Clinton to hand over email server to FBI

[Jhhnn]

All Clinton had to do is turn over the servers untouched right from day one. This would have never festered into the mess it is today for her.

Turn it over to whom, exactly?

 

[cabri]

All Clinton had to do is turn over the servers untouched right from day one. This would have never festered into the mess it is today for her.

Turn it over to whom, exactly?

The same people that she released the paper to^_^

 

[Jhhnn]

The same people that she released the paper to^_^

That's not an answer- it's a deflection.

 

[theeedude]

Now the FBI will get a chance to look at it, and we'll see if they find anything. I doubt it.
If she wanted to wipe something, she would have wiped it, not just hit delete.

 

[cabri]

All Clinton had to do is turn over the servers untouched right from day one. This would have never festered into the mess it is today for her.

Turn it over to whom, exactly?

The same people that she released the paper to^_^

That's not an answer- it's a deflection.

Given your comprehension

S T A T E for review of the information to ensure that ALL government related information was properly archived.

And giving the missing emails from what was turned over to State; apparently they were not; again in violation of Federal statues.

 

[cabri]

Now the FBI will get a chance to look at it, and we'll see if they find anything. I doubt it.
If she wanted to wipe something, she would have wiped it, not just hit delete.

Statements are already coming out of the investigation that they are finding more information from the "wiped" server.

And if she can not even properly wipe the server; how can she have properly secured the server as required?

 

[Jhhnn]

Given your comprehension

S T A T E for review of the information to ensure that ALL government related information was properly archived.

And giving the missing emails from what was turned over to State; apparently they were not; again in violation of Federal statues.

Both the State Dept & the DoJ assert that federal employees have the right to delete emails as they see fit. That's been established much earlier in this thread but you base your argument on the notion that they do not.

It's the standard right wing argument format- assert falsehood as truth- when questioned, merely re-assert as if it were true in the first place. Add obfuscation when necessary. Repeat ad nauseum.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol! The troops are rallying. This should result in more fun! I can't wait to see how the righties extend this issue even more.

 

[Jhhnn]

Statements are already coming out of the investigation that they are finding more information from the "wiped" server.

And if she can not even properly wipe the server; how can she have properly secured the server as required?

Who claimed that the server had been wiped in the first place?

How would the FBI be able to "easily" recover deletions if it had been?

Of course they're recovering more vaguely defined "information"- the stuff Clinton rightfully deleted as personal likely being the extent of it.

I hope you realize that none of what the FBI recovers beyond what's already being released will ever be made public unless some criminal case is established. Reference DoJ & State Dept rules about deletion of private emails from any system.

It's all bullshit, of course, following the principle that he who yells loudest wins the argument. I'm eagerly awaiting the conclusion of the FBI probe into the matter. In all likelihood they'll discover diddly & squat which will just mean that True Believers will conclude that they're part of the massive conspiracy.

 

[cabri]

Both the State Dept & the DoJ assert that federal employees have the right to delete emails as they see fit. That's been established much earlier in this thread but you base your argument on the notion that they do not.

It's the standard right wing argument format- assert falsehood as truth- when questioned, merely re-assert as if it were true in the first place. Add obfuscation when necessary. Repeat ad nauseum.

Personal emails - Yes
Not government related emails.

And there are backups of government emails incase information needs to be recovered.

Clinton has not provided any backups.

Repeated ad nauseum

 

[cabri]

Who claimed that the server had been wiped in the first place?

How would the FBI be able to "easily" recover deletions if it had been?

Of course they're recovering more vaguely defined "information"- the stuff Clinton rightfully deleted as personal likely being the extent of it.

I hope you realize that none of what the FBI recovers beyond what's already being released will ever be made public unless some criminal case is established. Reference DoJ & State Dept rules about deletion of private emails from any system.

It's all bullshit, of course, following the principle that he who yells loudest wins the argument. I'm eagerly awaiting the conclusion of the FBI probe into the matter. In all likelihood they'll discover diddly & squat which will just mean that True Believers will conclude that they're part of the massive conspiracy.

Given that the FBI is already defying court orders, I will agree; nothing will come of it.

Any criminal case will be shut off immediately.
And when information of such is leaked, it will be claimed as political.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol, sensing trouble cabri prepares for the inevitable and lays the foundation for what will be his defense when, once again, nothing comes out of this benghazi investigation.

