevant read in regard to politicians buying votes is The Suffrage of Elvira by V.S. Naipal. It is funny to see how politics are the same world wide.
Right now, the next 3 months, Americans will likely pay the largest home heating bills that they have ever paid. There is nothing like massaging the voters balls when their balls ache. She has Bills best advisors back on the job.
 
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Ozoned
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updated 6:25 p.m. CT, Fri., Jan. 11, 2008
COMMERCE, Calif. - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton unveiled a $70 billion economic stimulus package Friday aimed at making it easier for millions of people to pay their mortgages and home heating bills.

The five-part plan is designed to help homeowners hurt by the housing foreclosure crisis, help families having trouble paying their energy bills and support people who have lost their jobs, according to a material released by her campaign. Clinton also was urging the government to invest in "green collar jobs" to stimulate the economy and improve the environment, her campaign said.

If the economy continues to worsen, Congress should provide an additional $40 billion in direct tax rebates to working and middle class families, Clinton said.


The proposal, Clinton's campaign said, would provide 37 million Americans with energy assistance. Hundreds of thousands more families would get help to avoid foreclosure, according to the proposal.

According to the campaign, the plan includes:

Establishing a $30 billion housing crisis fund to help states and localities deal with the fallout of foreclosures. The federal money could be used to ease the effects of vacant properties with anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy and rent out vacant properties.
Setting a 90-day moratorium on subprime mortgages of at least five years, or until housing lenders have converted mortgages into loans families can afford. The proposal also would increase the portfolio caps at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Providing $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing rising heating bills. While 37 million families are eligible for energy assistance, only 5.6 million, or 16 percent, are slated to receive any aid this winter, the campaign said. She is proposing immediate grants to all 37 million eligible families.
Providing $10 billion to extend unemployment insurance for those struggling to find work while supporting families.


Providing $5 billion in energy efficiency by doing such things as giving tax credits to encourage purchases of low emission vehicles and efficient appliances windows and other clean technologies. She also proposes funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient.
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You suppose the republicans can come up with a better one?

~I have a better plan. We put 200,000 legal citizens to work securing our borders, rounding up illegal citizens (7-20 million depending on your source) and deport them. Huge and immediate economic stimulus and recession instantly over.
I wonder how many legal citizens will be willing to fill in regular immigrant worker jobs for the same wage?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...01-09-immigcover_N.htm

I don't care for illegal immigrants any more than the next guy and don't have a soft spot in my heart for them. But it's not likely that ridding this country of illegal immigrants is going to have a positive economic impact. Let's face it. If you have any sort of decent job it's highly unlikely that some illegal from Columbia is your boss or coworker. However, for those that are making careers out of picking fruit, re-shingling houses, or scrubbing toilets...by all means.

Besides that, Hillary's plan is horrid. It sends the message that if people overextend thereselves the government will happily bail then out of their stupidity. It's further erosion of personal responsibility.
I want private industry to compete for my labor. If they (illegals) are gone, they will compete and pay me more to do. If they can't do that, compete, and turn a profit, they will have to cease being a business and enter the workforce along with the rest of us that don't exploit cheap illegal labor.
That's fine. Let's see if people feel the same way when the costs of that gets passed on to everyone and we find out that it's not a boon to the economy but a big drain instead.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
That's fine. Let's see if people feel the same way when the costs of that gets passed on to everyone and we find out that it's not a boon to the economy but a big drain instead.

Just like the war in Iraq.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Ozoned
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updated 6:25 p.m. CT, Fri., Jan. 11, 2008
COMMERCE, Calif. - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton unveiled a $70 billion economic stimulus package Friday aimed at making it easier for millions of people to pay their mortgages and home heating bills.

The five-part plan is designed to help homeowners hurt by the housing foreclosure crisis, help families having trouble paying their energy bills and support people who have lost their jobs, according to a material released by her campaign. Clinton also was urging the government to invest in "green collar jobs" to stimulate the economy and improve the environment, her campaign said.

If the economy continues to worsen, Congress should provide an additional $40 billion in direct tax rebates to working and middle class families, Clinton said.


The proposal, Clinton's campaign said, would provide 37 million Americans with energy assistance. Hundreds of thousands more families would get help to avoid foreclosure, according to the proposal.

According to the campaign, the plan includes:

Establishing a $30 billion housing crisis fund to help states and localities deal with the fallout of foreclosures. The federal money could be used to ease the effects of vacant properties with anti-blight programs and helping local housing authorities buy and rent out vacant properties.
Setting a 90-day moratorium on subprime mortgages of at least five years, or until housing lenders have converted mortgages into loans families can afford. The proposal also would increase the portfolio caps at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Providing $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing rising heating bills. While 37 million families are eligible for energy assistance, only 5.6 million, or 16 percent, are slated to receive any aid this winter, the campaign said. She is proposing immediate grants to all 37 million eligible families.
Providing $10 billion to extend unemployment insurance for those struggling to find work while supporting families.


Providing $5 billion in energy efficiency by doing such things as giving tax credits to encourage purchases of low emission vehicles and efficient appliances windows and other clean technologies. She also proposes funds to train and put to work people making public buildings more energy efficient.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You suppose the republicans can come up with a better one?

