Clinton Supporters Vote McCain, hype or growing DNC concern

lupi

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And now for the rest of the story.


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- While Sen. Hillary Clinton was endorsing Sen. Barack Obama, some of those weighing in on her campaign Web site were less willing to concede.

Sen. Hillary Clinton has endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, but some supporters are not willing to embrace him.

As Clinton wrapped up her remarks Saturday in Washington with a plea for supporters to work "as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me," many were posting messages saying they would never vote for the presumptive Democratic nominee. A few even called on her backers to visit Sen. John McCain's campaign Web site.

"I love her and will vote for her in 2012, but it's McCain all the way now," wrote one within moments of the New York senator's address.

Whether that sort of statement signals a defection to the presumptive Republican nominee, a voter less likely to make it to the polls on Election Day or just a bit of low-grade, post-primary grumbling -- it's the sort of sentiment that makes for a nagging, low-grade anxiety among nervous Democrats and brings a gleam to the eye of McCain.

As Democratic leaders met last month and decided to seat Florida and Michigan at half strength at the convention, angry Clinton supporters who had backed her plea for the seating of full delegations from both states began to chant, "Let's go, McCain!"

And as Clinton's presidential bid wound down, some of her loudest supporters began insisting they would consider voting for McCain if she were not the Democratic nominee.

A newly released CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that if Obama does not select Clinton as his running mate, 22 percent of her supporters would stay home this fall -- and another 17 percent would vote for McCain.

"That's just one estimate of the 'Clinton factor,' and it may not be an accurate predictor since it piles several hypotheticals on top of each other and asks people to guess their state of mind five months from now," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.

"Nonetheless, it does indicate that unmotivated Clinton supporters may be a bigger risk to Obama than defections from the Clinton camp to McCain."

The numbers haven't gone unnoticed at McCain campaign headquarters in Arlington, Virginia. In the days since Obama effectively claimed the Democratic nomination, the senator from Arizona's campaign has aggressively reached out to Clinton supporters -- women and blue-collar voters who were the strongest supporters of her presidential bid.

A few hours after her speech -- which was free of attacks on Obama's fall opponent -- McCain aide Michael Goldfarb wrote on the campaign's official blog that "there is a genuine affection for her here at McCain HQ. During her speech there was no small amount of pleading with the TV: 'Don't do it, you can still win!' "

"Sen. Clinton has really grown on us over here in Crystal City over the past few months," wrote Goldfarb, calling her an "impressive candidate" who "inspired a generation of women" but "fell victim to a vast left-wing conspiracy that resented her generally centrist foreign policy views."

And one of the first posts on the newly launched blog was a video of Abba's "Take a Chance on Me" under the headline, "Take a Chance on McCain." Wrote Goldfarb: "Attention disaffected Hillary supporters, John McCain is a huge Abba fan. Seriously.''

McCain's maverick reputation has always translated into significant support from independent voters, but the diminished appeal of the GOP brand this year may translate into a weaker showing. Despite emotions still raw from the bruising Democratic primary, an appeal to Clinton voters could be a tough sell for the Republican.

But McCain and his campaign have made bold moves in recent weeks to distance the senator from President Bush and the Republican Party, and redirect the focus to his independent image -- essential in his effort to reach disaffected Clinton voters.

McCain adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin blasted the president's handling of the economy, and campaign manager Rick Davis said the battered image of the national Republican Party made for an uphill climb for its presidential nominee.

McCain aides see an opportunity in Obama's struggle to connect with white working-class voters.

The campaign has assembled focus groups in Democratic areas where Obama struggled this spring to gauge McCain's potential appeal among, and best approach to, this demographic -- particularly those most angered by Clinton's loss. A campaign tour directed at these voters also is being planned.

The day after Obama claimed the nomination, McCain said, "There's a lot of Sen. Clinton supporters who would support me because of their belief that Sen. Obama does not have the experience or the knowledge or the judgment to address this nation's national security challenges."

McCain was more effusive in his praise of Clinton at a Louisiana campaign event Wednesday as her campaign revealed she would be ending her run in a matter of days. "As the father of three daughters, I owe her a debt for inspiring millions of women to believe there is no opportunity in this great country beyond their reach. I am proud to call her my friend," he said.

Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut -- who has taken on increasingly high profile campaign roles on McCain's behalf -- announced Thursday that he was heading a new grass-roots organization, Citizens for McCain, with a direct appeal to Clinton's disappointed supporters.

In a message sent to the Arizonan's supporters after news broke that Clinton was suspending her run, the Democrat-turned-independent highlighted McCain's "very good working relationship with Sen. Clinton."

"The phones at the campaign headquarters have been ringing with disaffected Democrats calling to say they believe Sen. McCain has the experience, judgment, and bipartisanship necessary to lead our country in these difficult times," Lieberman wrote. "Many of these supporters are former supporters of Sen. Clinton."

He called on supporters to "reach out to Americans who are not currently involved in the campaign. Will you help us by recruiting your friends, family, and co-workers who may not consider themselves members of the Republican Party and ask them to join the Citizens for McCain organization?"






Some of the arguments against state the time between the primary season and GE will lessen the effect, but in what is to be a hotly contested election and ads already running, how much of a between season let down will there be? And even if a large number don't actively vote for McCain, isn't the number saying they will stay home just as bothersome?

 

nageov3t

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I think the vast majority of these little ladies will come back into the fold... the bigger concern is probably more their staying home if they're not energized about Obama, but I doubt it'll stop the hope train.
 

Robor

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"I love her and will vote for her in 2012, but it's McCain all the way now," wrote one within moments of the New York senator's address.

Newsflash: There is no 'Hillary 2012'. This was her shot and she lost. She selfishly dragged this primary out for months with no chance of winning and in the process has created the divide you now see in the party. If the (D)'s lose this November the Clinton name will be mud.
 

Vic

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It's a bunch a FUD spread mostly by long-time Republican/McCain supporters who spent a couple months masquerading as Clinton supporters (see Larry C. Johnson). Classic disinformation/divide and conquer tactic.

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Vic
It's a bunch a FUD spread mostly by long-time Republican/McCain supporters who spent a couple months masquerading as Clinton supporters (see Larry C. Johnson). Classic disinformation/divide and conquer tactic.

Yup, and to prevent any disgruntled Conservatives from even looking into Obama. "I mean, if Clinton fans won't even vote for him...."
 

Deeko

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It's hype, those that are being stupid and saying they'll vote McCain will change their tune by November...all they need to see is one debate, maybe that will open their eyes a little bit.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I think the vast majority of these little ladies will come back into the fold... the bigger concern is probably more their staying home if they're not energized about Obama, but I doubt it'll stop the hope train.

I agree, I think it's silly to think that any significant number of people rated the candidates "1: Clinton, 2: McCain, 3: Obama"...certainly not folks who started out on Hillary's side. Her supporters are kind of pissed, but now that the Democratic fight is over, those folks are going to take a good hard look at the two alternatives...and I doubt ANY of them will think McCain is a good second choice if you liked Hillary. I'm not saying he's a terrible guy or anything, but other than not being Obama, what do the two really have in common?

I also think that Clinton supporters staying home, while MORE likely, isn't worth losing a lot of sleep over. The problem with "staying home" is that it only really works if you don't care about the outcome, and while Clinton supporters may be disappointed that their candidate isn't going to be President, I think they, like most Democrats, are pissed off at the Republicans and their feelings about another Republican president would not be described as ambivalent. McCain might not be GWB, but he's close enough for a lot of people.
 

mshan

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I can't find the link over at http://www.fivethirtyeight.com, but there was a blog entry stating that right now about 20% of Clinton supporters would cross over and vote for McCain.

Blog entry said that 10 - 12% was historic norm, and if Obama can get that number down to 15%, he would be in a more comfortable electoral position in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

I suspect that Clinton has probably done more damage to Obama than anything the RNC / 527 can throw at him going forward.

 

Jhhnn

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I'll agree with Vic- this is just more of the fifth column masquerade staged by repubs to make Clinton the nominee- reference Limbaugh's call to the faithful in the primaries...

They really, really wanted Clinton to be the nominee- they spent 15 years nurturing Hillary-hate, now wasted effort.

So they'll just flip it over, rave on with a basic FUD campaign...

Pretty obvious, given who keeps bringing up the subject ad nauseum...

Some of it, I suspect, is just wishful thinking, denial, whistling in the dark...