Made all the more funny by the predictions of two posters made just a couple of posts prior.


Put on your seatbelts folks the spinning is about to begin!

 

[werepossum]

You may be taking my use of the word "we" a bit too literally but personally, I'm hoping for gobs and gobs of redaction's. They only do that with the secret shit so it would be further proof that classified information was on her server.

What's curious though is why we would need more proof. That's sarcasm because it's not curious at all.

Nope. The Obama-led DoJ is not going to hurt Hillary any more than necessary to avoid hurting Obama. Those redactions - if they ever leak - will simply be proof that they were all personal. "Hey, did you hear about the big sale on sandals at Benghazi's? Below is a long list of the personal information of everyone who might be interested in this shoe sale." See? All innocent and personal.

All Clinton had to do is turn over the servers untouched right from day one. This would have never festered into the mess it is today for her.

Pretty much. Had she deleted only the very worst or most damaging, likely no one would ever have looked for more.

Given that the FBI is already defying court orders, I will agree; nothing will come of it.

Any criminal case will be shut off immediately.
And when information of such is leaked, it will be claimed as political.

Yup. Since the Dems are on board with their leaders doing literally anything they wish, Obama has no need to do anything more than be seen to investigate.

 

[ivwshane]

Bubble fortified!

 

[werepossum]

lol Yes, clearly I, who agree with the left maybe 40% of the time, am living in a bubble whereas you, who agree with the very far left 1000% of the time are a free range idiot.

 

[Moonbeam]

lol Yes, clearly I, who agree with the left maybe 40% of the time, am living in a bubble whereas you, who agree with the very far left 1000% of the time are a free range idiot.

You have a 100% chance of being full of shit on your opinion of him since you're in 60% territory on this issue.

 

[ivwshane]

Stupid phone

 

[ivwshane]

lol Yes, clearly I, who agree with the left maybe 40% of the time, am living in a bubble whereas you, who agree with the very far left 1000% of the time are a free range idiot.

When it comes to party politics you most certainly are living in a bubble. When it comes to social issues, that's when you step outside of your bubble.

In the Ahmed story you took an unbiased approach and haven't taken a side, so when conspiracy theories are trotted in front of you, you can see them for what they are.

For whatever reason you are completely incapable of doing that when it comes to politics, especially if it involved major players. Not only do you, for some unknown reason, NOT see when conspiracy theories are being trotted out in front of you but you actively participate in creating your own conspiracy theories. You are blinded by your hate of anything that doesn't have an "R" after it's name or anything to the left of center.

You are an odd case, most people are usually always irrational or always logical when it comes to topics on P&N and yet you can be either but never both during a topic discussion and it's always the same side of the coin depending on the topic of course.

To prove this, come up with a rational reason why, if the DoJ found something damning they would ignore it or brush it under the table. Now keep in mind, the DoJ isn't a single person but a department with possible hundreds if not thousands that might be working on this investigation in some way or another.

 

[cabri]

When it comes to party politics you most certainly are living in a bubble. When it comes to social issues, that's when you step outside of your bubble.

In the Ahmed story you took an unbiased approach and haven't taken a side, so when conspiracy theories are trotted in front of you, you can see them for what they are.

For whatever reason you are completely incapable of doing that when it comes to politics, especially if it involved major players. Not only do you, for some unknown reason, NOT see when conspiracy theories are being trotted out in front of you but you actively participate in creating your own conspiracy theories. You are blinded by your hate of anything that doesn't have an "R" after it's name or anything to the left of center.

You are an odd case, most people are usually always irrational or always logical when it comes to topics on P&N and yet you can be either but never both during a topic discussion and it's always the same side of the coin depending on the topic of course.

To prove this, come up with a rational reason why, if the DoJ found something damning they would ignore it or brush it under the table. Now keep in mind, the DoJ isn't a single person but a department with possible hundreds if not thousands that might be working on this investigation in some way or another.

The DoJ is a political foil.

They choose who/what they desire to investigate/prosecute based on their political masters.

This has been shown in this and previous administrations from both political parties.

Enough information has already been released to show that things are not as professed; political or not.

But when the DoJ and State refuse to comply with court orders; it indicates a serious intent to prevent information from being available to the public.

 

[Jhhnn]

Personal emails - Yes
Not government related emails.

And there are backups of government emails incase information needs to be recovered.

Clinton has not provided any backups.

