Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Jhhnn]

It's somewhat hilarious to me that you just attempted to school me on wiping individual hard drives by linking to a bunch of articles for using DBAN on Linux systems. In the scenario I referenced you don't have access to the server, just the drives themselves - which is why you need to emulate the controller.

Christ, you're so fucking retarded college kids should use your posts as drinking games to get drunk at parties. Take a shot for everything you say that is completely irrelevant to the point you're trying to debunk.

Oh.. wait, never-mind. I get it. You're just trying to confuse and deflect. On second thought, carry on as usual, your ignorance is an endless source of (somewhat pity-driven) amusement.

So, you posited a scenario that doesn't apply to Clinton's intact & functional retired server at all, correct?

That matters in what way, exactly?

Well, other than you trying to bullshit us?

 

[Genx87]

It's somewhat hilarious to me that you just attempted to school me on wiping individual hard drives by linking to a bunch of articles for using DBAN on Linux systems. In the scenario I referenced you don't have access to the server, just the drives themselves - which is why you need to emulate the controller.

Christ, you're so fucking retarded college kids should use your posts as drinking games to get drunk at parties. Take a shot for everything you say that is completely irrelevant to the point you're trying to debunk.

Oh.. wait, never-mind. I get it. You're just trying to confuse and deflect. On second thought, carry on as usual, your ignorance is an endless source of (somewhat pity-driven) amusement.

I liked the condescending tone at the end of his post about how professionals need to keep up with developments while linking to a forum question from 5 years ago

We use a DoD level device to erase our drives followed by a meeting with a Whitaker Bros data destroyer.. Or for shits and giggles several .223 or .308 rounds. Really neat to see how the round melts the platters as it passes through.

 

[Virge_]

So, you posited a scenario that doesn't apply to Clinton's intact & functional retired server at all, correct?

That matters in what way, exactly?

Well, other than you trying to bullshit us?

This is not an insult, it's a serious question that would answer a lot of very confusing actions; Do you smoke crack before you type?

The majority of what I wrote was to establish precedence for a possible scenario where they could have recovered data, which is exactly what you were asking about. In what bizarro world do you get to say stupid shit like "intact and functional retired server" like that fucking matters in any way, let alone even makes sense as a question?

Here. You seem to have some comprehension issues. Let me break it down to you in 5 year old speak so you don't sit and continue to ask me completely irrelevant and nonsensical bullshit questions: If I can get my hands on a SINGLE hard drive in any of the RAID scenarios I mentioned, and I can reliably scrape ANY data, then the data was not deleted in a way that is unrecoverable.

That was the point I was attempting to convey, that somehow whizzed over your head so fast you had to pull out a 5 year old post to reply to it with. Now I sit back and wait to see how the hell you can counter me with a stupid question on that one..

 

[cabri]

What court orders are these?

And only from 2 days ago :\
Link

The FBI refused to cooperate Monday with a court-ordered inquiry into former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s email server, telling the State Department that they won’t even confirm they are investigating the matter themselves, much less willing to tell the rest of the government what’s going on.

Judge Emmet G. Sullivan had ordered the State Department to talk with the FBI and see what sort of information could be recovered from Mrs. Clinton’s email server, which her lawyer has said she turned over to the Justice Department over the summer.

“At this time, consistent with long-standing Department of Justice and FBI policy, we can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing investigation, nor are we in a position to provide additional information at this time,” FBI General Counsel James A. Baker wrote in a letter dated Monday — a week after the deadline the Justice Department had set for the FBI to reply.

FBi is a department of Justice - Executive Branch.

They are "told" to provide the information to State - another branch - Executive Branch by the Court - an independent branch of the government

And they refuse.

FBI/Justice report to Obama

No wrong doing/coverup happening here:hmm:

 

[Hugo Drax]

Turn it over to whom, exactly?

To the people that requested it on day one. This would have been a non story. (If she is not hiding anything and everything was legit of course)

IF she was doing nothing illegal, no bribe talks etc.. Then there is no need to do what she did in regards to just handing over the servers untouched.

 

[ivwshane]

And only from 2 days ago :\
Link





FBi is a department of Justice - Executive Branch.

They are "told" to provide the information to State - another branch - Executive Branch by the Court - an independent branch of the government

And they refuse.

