Clinton Rebukes Israel for Housing Announcement

[ericlp]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/world/middleeast/13diplo.html?src=me

Wow, looks like our lapdog is starting to pee inside on the carpets. Bad dog!!! Bad dog!!!

Hmmm, This ought to be interesting. I wonder if we will consider limiting our sales of arms to Israel. Looks like Obama is pissed... Seems to me Israel is use to just doing their own thing under the bush admin.

Funny how Joe the VP couldn't seem to hammer the issue home. I guess Obama had to bring out Clinton to get the message across. VP needs to grow some balls even if it means pissing off a bunch of assholes over there.

 

[Noobtastic]

Ah yes, Americans - so ignorant.

From what I understand these buildings were planned before the moratorium and thus not subject to the agreement.

The homes are situated in a primarily religiously Jewish neighborhood.

There is a major housing shortage in Jerusalem for both Jews and Arabs and denying Jews to live in Jerusalem is not simply racist but poor economics.

Guess who will be building these homes?

Palestinians.

The homes in WB are a separate issue, but the general Palestinian population overwhelmingly agrees the Jewish presence in Jerusalem is hardly threatening. In fact, many Arabs are moving to Jewish neighborhoods because the Arab ones are so chaotic and tribal.

The Pally leadership has been negotiating to negotiate and its no coincidence they declare their intent to resume "indirect talks" knowing Israel was going to follow through on the construction in the same week.

Of course, the left finds Jews living in the desert more offensive than Arabs being brainwashed to kill Jews.

edit: Let's not forget, the Palestinians rioted simply because Israel recognized the Cave of Pat. as part of Jewish heritage and thus will be maintained and renovated.

Israel has to close deal the WB because of the incitement and riots.

Palestinians and Americans knew all about Israel's announcement. Information about settlement construction is available online years before any plans are drawn up.

I knew these homes were build 3 years ago, and Israel has been more than open about them.

The Palestinians KNEW Israel was going to formally announce the construction this week, and pre-emtively said they were willing to "negotiate" merely days before the announcement.

Wow. So 1 year of stalling, demanding uniteral consessions, while the IDF protects Fatah from Hamas and removes check points and give out more work permits, and NO response.

And now, all of the sudden - the Palestinians are willing to negotiate?

BULLSHIT.

the World thinks Jews living in their capital is a threat to peace, but Palestinians inciting anti-Jewish propaganda and the occasional murder of Israelis - such the Druze Israeli soldier murdered by a US-trained Fatah security officer 3 weeks ago - is responded with silence, indifference.

Fatah was caught stealing the 20 million given to it by the US government during the elections.

But the US has not condemned the Palestinians, not once. Instead, they are given more money. The US has increased its aid to the UNRWA from 50 to 90 million, on top of the 200 million in government funding.

For what?

Meanwhile, Israel is extorted and bashed.

Fuck the UN and the USA.

Israel should reject US military aid if Americans think they can extort Israel into compromising its own national interests just so the West can appease the OIL DESPOTS.

Notice how the US has not once condemned Saudi Arabia, ever.

SA killed 8,000 in 2009 during the Yemeni insurgency, yet no cry from the left.

Israel builds a pizza hut in the WB and UN calls for sanctions.


Israel should REJECT US aid and eliminate the Palestinian leadership. Exterminate Hamas and all of its supporters. Just as the US and British forces are busy exterminating Taliban forces, killing ~3,500 every year.

It is a badge of honor to see the whole world diss Israel for daring to live in their capital.

I only wish that the West is punished for betraying the ultimate opponent of Islamic despotism in the name of oil politics. Let's see oil price sky-rocket when Israel bombs Iran and Syria.

edit: Also, the so-called settlement construction is supposed to happen for another 5 years. It was merely a standard announcement.

Obama has proven immense ignorance. Especially with his sucking up to the Muslim trolls. Now he is trying to save face, even though Biden has retracted his statement after learning that Israel's announcement was merely a formality.