~I have a better plan. We put 200,000 legal citizens to work securing our borders, rounding up illegal citizens (7-20 million depending on your source) and deport them. Huge and immediate economic stimulus and recession instantly over.
I wonder how many legal citizens will be willing to fill in regular immigrant worker jobs for the same wage?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...01-09-immigcover_N.htm

I don't care for illegal immigrants any more than the next guy and don't have a soft spot in my heart for them. But it's not likely that ridding this country of illegal immigrants is going to have a positive economic impact. Let's face it. If you have any sort of decent job it's highly unlikely that some illegal from Columbia is your boss or coworker. However, for those that are making careers out of picking fruit, re-shingling houses, or scrubbing toilets...by all means.

Besides that, Hillary's plan is horrid. It sends the message that if people overextend thereselves the government will happily bail then out of their stupidity. It's further erosion of personal responsibility.
I want private industry to compete for my labor. If they (illegals) are gone, they will compete and pay me more to do. If they can't do that, compete, and turn a profit, they will have to cease being a business and enter the workforce along with the rest of us that don't exploit cheap illegal labor.
That's fine. Let's see if people feel the same way when the costs of that gets passed on to everyone and we find out that it's not a boon to the economy but a big drain instead.

;) ;) I actually do know that cheap labor is good economics for those of us that are not in poverty, but if we are going to just pull an economic stimulus plan out of our ass, I thought I would just throw one in also. I think I could sell it also. Just show the legal people that are out of work, film clips of the illegal people that are working. Heh.
 

BoomerD

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I see folks from the right bitching about Clinton wanting to borrow money to pay the bills and help Americans...isn't that what GWB has been doing for the past seven years? The big difference is that Clinton's plan might help working men & women in this country instead of Halliburton and the rest of King George's corporate friends...

To me, if we're going to be taxed for welfare, I'd rather see it go to the poorer people who might use it to increase their lot in life than to somr rich fat-cat...
We The People...not We The Corporations.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
I see folks from the right bitching about Clinton wanting to borrow money to pay the bills and help Americans...isn't that what GWB has been doing for the past seven years? The big difference is that Clinton's plan might help working men & women in this country instead of Halliburton and the rest of King George's corporate friends...

To me, if we're going to be taxed for welfare, I'd rather see it go to the poorer people who might use it to increase their lot in life than to somr rich fat-cat...
We The People...not We The Corporations.
Screw the corporations for the benefit of the people. That would be akin to masturbation, because for the most part We the corporations are we the people. Got 401K? Got IRA? Got pension?
 

CycloWizard

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Since Bush took over, the three biggest complaints against him are:
1. War in Iraq
2. Helping oil companies
3. In bed with corporations

Now here we have Hillary doing exactly #2 and #3, except that instead of giving the money directly to the banks or oil companies, it passes through the hands of the consumer on its way there. Are we supposed to throw her a parade or something? WTF. :roll:
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BoomerD
I see folks from the right bitching about Clinton wanting to borrow money to pay the bills and help Americans...isn't that what GWB has been doing for the past seven years? The big difference is that Clinton's plan might help working men & women in this country instead of Halliburton and the rest of King George's corporate friends...

To me, if we're going to be taxed for welfare, I'd rather see it go to the poorer people who might use it to increase their lot in life than to somr rich fat-cat...
We The People...not We The Corporations.
Screw the corporations for the benefit of the people. That would be akin to masturbation, because for the most part We the corporations are we the people. Got 401K? Got IRA? Got pension?

Ah, so you prefer to screw the people for the benefit of the corporations...well, that IS the Republican way I suppose. When the government gives corporate welfare to big business but screws the working-class, it doesn't bode well for freedom for the people.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
I see folks from the right bitching about Clinton wanting to borrow money to pay the bills and help Americans...isn't that what GWB has been doing for the past seven years? The big difference is that Clinton's plan might help working men & women in this country instead of Halliburton and the rest of King George's corporate friends...

To me, if we're going to be taxed for welfare, I'd rather see it go to the poorer people who might use it to increase their lot in life than to somr rich fat-cat...
We The People...not We The Corporations.


Those of us who are real conservatives are ticked off at both. Don't drag us into the faux Republican group.
 

NoStateofMind

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Wait, let me get this straight. Clinton wants UHC and a "stimulus package"? Where is this money coming from?
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Wait, let me get this straight. Clinton wants UHC and a "stimulus package"? Where is this money coming from?

Where is the money for Iraq coming from?
 

biostud

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If you give money to "poor" they're going to spend them in the US and the money is then channeled back into society improving business. So it's all a matter of whether you prioritize luxury spending or social spending.
 

Pabster

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This is gonna be great!

Free health care ... Baby Bonds ... Retirement ... "Recession Rebates" ... America, FUCK YEAH! :laugh:
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Pabster
This is gonna be great!

Free health care ... Baby Bonds ... Retirement ... "Recession Rebates" ... America, FUCK YEAH! :laugh:

Really, we won't have to worry about anything ever again. Our leaders will worry for us!