With any luck at all, repubs will receive the epic ass-kicking they so richly deserve.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Czar
These people?
http://www.videosift.com/video...st-Idiots-in-Existence

pfff, sad excuse

Wait, there's a Vice President vote?

there is.

the convention doesn't "have" to nominate the presidential nominee's pick, and afaik, you can vote for president and vice president independently (so you could theoretically have a situation where one party's P gets elected and the other party's VP gets it, not that it'd ever happen)
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Czar
These people?
http://www.videosift.com/video...st-Idiots-in-Existence

pfff, sad excuse

Wait, there's a Vice President vote?

there is.

the convention doesn't "have" to nominate the presidential nominee's pick, and afaik, you can vote for president and vice president independently (so you could theoretically have a situation where one party's P gets elected and the other party's VP gets it, not that it'd ever happen)
This was an option way back when. Now, the Pres & VP are selected as a pair - no cross matching allowed.

 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Czar
These people?
http://www.videosift.com/video...st-Idiots-in-Existence

pfff, sad excuse

Wait, there's a Vice President vote?

there is.

the convention doesn't "have" to nominate the presidential nominee's pick, and afaik, you can vote for president and vice president independently (so you could theoretically have a situation where one party's P gets elected and the other party's VP gets it, not that it'd ever happen)

OMG. So you're saying there's still hope?

OMG. You just made my day. I'm jumping up and down right now :)
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Czar
These people?
http://www.videosift.com/video...st-Idiots-in-Existence

pfff, sad excuse

Wait, there's a Vice President vote?

there is.

the convention doesn't "have" to nominate the presidential nominee's pick, and afaik, you can vote for president and vice president independently (so you could theoretically have a situation where one party's P gets elected and the other party's VP gets it, not that it'd ever happen)

OMG. So you're saying there's still hope?

OMG. You just made my day. I'm jumping up and down right now :)

:confused:
 

jjzelinski

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Czar
These people?
http://www.videosift.com/video...st-Idiots-in-Existence

pfff, sad excuse

Wait, there's a Vice President vote?

there is.

the convention doesn't "have" to nominate the presidential nominee's pick, and afaik, you can vote for president and vice president independently (so you could theoretically have a situation where one party's P gets elected and the other party's VP gets it, not that it'd ever happen)

OMG. So you're saying there's still hope?

OMG. You just made my day. I'm jumping up and down right now :)

:confused:

He's just being a drama queen, but it seems to suit him nicely

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I'll agree with Vic- this is just more of the fifth column masquerade staged by repubs to make Clinton the nominee- reference Limbaugh's call to the faithful in the primaries...

It seems so absurd that ANY woman would vote for McCain before Obama that I can't help but wonder if this is a somewhat manufactured divide. Of course the scale of the effort might make it an absurd notion, but we're talking about the same people who convinced our populace that a decorated war hero was a sniveling coward and our president was some kind of viatnam war machine. In fact it's probably the same ad company that sunk McCains first shot at the presidency with rumors of his fathering an "illegitimate black child." :roll:
 

jpeyton

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I read a winning analogy on a website.

These Democratic turn-coats are akin to your angry ex-girlfriend, putting on their sluttiest dress and revenge-f**king the greasiest white-haired Bush clone at the local GOP dive bar.

Blinded by emotion. They'll wake up on November 5th next to a wrinkled old man, full of regret and unable to justify their actions.
 

trenchfoot

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even if staying home is the option alot of hillary supporters will select, this number will still pale in comparison to the number of repubs that will stay home because of mccain.
 

Thump553

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It really will come down to how much Hillary's support was based on a cult of personality or people who really supported her positions. If they actually supported what Hillary Clinton professed and believed in, then they will be on board for Obama in November.

As a former Clinton supporter changed to Obama earlier this year, I don't think I am saying anything startling by pointing out that the differences between Hillary Clinton's platform and Obama's was pretty much a matter of small nuances.
 

b0mbrman

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Um...I was poking around John McCain's website -- for obvious reasons ;) -- and found this.

From JohnMcCain.com

Human Dignity and the Sanctity of Life

Overturning Roe v. Wade


John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion....

This may be a pretty tough pill for me to swallow :eek:
 

lupi

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We still have hope!

OKLAHOMA CITY ? Democratic Rep. Dan Boren of Oklahoma said Tuesday Barack Obama is ?the most liberal senator? in Congress and he has no intention of endorsing him for the White House.