This is the same Biden that said Israel should attack Iran, and that every American should stay in their homes or else they'll die of swine flu.

The way the Arabs make demands you would think they won 5 consecutive wars. Whatever they demand, Israel should do the exact opposite. Build settlements until there is no more land left for a Palestinian state.

 

[sandorski]

Ah yes, Americans - so ignorant.

From what I understand these buildings were planned before the moratorium and thus not subject to the agreement.

The homes are situated in a primarily religiously Jewish neighborhood.

There is a major housing shortage in Jerusalem for both Jews and Arabs and denying Jews to live in Jerusalem is not simply racist but poor economics.

Guess who will be building these homes?

Palestinians.

The homes in WB are a separate issue, but the general Palestinian population overwhelmingly agrees the Jewish presence in Jerusalem is hardly threatening. In fact, many Arabs are moving to Jewish neighborhoods because the Arab ones are so chaotic and tribal.

The Pally leadership has been negotiating to negotiate and its no coincidence they declare their intent to resume "indirect talks" knowing Israel was going to follow through on the construction in the same week.

Of course, the left finds Jews living in the desert more offensive than Arabs being brainwashed to kill Jews.

edit: Let's not forget, the Palestinians rioted simply because Israel recognized the Cave of Pat. as part of Jewish heritage and thus will be maintained and renovated.

Israel has to close deal the WB because of the incitement and riots.

Palestinians and Americans knew all about Israel's announcement. Information about settlement construction is available online years before any plans are drawn up.

I knew these homes were build 3 years ago, and Israel has been more than open about them.

The Palestinians KNEW Israel was going to formally announce the construction this week, and pre-emtively said they were willing to "negotiate" merely days before the announcement.

Wow. So 1 year of stalling, demanding uniteral consessions, while the IDF protects Fatah from Hamas and removes check points and give out more work permits, and NO response.

And now, all of the sudden - the Palestinians are willing to negotiate?

BULLSHIT.

the World thinks Jews living in their capital is a threat to peace, but Palestinians inciting anti-Jewish propaganda and the occasional murder of Israelis - such the Druze Israeli soldier murdered by a US-trained Fatah security officer 3 weeks ago - is responded with silence, indifference.

Fatah was caught stealing the 20 million given to it by the US government during the elections.

But the US has not condemned the Palestinians, not once. Instead, they are given more money. The US has increased its aid to the UNRWA from 50 to 90 million, on top of the 200 million in government funding.

For what?

Meanwhile, Israel is extorted and bashed.

Fuck the UN and the USA.

Israel should reject US military aid if Americans think they can extort Israel into compromising its own national interests just so the West can appease the OIL DESPOTS.

Notice how the US has not once condemned Saudi Arabia, ever.

SA killed 8,000 in 2009 during the Yemeni insurgency, yet no cry from the left.

Israel builds a pizza hut in the WB and UN calls for sanctions.


Israel should REJECT US aid and eliminate the Palestinian leadership. Exterminate Hamas and all of its supporters. Just as the US and British forces are busy exterminating Taliban forces, killing ~3,500 every year.

It is a badge of honor to see the whole world diss Israel for daring to live in their capital.

I only wish that the West is punished for betraying the ultimate opponent of Islamic despotism in the name of oil politics. Let's see oil price sky-rocket when Israel bombs Iran and Syria.

edit: Also, the so-called settlement construction is supposed to happen for another 5 years. It was merely a standard announcement.

Obama has proven immense ignorance. Especially with his sucking up to the Muslim trolls. Now he is trying to save face, even though Biden has retracted his statement after learning that Israel's announcement was merely a formality.

This is the same Biden that said Israel should attack Iran, and that every American should stay in their homes or else they'll die of swine flu.

The way the Arabs make demands you would think they won 5 consecutive wars. Whatever they demand, Israel should do the exact opposite. Build settlements until there is no more land left for a Palestinian state.