FBI/Justice report to Obama

No wrong doing/coverup happening here:hmm:

Wait so your evidence of a cover up is by pointing to actions the FBI takes on most ongoing investigations?

You have never heard the phrase, "we do not comment on ongoing investigations".

Just another case of people who are clueless how government works getting upset when they see how government works.

 

[Blackjack200]

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

 

[ivwshane]

To the people that requested it on day one. This would have been a non story. (If she is not hiding anything and everything was legit of course)

IF she was doing nothing illegal, no bribe talks etc.. Then there is no need to do what she did in regards to just handing over the servers untouched.

Ah, the old hold your opponents to a higher standard than yourself, the law, or the rules require routine.

If only clinton would have done something no one else was required to do, none of this would have been an issue.../s

 

[Hugo Drax]

Ah, the old hold your opponents to a higher standard than yourself, the law, or the rules require routine.

If only clinton would have done something no one else was required to do, none of this would have been an issue.../s

Its all about making life easier and looking transparent to the public as a public official, If she had nothing to hide, just turn the damn server over and be done with it from day one. She is a public official that was conducting public official work on her own server. There should be no reason why this mess started to begin with. Why go all Nixon, it just ends up going badly.

Now this mess follows her around all day and taints here candidacy. She should have just conducted her work using the work provided email.

 

[ivwshane]

Its all about making life easier and looking transparent to the public as a public official, If she had nothing to hide, just turn the damn server over and be done with it from day one. She is a public official that was conducting public official work on her own server. There should be no reason why this mess started to begin with. Why go all Nixon, it just ends up going badly.

Now this mess follows her around all day and taints here candidacy. She should have just conducted her work using the work provided email.

I'm sure you have the same feelings when you or family members are stopped by the police. Just tell them you were speeding and then invite them to search your car.

I take it you are a patriot act supporter as well with your, 'if you don't have anything to hide' bullshit.

 

[Jhhnn]

I liked the condescending tone at the end of his post about how professionals need to keep up with developments while linking to a forum question from 5 years ago

We use a DoD level device to erase our drives followed by a meeting with a Whitaker Bros data destroyer.. Or for shits and giggles several .223 or .308 rounds. Really neat to see how the round melts the platters as it passes through.

Yeh, I pointed out how Virge is at least 5 years behind the times. Funny that.

 

[Jhhnn]

And only from 2 days ago :\
Link





FBi is a department of Justice - Executive Branch.

They are "told" to provide the information to State - another branch - Executive Branch by the Court - an independent branch of the government

And they refuse.

FBI/Justice report to Obama

No wrong doing/coverup happening here:hmm:

All in accordance with long standing policy.

Seeing it as OMFG! Conspiracy! is entirely in keeping with the Birther/Benghazi headset, no doubt.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I'm sure you have the same feelings when you or family members are stopped by the police. Just tell them you were speeding and then invite them to search your car.

I take it you are a patriot act supporter as well with your, 'if you don't have anything to hide' bullshit.

Actually when I was once stopped by the police and they asked if they could search the car and I allowed them.

No I am not a fan of the patriot act.

But if you are a public official conducting public official work, I expect transparency not attempts to circumvent the FOIA.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is not an insult, it's a serious question that would answer a lot of very confusing actions; Do you smoke crack before you type?

The majority of what I wrote was to establish precedence for a possible scenario where they could have recovered data, which is exactly what you were asking about. In what bizarro world do you get to say stupid shit like "intact and functional retired server" like that fucking matters in any way, let alone even makes sense as a question?

Here. You seem to have some comprehension issues. Let me break it down to you in 5 year old speak so you don't sit and continue to ask me completely irrelevant and nonsensical bullshit questions: If I can get my hands on a SINGLE hard drive in any of the RAID scenarios I mentioned, and I can reliably scrape ANY data, then the data was not deleted in a way that is unrecoverable.

That was the point I was attempting to convey, that somehow whizzed over your head so fast you had to pull out a 5 year old post to reply to it with. Now I sit back and wait to see how the hell you can counter me with a stupid question on that one..

Your diversion didn't go over my head at all. It simply does not apply to the situation at hand. Clinton deleted material, then transferred the remainder to a new server. The old server was in working condition when retired & is now in the hands of the FBI. It apparently was not wiped as her detractors claimed in an effort to imply conspiracy.