Repeated ad nauseum

And more circling back to unproven assertions about backups & how the State dept manages them while denying that the DoJ & State Dept basically grant unrestricted deletions. Hillary & her predecessors have all massaged the official record for PR purposes.

And, yes, you're repeating ad nauseum.

I do love the hidden accusation in the notion that information would somehow need to be recovered. That would only apply if criminal charges are leveled & the chances of that are near zero. You're crossing bridges before you come to them- imaginary bridges of wishful thinking.

 

[ivwshane]

The DoJ is a political foil.

They choose who/what they desire to investigate/prosecute based on their political masters.

This has been shown in this and previous administrations from both political parties.

Enough information has already been released to show that things are not as professed; political or not.

But when the DoJ and State refuse to comply with court orders; it indicates a serious intent to prevent information from being available to the public.

What court orders are these?

 

[Virge_]

Who claimed that the server had been wiped in the first place?

How would the FBI be able to "easily" recover deletions if it had been?

**edited out various nonsensical ravings of a lunatic**

It's all bullshit, of course, following the principle that he who yells loudest wins the argument. I'm eagerly awaiting the conclusion of the FBI probe into the matter. In all likelihood they'll discover diddly & squat which will just mean that True Believers will conclude that they're part of the massive conspiracy.

What's bullshit is quite literally everything you write. Since you've showed a rather appalling lack of technical understanding for someone on a tech forum, allow me to educate you a bit.

I am self employed and routinely take jobs for digital forensics, which frequently involves classified data. The most likely scenario in this case is that the server was designed with rudimentary redundancy (either RAID1 bare minimum or RAID5/6/1+0 if the sysadmin was worth a shit). Unless a 3+ 0-pass delete was run on each HDD individually, it would be very trivial for me to recover the data from the array and/or drives by simply mimicking the controller hardware. I generally virtualize this and can virtualize hundreds of different firmware heads if needed, even going so far as scraping the identifier data for the controller from the drives MBR's as needed.

Bottom line is if they can recover ANY data from the "deleted" storage of the server in question it was likely deleted in a fashion where an 8 year old with the right software could recover it.

 

[Jhhnn]

The DoJ is a political foil.

They choose who/what they desire to investigate/prosecute based on their political masters.

This has been shown in this and previous administrations from both political parties.

Enough information has already been released to show that things are not as professed; political or not.

But when the DoJ and State refuse to comply with court orders; it indicates a serious intent to prevent information from being available to the public.

Oh, God! The conspiracy is bigger than we imagined!

Or likely not. If the DoJ were merely a tool of their political masters they likely wouldn't be investigating this at all.

 

[Jhhnn]

What's bullshit is quite literally everything you write. Since you've showed a rather appalling lack of technical understanding for someone on a tech forum, allow me to educate you a bit.

I am self employed and routinely take jobs for digital forensics, which frequently involves classified data. The most likely scenario in this case is that the server was designed with rudimentary redundancy (either RAID1 bare minimum or RAID5/6/1+0 if the sysadmin was worth a shit). Unless a 3+ 0-pass delete was run on each HDD individually, it would be very trivial for me to recover the data from the array and/or drives by simply mimicking the controller hardware. I generally virtualize this and can virtualize hundreds of different firmware heads if needed, even going so far as scraping the identifier data for the controller from the drives MBR's as needed.

Bottom line is if they can recover ANY data from the "deleted" storage of the server in question it was likely deleted in a fashion where an 8 year old with the right software could recover it.

So you agree with me that the data was merely deleted rather than the server being wiped, correct?

What happened to the Oh God! They wiped the drive! hysteria?

You seem to be a bit behind the curve as to what it takes to actually wipe RAID volumes, anyway-

https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/85722-dban-the-drives-connected-to-a-raid-controller

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1119959

Professionals really need to keep up with developments in their field.

 

[Virge_]

It's somewhat hilarious to me that you just attempted to school me on wiping individual hard drives by linking to a bunch of articles for using DBAN on Linux systems. In the scenario I referenced you don't have access to the server, just the drives themselves - which is why you need to emulate the controller.

Christ, you're so fucking retarded college kids should use your posts as drinking games to get drunk at parties. Take a shot for everything you say that is completely irrelevant to the point you're trying to debunk.

Oh.. wait, never-mind. I get it. You're just trying to confuse and deflect. On second thought, carry on as usual, your ignorance is an endless source of (somewhat pity-driven) amusement.