Fail

 

[jhu]

Ah yes, Americans - so ignorant.

From what I understand these buildings were planned before the moratorium and thus not subject to the agreement.

The homes are situated in a primarily religiously Jewish neighborhood.

There is a major housing shortage in Jerusalem for both Jews and Arabs and denying Jews to live in Jerusalem is not simply racist but poor economics.

Guess who will be building these homes?

Palestinians.

The homes in WB are a separate issue, but the general Palestinian population overwhelmingly agrees the Jewish presence in Jerusalem is hardly threatening. In fact, many Arabs are moving to Jewish neighborhoods because the Arab ones are so chaotic and tribal.

The Pally leadership has been negotiating to negotiate and its no coincidence they declare their intent to resume "indirect talks" knowing Israel was going to follow through on the construction in the same week.

Of course, the left finds Jews living in the desert more offensive than Arabs being brainwashed to kill Jews.

edit: Let's not forget, the Palestinians rioted simply because Israel recognized the Cave of Pat. as part of Jewish heritage and thus will be maintained and renovated.

Israel has to close deal the WB because of the incitement and riots.

Palestinians and Americans knew all about Israel's announcement. Information about settlement construction is available online years before any plans are drawn up.

I knew these homes were build 3 years ago, and Israel has been more than open about them.

The Palestinians KNEW Israel was going to formally announce the construction this week, and pre-emtively said they were willing to "negotiate" merely days before the announcement.

Wow. So 1 year of stalling, demanding uniteral consessions, while the IDF protects Fatah from Hamas and removes check points and give out more work permits, and NO response.

And now, all of the sudden - the Palestinians are willing to negotiate?

BULLSHIT.

the World thinks Jews living in their capital is a threat to peace, but Palestinians inciting anti-Jewish propaganda and the occasional murder of Israelis - such the Druze Israeli soldier murdered by a US-trained Fatah security officer 3 weeks ago - is responded with silence, indifference.

Fatah was caught stealing the 20 million given to it by the US government during the elections.

But the US has not condemned the Palestinians, not once. Instead, they are given more money. The US has increased its aid to the UNRWA from 50 to 90 million, on top of the 200 million in government funding.

For what?

Meanwhile, Israel is extorted and bashed.

Fuck the UN and the USA.

Israel should reject US military aid if Americans think they can extort Israel into compromising its own national interests just so the West can appease the OIL DESPOTS.

Notice how the US has not once condemned Saudi Arabia, ever.

SA killed 8,000 in 2009 during the Yemeni insurgency, yet no cry from the left.

Israel builds a pizza hut in the WB and UN calls for sanctions.


Israel should REJECT US aid and eliminate the Palestinian leadership. Exterminate Hamas and all of its supporters. Just as the US and British forces are busy exterminating Taliban forces, killing ~3,500 every year.

It is a badge of honor to see the whole world diss Israel for daring to live in their capital.

I only wish that the West is punished for betraying the ultimate opponent of Islamic despotism in the name of oil politics. Let's see oil price sky-rocket when Israel bombs Iran and Syria.

edit: Also, the so-called settlement construction is supposed to happen for another 5 years. It was merely a standard announcement.

Obama has proven immense ignorance. Especially with his sucking up to the Muslim trolls. Now he is trying to save face, even though Biden has retracted his statement after learning that Israel's announcement was merely a formality.

This is the same Biden that said Israel should attack Iran, and that every American should stay in their homes or else they'll die of swine flu.

The way the Arabs make demands you would think they won 5 consecutive wars. Whatever they demand, Israel should do the exact opposite. Build settlements until there is no more land left for a Palestinian state.

Quoted just to make the thread longer

 

[Narmer]

Fail

I loled at the part where he said Arabs are moving into Jewish neighborhoods in the West Banks. Arabs moving into settlements, can you believe that? lol indeed.