Explain how what you offered applies to that at all. It doesn't. Data recovery techniques used on failed drives are immaterial because there are no failed drives to deal with.

 

[ivwshane]

Actually when I was once stopped by the police and they asked if they could search the car and I allowed them.

No I am not a fan of the patriot act.

But if you are a public official conducting public official work, I expect transparency not attempts to circumvent the FOIA.

No, you aren't getting it. You didn't make things easier by offering to let them search your car like you want hilary to do, you waited until you were asked and then you let them, just like Hilary did.

Your expectations of a public official is just that, YOURS and they mean exactly jack shit to someone who not only doesn't know you but who also already has been given rules and regulations that they must follow.

So I'll repeat myself, you wish to hold clinton to a standard no one else was held to. Did you contact clinton when she was in the state department with YOUR expectations? No? So now not only do you want to hold her to a standard no one else was held to but you also want to place blame on her for not following a policy she wasn't even aware of!

Is that rational in your mind?


Edit:
I missed your line about FOIA requests. As has already been explained in this thread, not only are FOIA requests valid only for government work related things but also federal officials were the ones allowed to determine what is or isn't government work related.
Did you miss this clarification in this thread?

 

[Hugo Drax]

Why are you insisting on protecting politicians trying to play shady games. We need more transparency not nixon type politicians.

She refused to turn over her server, it's cut and dry. Sorry but if you conduct work related activity on a private server you need to turn it in when asked without anything deleted from it. I expect all public officials to comply.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-deleted-32000-private-emails-refus/?page=all

 

[Pens1566]

Lol, citing the "Daily Moonie".

 

[Jhhnn]

Why are you insisting on protecting politicians trying to play shady games. We need more transparency not nixon type politicians.

She refused to turn over her server, it's cut and dry. Sorry but if you conduct work related activity on a private server you need to turn it in when asked without anything deleted from it. I expect all public officials to comply.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-deleted-32000-private-emails-refus/?page=all

Except that the DoJ & State Dept say otherwise.

YOU expect? Really?

Lemme see... Where does Hugo Drax fall in the hierarchy of establishing govt policy... I found it... right under some whale shit at the bottom of the ocean.

 

[ivwshane]

Why are you insisting on protecting politicians trying to play shady games. We need more transparency not nixon type politicians.

She refused to turn over her server, it's cut and dry. Sorry but if you conduct work related activity on a private server you need to turn it in when asked without anything deleted from it. I expect all public officials to comply.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-deleted-32000-private-emails-refus/?page=all

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall. Anyone else want to try? Maybe you could better explain to him the difference between his expectations and the expectations, rules, and laws people who he has no relationship with (professional relationship of course) actually have to follow.

Maybe someone can come up with an analogy to give him a better picture of what he's doing. Maybe something like holding our founding fathers to today's standards and morals. I doubt it will work though he probably isn't capable of understanding how not holding our forefathers to today's standards doesn't mean we can't advocate for better standards now and even support laws, rules, etc that holds all future politicians to a higher standard.

Nah, that's probably too deep of a concept for him to get.

Good luck!

 

[cabri]

Wait so your evidence of a cover up is by pointing to actions the FBI takes on most ongoing investigations?

You have never heard the phrase, "we do not comment on ongoing investigations".

Just another case of people who are clueless how government works getting upset when they see how government works.

The courts ordered tge FBI to report a Yea/No

Congree has also requested a Yes/No

Both are the bosses of the FBI.

DoJ could challenge the orders, but they did not. They ignored them. Nothing went to the Court of Appeals or the SCOTUS.

Democrats complained that previous Republican administrations ignored court/congressional orders, yet they seem to be OK with Obama doing so.


As long as the FBI can issue the disclaimer, then the public will never learn the truth.

They are blocking investigations by other branches of government :thumbsdown:

 

[Jhhnn]

The courts ordered tge FBI to report a Yea/No

Congree has also requested a Yes/No

Both are the bosses of the FBI.

DoJ could challenge the orders, but they did not. They ignored them. Nothing went to the Court of Appeals or the SCOTUS.

Democrats complained that previous Republican administrations ignored court/congressional orders, yet they seem to be OK with Obama doing so.


As long as the FBI can issue the disclaimer, then the public will never learn the truth.

