Clinton now friends w/ man who wrote book suggesting clinton murdered vince foster, founder of newsmax

Phokus

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05...r=2&hp=&pagewanted=all

Yet if Clinton has a powerful memory for slights, he also has a remarkable capacity for reconciliation. He is likelier to find peace with people who hate him the most than with friends who betray him. He focuses his considerable charms on seducing the person in the room he finds most resistant. Among those he has been friendly with lately is Christopher Ruddy, a conservative journalist who was a chief proponent of cover-up theories involving the Clintons during the 1990s. In his book, ?The Strange Death of Vincent Foster,? Ruddy rejected official findings that Foster, a deputy White House counsel, killed himself in a Virginia park and suggested the possibility of ?a cover-up conducted by people who have, with the help of the press, placed themselves above the law.? Ruddy also advanced the notion that Ron Brown, the Clinton commerce secretary who died in an airplane crash in Croatia in 1996, was actually shot in the head.

Ruddy today is the founder and chief executive of Newsmax, a conservative news-magazine. He told me he came around on Clinton after Ed Koch, the former New York mayor, introduced them. That led to lunches and more contacts, and now Ruddy says he was wrong about Clinton. ?I do consider Bill Clinton a friend, and I think he would consider me a friend,? Ruddy said. ?And to think of all the wars we went through in the ?90s, it seems almost surreal.?

With the passage of time, Ruddy said he came to believe that Clinton was much less liberal than his enemies thought. After all, Clinton overhauled welfare, tamed the deficit and promoted free trade. While still a proud ?Reagan conservative,? Ruddy said he now thinks the attacks on Clinton in the 1990s went too far. ?Did we like and enjoy all the salacious reporting and all the stuff going on in the ?90s?? he asked. ?I guess we thought, This is just politics. But looking back at my role, I was probably over the top. And if I knew then what I know today, I wouldn?t have pursued some of that stuff as aggressively as I did. I did an honest reporter?s job. But I have a different take on it now.?

Ruddy also attributes his change of heart to Clinton?s foundation, which has impressed him and other onetime foes. Richard Mellon Scaife, the billionaire publisher who financed Ruddy?s investigations and other anti-Clinton activities, is now a contributor to the foundation. So is Rupert Murdoch, the News Corporation chairman whose Fox News was a regular thorn in Clinton?s side. Clinton over the years has also made peace with other former adversaries, like Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich. The elder George Bush told me he now considers Clinton ?a real friend.? When I asked what changed his view, he wrote in an e-mail message: ?I didn?t know him personally back then. I knew him, but not up close and personal. Now I do.?

Unbelievable. NOW this guy realizes his attacks went too far? I actually think Clinton is one of the most rightwing presidents we've had in modern times (economically anyway).

Something tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.

The mud slinging wasn't even 100% about politics either, the right made a LOT of money slinging mud at him.

 

Rainsford

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I'm not entirely sure Clinton wasn't conservative in more ways than just economically. It was under his leadership that the government tried to foist the notorious "Clipper chip" on people, instead of real encryption. Thankfully that didn't work, but he also signed the DMCA, which is among the most draconian infringement on technology related civil liberties.

Part of the reason I'm glad Obama was elected is that it proves that actual Democrats can get elected, instead of just middle-right folks who happen to have signed up with our party.
 

techs

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HaHa. I like any thread that exposes the nimrod who runs NewsMax.
People in this forum continually link to Newsmax like its a real news source. It's amazing how propagandized and stupid people are.
The National Enquirer is responsible journalism compared to NewsMax.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: PhokusSomething tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.

If this had a sarcastic tone I must have missed it. You do see that Obama himself owns two car companies right? He's calling the shots. You see that MSNBC is his cheerleader so that GE its parent company can cash in when its healthcare division cleans up when obama declares himself head of health care. Wants to shut down any chance of us being energy independant championing quirky energy sources and cap and trading us into higher taxes and a huge net loss of energy jobs. We should use all forms of domestic energy not just one that are the en vogue. Forcing us into highspeed trains that we don't have and no one wants except the far left fringe. How is he saving capitalism? By printing money to shovel ready jobs that are not sustainable and will vanish in the long term making states and its people more dependant on an already cash strapped federal government. Sounds like the federal government might be the big monopoly that it never should've been.