 

[Noobtastic]

I loled at the part where he said Arabs are moving into Jewish neighborhoods in the West Banks. Arabs moving into settlements, can you believe that? lol indeed.

Not in the West Bank, Jerusalem.

Look at the demographics.

Though 40,000+ Arabs work in the settlements, and thousands of Israeli-Arabs attend universities in the settlements.

I thought James Baker was a horrible secretary of state.

Remember when Obama and Clinton both said "Jerusalem is the undivided capital of Israel."

How quickly things can change when oil politics step in.

I am ashamed to be an American right now. Chastise our friend for living in their own house the way they want. Berating our friend in public. Making a public display of joining the enemies of our friend. I think it is obvious that the United States of America is NOT Israel's friend. Since the USA treats Israel this way, what nation on earth will trust us?

We admonish Israel for building homes in their own country, but stands by passively while the other party to the launches rockets, hurls rocks, and detonates car bombs? What complete fools we've become.

Israel is a sovereign state and should not let itself be run over by USA foreign policy.

 

[sandorski]

Not in the West Bank, Jerusalem.

Look at the demographics.

Though 40,000+ Arabs work in the settlements, and thousands of Israeli-Arabs attend universities in the settlements.

I thought James Baker was a horrible secretary of state.

Remember when Obama and Clinton both said "Jerusalem is the undivided capital of Israel."

How quickly things can change when oil politics step in.

I am ashamed to be an American right now. Chastise our friend for living in their own house the way they want. Berating our friend in public. Making a public display of joining the enemies of our friend. I think it is obvious that the United States of America is NOT Israel's friend. Since the USA treats Israel this way, what nation on earth will trust us?

We admonish Israel for building homes in their own country, but stands by passively while the other party to the launches rockets, hurls rocks, and detonates car bombs? What complete fools we've become.

Israel is a sovereign state and should not let itself be run over by USA foreign policy.

The US should stop Funding them then.

 

[Pocatello]

This isn't the first time Israel is "insulting" the US, nor the last. At least they haven't "accidentally" attacked our ships in the area, yet.

 

[Zebo]

Bunch of pussies scared of muslims who just as soon cut your throat as look at you

 

[ranmaniac]

Ah yes, Americans - so ignorant.

From what I understand these buildings were planned before the moratorium and thus not subject to the agreement.

The homes are situated in a primarily religiously Jewish neighborhood.

There is a major housing shortage in Jerusalem for both Jews and Arabs and denying Jews to live in Jerusalem is not simply racist but poor economics.

Guess who will be building these homes?

Palestinians.

The homes in WB are a separate issue, but the general Palestinian population overwhelmingly agrees the Jewish presence in Jerusalem is hardly threatening. In fact, many Arabs are moving to Jewish neighborhoods because the Arab ones are so chaotic and tribal.

The Pally leadership has been negotiating to negotiate and its no coincidence they declare their intent to resume "indirect talks" knowing Israel was going to follow through on the construction in the same week.

Of course, the left finds Jews living in the desert more offensive than Arabs being brainwashed to kill Jews.

edit: Let's not forget, the Palestinians rioted simply because Israel recognized the Cave of Pat. as part of Jewish heritage and thus will be maintained and renovated.

Israel has to close deal the WB because of the incitement and riots.

Palestinians and Americans knew all about Israel's announcement. Information about settlement construction is available online years before any plans are drawn up.

I knew these homes were build 3 years ago, and Israel has been more than open about them.

The Palestinians KNEW Israel was going to formally announce the construction this week, and pre-emtively said they were willing to "negotiate" merely days before the announcement.

Wow. So 1 year of stalling, demanding uniteral consessions, while the IDF protects Fatah from Hamas and removes check points and give out more work permits, and NO response.

And now, all of the sudden - the Palestinians are willing to negotiate?