They are blocking investigations by other branches of government :thumbsdown:

Both the courts & Congress know full well that they'll get nothing from the FBI concerning an active investigation. They've known it all along from past experience in entirely unrelated matters. It's always been that way, rightfully so.

The court makes the demand so that they'll get the information (if appropriate) when the FBI concludes their investigation. The judge knew it when he issued the order which is just pro forma on his part. Congress makes the demand so that they can turn it into Bengazi.

And conspiracy ravers try to make it into more than it is.

 

[werepossum]

When it comes to party politics you most certainly are living in a bubble. When it comes to social issues, that's when you step outside of your bubble.

In the Ahmed story you took an unbiased approach and haven't taken a side, so when conspiracy theories are trotted in front of you, you can see them for what they are.

For whatever reason you are completely incapable of doing that when it comes to politics, especially if it involved major players. Not only do you, for some unknown reason, NOT see when conspiracy theories are being trotted out in front of you but you actively participate in creating your own conspiracy theories. You are blinded by your hate of anything that doesn't have an "R" after it's name or anything to the left of center.

You are an odd case, most people are usually always irrational or always logical when it comes to topics on P&N and yet you can be either but never both during a topic discussion and it's always the same side of the coin depending on the topic of course.

To prove this, come up with a rational reason why, if the DoJ found something damning they would ignore it or brush it under the table. Now keep in mind, the DoJ isn't a single person but a department with possible hundreds if not thousands that might be working on this investigation in some way or another.

An easier way to say that same thing would be "Agree with me or be insanely wrong".

I generally agree with the Democrats on the environment. Is that a social issue? I generally agree with the Democrats on tax cuts as a stimulus not paying for themselves. Is that a social issue? I generally agree with the Democrats on regulating powerful institutions within the free market. Is that a social issue?

The DoJ serves at the pleasure of the President; it is a thoroughly political tool when investigating political figures. In addition, the rank and file DoJ know the Pubbies have no interest in prosecuting the Hildabeast, only in using her misdeeds politically. Prosecuting her would set precedent that could be used against them when they are in power. There is literally no powerful person or group in D.C. who is legitimately interested in actual charges being brought. As far as the investigation itself, if Obama ignores this then he takes a political hit. However, he can safely continue investigating this until he leaves office.

The DoJ is a political foil.

They choose who/what they desire to investigate/prosecute based on their political masters.

This has been shown in this and previous administrations from both political parties.

Enough information has already been released to show that things are not as professed; political or not.

But when the DoJ and State refuse to comply with court orders; it indicates a serious intent to prevent information from being available to the public.

Pretty much. Although I have my doubts that the DoJ prosecutes any powerful political figure for anything less than personal graft. And that's only for those not savvy enough to create a not-for-profit foundation.

What's bullshit is quite literally everything you write. Since you've showed a rather appalling lack of technical understanding for someone on a tech forum, allow me to educate you a bit.

I am self employed and routinely take jobs for digital forensics, which frequently involves classified data. The most likely scenario in this case is that the server was designed with rudimentary redundancy (either RAID1 bare minimum or RAID5/6/1+0 if the sysadmin was worth a shit). Unless a 3+ 0-pass delete was run on each HDD individually, it would be very trivial for me to recover the data from the array and/or drives by simply mimicking the controller hardware. I generally virtualize this and can virtualize hundreds of different firmware heads if needed, even going so far as scraping the identifier data for the controller from the drives MBR's as needed.

Bottom line is if they can recover ANY data from the "deleted" storage of the server in question it was likely deleted in a fashion where an 8 year old with the right software could recover it.

Dude, you are trying to educate a bot. The most you'll ever get back are tabulated DNC responses and links which contain the same keywords you use.

 

[MongGrel]

How the fuck this thread ever get this long ?

 

[Genx87]

I'm sure you have the same feelings when you or family members are stopped by the police. Just tell them you were speeding and then invite them to search your car.

I take it you are a patriot act supporter as well with your, 'if you don't have anything to hide' bullshit.

You have to understand a public official doing public work is different than a private citizen. I hope?

 

[Bowfinger]

The courts ordered tge FBI to report a Yea/No ...

I've not read the actual court order, but according to the article you quoted, that's incorrect. Judge Sullivan didn't order the FBI to do anything. Instead, he ordered the State Department to talk to the FBI. They did. The FBI declined to provide information, citing its policy regarding active investigations.