However, Boren will vote for Obama at the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August and will vote Democratic on Nov. 4.

?I think this is an important time for our country,? Boren said in a telephone interview. ?We?re facing a terrible economic downturn. We have high gasoline prices. We have problems in our foreign policy. That?s why I think it?s important.?

Boren, the lone Democrat in Oklahoma?s congressional delegation, said that while Obama has talked about working with Republicans, ?unfortunately, his record does not reflect working in a bipartisan fashion.?

Boren, a self-described centrist, is seeking a third term this year in a mostly rural district that stretches across eastern Oklahoma.

?We?re much more conservative,? Boren said of district. ?I?ve got to reflect my district. No one means more to me than the people who elected me. I have to listen them.? He called Obama ?the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate.?

Hillary Rodham Clinton carried Boren?s district with 66 percent of the vote in the state?s presidential primary in February.

Boren said his endorsement became a moot point when Clinton suspended her campaign, making Obama the presumed nominee. But he said it will be a historic moment for the nation when the party nominates Obama, who would be the first black president if elected.

?I celebrate it,? Boren said. ?It?s a testament to the Democratic Party.?

In April, Boren?s father, former governor, one-time senator and current University of Oklahoma President David Boren, announced his support for Obama.

Jen Psaki, a spokeswoman for Obama, said the congressman had ?his facts wrong.? She said Obama, as a member of the Illinois Senate, worked with Republicans to provide health care for people who didn?t have it and, in Washington, has worked with Boren?s Republican colleague, Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, to make government more accountable and open.

?Senator Obama appreciates the support of Dan Boren?s father,? Psaki said
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: lupi
We still have hope!

OKLAHOMA CITY ? Democratic Rep. Dan Boren of Oklahoma said Tuesday Barack Obama is ?the most liberal senator? in Congress and he has no intention of endorsing him for the White House.

However, Boren will vote for Obama at the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August and will vote Democratic on Nov. 4.

?I think this is an important time for our country,? Boren said in a telephone interview. ?We?re facing a terrible economic downturn. We have high gasoline prices. We have problems in our foreign policy. That?s why I think it?s important.?

Boren, the lone Democrat in Oklahoma?s congressional delegation, said that while Obama has talked about working with Republicans, ?unfortunately, his record does not reflect working in a bipartisan fashion.?

Boren, a self-described centrist, is seeking a third term this year in a mostly rural district that stretches across eastern Oklahoma.

?We?re much more conservative,? Boren said of district. ?I?ve got to reflect my district. No one means more to me than the people who elected me. I have to listen them.? He called Obama ?the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate.?

Hillary Rodham Clinton carried Boren?s district with 66 percent of the vote in the state?s presidential primary in February.

Boren said his endorsement became a moot point when Clinton suspended her campaign, making Obama the presumed nominee. But he said it will be a historic moment for the nation when the party nominates Obama, who would be the first black president if elected.

?I celebrate it,? Boren said. ?It?s a testament to the Democratic Party.?

In April, Boren?s father, former governor, one-time senator and current University of Oklahoma President David Boren, announced his support for Obama.

Jen Psaki, a spokeswoman for Obama, said the congressman had ?his facts wrong.? She said Obama, as a member of the Illinois Senate, worked with Republicans to provide health care for people who didn?t have it and, in Washington, has worked with Boren?s Republican colleague, Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, to make government more accountable and open.

?Senator Obama appreciates the support of Dan Boren?s father,? Psaki said

How is that hope? He is still backing Obama, and Hillary has still lost.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain

How is that hope? He is still backing Obama, and Hillary has still lost.


Democratic Rep. Dan Boren of Oklahoma said Tuesday Barack Obama is ?the most liberal senator? in Congress and he has no intention of endorsing him for the White House.


:confused:
 

sportage

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In reality there are probably 1% of mad Hillary voters that would vote Mccain.
And I think its soooo funny Mccain is playing up to these voters. And acts like he and old Hill are the best of buddies.

Fact is, Hillary is going to stump for Obama, NOT Mccain.
When that begins, those 1% will dwindle down to .01% that will actually vote Mccain.

The "Perfect" comeback would be if Hillary simply said "I respect John, but Obama is the guy I want for president".

I hope Mccain blows a ton of $$$ in ads on this .01% of mad Hillary voters.
And runs out of funds for the real game.