BULLSHIT.

the World thinks Jews living in their capital is a threat to peace, but Palestinians inciting anti-Jewish propaganda and the occasional murder of Israelis - such the Druze Israeli soldier murdered by a US-trained Fatah security officer 3 weeks ago - is responded with silence, indifference.

Fatah was caught stealing the 20 million given to it by the US government during the elections.

But the US has not condemned the Palestinians, not once. Instead, they are given more money. The US has increased its aid to the UNRWA from 50 to 90 million, on top of the 200 million in government funding.

For what?

Meanwhile, Israel is extorted and bashed.

Fuck the UN and the USA.

Israel should reject US military aid if Americans think they can extort Israel into compromising its own national interests just so the West can appease the OIL DESPOTS.

Notice how the US has not once condemned Saudi Arabia, ever.

SA killed 8,000 in 2009 during the Yemeni insurgency, yet no cry from the left.

Israel builds a pizza hut in the WB and UN calls for sanctions.


Israel should REJECT US aid and eliminate the Palestinian leadership. Exterminate Hamas and all of its supporters. Just as the US and British forces are busy exterminating Taliban forces, killing ~3,500 every year.

It is a badge of honor to see the whole world diss Israel for daring to live in their capital.

I only wish that the West is punished for betraying the ultimate opponent of Islamic despotism in the name of oil politics. Let's see oil price sky-rocket when Israel bombs Iran and Syria.

edit: Also, the so-called settlement construction is supposed to happen for another 5 years. It was merely a standard announcement.

Obama has proven immense ignorance. Especially with his sucking up to the Muslim trolls. Now he is trying to save face, even though Biden has retracted his statement after learning that Israel's announcement was merely a formality.

This is the same Biden that said Israel should attack Iran, and that every American should stay in their homes or else they'll die of swine flu.

The way the Arabs make demands you would think they won 5 consecutive wars. Whatever they demand, Israel should do the exact opposite. Build settlements until there is no more land left for a Palestinian state.

With Rahmbo in the White House, I doubt Obama/Biden have any true seriousness about making Israel do anything it doesn't like. It's just Obama trying to look like he's doing something, while doing pretty much nothing, which about describes his presidency thus far.

 

[ranmaniac]

Bunch of pussies scared of muslims who just as soon cut your throat as look at you

I get the feeling that you may someday convert to Islam. May Allah bring you guidance.

 

[Craig234]

I'm not going to criticize the long post above (it's in the rules, 6.c. "Craig234 is not allowed to criticize others for long posts"), but we don't need to quote it repeatedly.

 

[Noobtastic]

With Rahmbo in the White House, I doubt Obama/Biden have any true seriousness about making Israel do anything it doesn't like. It's just Obama trying to look like he's doing something, while doing pretty much nothing, which about describes his presidency thus far.

that really doesnt matter. the fact that the US admin. has legitimized palestinian bullshit, stalling, and phony diplomacy has severely compromised israel's security.

now the palestinians have plenty of excuses to riot.

remember how the 2nd intifada started?

the usa extorted israel into 3 separate bogus peace process agreements that brought everything but PEACE.

now the US is trying to compensate for its total one-sided relationship with the arab tribes by CONDEMING israel for doing something it already said it was going to do years ago.

why the sudden hate?

imagine Israel siding with blatant enemies of the USA. enemies that have killed 10,000+ usa civilians.

USA is influential and inflammatory statements from biden and clinton have serious repercussions.

of course the american people are 10,000 miles a way so any suicide bombing or rocket attacks in tel aviv doesnt hurt them.

israel is not a threat to peace, america intervention is. unless it wants to send 100,000 US troops to police the IDf and the palestinians, it should STFU.

aid to israel should not be predicated on extortion. if it continues, israel will end up rejecting the aid.

 

[kylebisme]

Ah yes, Americans - so ignorant...

Your post has so little basis in reality that I can't be bothered to address all the falsehood in your arguments specifically, so instead I recommend coming to terms with the facts presenting in this Israeli's explanation of the situation.

 

[Zebo]

I get the feeling that you may someday convert to Islam. May Allah bring you guidance.

You mean except for the total explanation of the universe, total regulation of life, treating women, free thinkers, gays, etc like vomit? Yeah I could get down with the stonings and beheadings given the oppressors, sign me up, no problemo. May Allah fuck you before I do.

 

[Bitek]

I love all the American "Isreal-first"ers telling the usa to go F itself.
That pretty much has always been Isreals attitude, willing to be our friends as long as we are giving them money and protection. Ask them to do something else, and we see how far that "freindship" goes.

 

[Zebo]

Dude it has nothing to do with Israel who I think are a bunch of idiots by in large. It's about right and wrong. Once Arabs start treating Jews in their hospitals like the Jews do for their enemies I'll become neutral. Once Hammy kids are loved my their parents and much as Jews by theirs I'll become neutral. Of course you'll never see that equality because you don't understand infidel hatred and domination over is part and parcel for that religion they live under and are indoctrinated with since birth.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. IHateViruses rushes in, raving damage control. entirely predictable. If the Israelis rounded up all the Pals and gassed 'em, he'd represent it as a humanitarian act.

The Israelis violated the tacit agreement with Washington, the one where they get to do basically whatever they want so long as they don't make us look bad in the process.

"In yo' face, Joe Biden, yo' biatch!" doesn't cut it...

Pretty simple, really...

 

[Craig234]

...you don't understand infidel hatred and domination over is part and parcel for that religion they live under and are indoctrinated with since birth.

Appears you understand hatred too well, from your own experience. You have a whole justification built around why it's ok.

You would love those people if they weren't just such inherently evil, sub-human, worthless culture creaturess who are a disease to the human race. You'd love them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebo
Bunch of pussies scared of muslims who just as soon cut your throat as look at you

I get the feeling that you may someday convert to Islam. May Allah bring you guidance.

You already have your wish. Islam and Zebo have exactly the same point of view. Zebo and Islam are each the truth. Each are nice as pie. But if you fuck with them they aren't pussies, they will fuck with you right back. Those who align themselves against the truth and for evil are exterminated. The arguments are only about small matters like who has truth.

 

[SandEagle]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/world/middleeast/13diplo.html?src=me

Wow, looks like our lapdog is starting to pee inside on the carpets. Bad dog!!! Bad dog!!!

Hmmm, This ought to be interesting. I wonder if we will consider limiting our sales of arms to Israel. Looks like Obama is pissed... Seems to me Israel is use to just doing their own thing under the bush admin.

Funny how Joe the VP couldn't seem to hammer the issue home. I guess Obama had to bring out Clinton to get the message across. VP needs to grow some balls even if it means pissing off a bunch of assholes over there.

depends on which home:

Peres called Biden a "true friend" of Israel, and Biden said, "It's good to be home."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/10/biden.mideast/index.html

 

[Pocatello]

depends on which home:

Peres called Biden a "true friend" of Israel, and Biden said, "It's good to be home."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/10/biden.mideast/index.html

Good cop bad cop routine. Politics as usual. The U.S ain't gonna do sh!t to stop the Israeli from building more houses, we can b!tch about it though.

 

[Anarchist420]

I really wish so many Americans didn't put Israel before America.

 

[ericlp]

depends on which home:

Peres called Biden a "true friend" of Israel, and Biden said, "It's good to be home."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/10/biden.mideast/index.html

Biden -- “the status quo is not sustainable,” adding, “Sometimes, only a friend can deliver the hardest truths.”

I guess it didn't get him far. I think they will stand down and see it our way eventually.

 

[kylebisme]

You already have your wish. Islam and Zebo have exactly the same point of view.

Yet it seems you share Zebo's delusional point of view on Islam, smearing it as a whole for the actions of a few extremists with arguments reduced to the point of absurdity.