I guarantee no true conservative will be apollogizing anytime soon. No Colin Pollow is not a conservative... not by a long shot.
 

ProfJohn

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You have to understand Bill Clinton's personal psyche to understand his politics.

The article pretty much explains it. Clinton seeks out the people who like him the least and then tries to get them to like him. He has this never ending need to be loved by everyone and will do whatever it takes to be loved.

That is what made him such a powerful politician, that ability to be likable. But it also made him a bad leader because he was all over the map on issues.

Compare his first two years in office with his last six. He started off as a super liberal and then took a huge turn to the right when Republicans took over.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Something tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.
You don't save capitalism by destroying it.

Obama is probably the closest thing to a socialist president we have ever had. Have you ever seen him go out and defend capitalism?
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: PhokusSomething tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.

If this had a sarcastic tone I must have missed it. You do see that Obama himself owns two car companies right? He's calling the shots. You see that MSNBC is his cheerleader so that GE its parent company can cash in when its healthcare division cleans up when obama declares himself head of health care. Wants to shut down any chance of us being energy independant championing quirky energy sources and cap and trading us into higher taxes and a huge net loss of energy jobs. We should use all forms of domestic energy not just one that are the en vogue. Forcing us into highspeed trains that we don't have and no one wants except the far left fringe. How is he saving capitalism? By printing money to shovel ready jobs that are not sustainable and will vanish in the long term making states and its people more dependant on an already cash strapped federal government. Sounds like the federal government might be the big monopoly that it never should've been.

I guarantee no true conservative will be apollogizing anytime soon. No Colin Pollow is not a conservative... not by a long shot.

Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Phokus
Something tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.
You don't save capitalism by destroying it.

Obama is probably the closest thing to a socialist president we have ever had. Have you ever seen him go out and defend capitalism?

He's defending capitalism because if we just let you guys have your way and let the world economy fail, you can rest assured that Obama or ANY future president will be 100 times more heavy handed in regulating the markets because the people would revolt when they lose everything and large segments of the economy fails.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You have to understand Bill Clinton's personal psyche to understand his politics.

The article pretty much explains it. Clinton seeks out the people who like him the least and then tries to get them to like him. He has this never ending need to be loved by everyone and will do whatever it takes to be loved.

That is what made him such a powerful politician, that ability to be likable. But it also made him a bad leader because he was all over the map on issues.

Compare his first two years in office with his last six. He started off as a super liberal and then took a huge turn to the right when Republicans took over.

Do you believe the right's attack on CLinton murdering people and being a commie was overboard? They still can't get off his nuts to this day.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.
I hope you understand that a lot of our current economic problems were caused by the government in the first place.

The big government push to increase home ownership started us down the path that led us off the cliff.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Phokus
Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.
I hope you understand that a lot of our current economic problems were caused by the government in the first place.

The big government push to increase home ownership started us down the path that led us off the cliff.

That's so incredibly dishonest it's not even funny. I don't see why it's so hard for you to accept that private industry fucked up, and fucked up badly. Everyone had a hand in this mess, but the free market was public enemy #1.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Phokus
Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.
I hope you understand that a lot of our current economic problems were caused by the government in the first place.

The big government push to increase home ownership started us down the path that led us off the cliff.

That's so incredibly dishonest it's not even funny. I don't see why it's so hard for you to accept that private industry fucked up, and fucked up badly. Everyone had a hand in this mess, but the free market was public enemy #1.

There's no real reason to debate with profjohn, he's a blatant liar. This has been debunked at least a 100 times on this board already

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53802.html
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You have to understand Bill Clinton's personal psyche to understand his politics.

The article pretty much explains it. Clinton seeks out the people who like him the least and then tries to get them to like him. He has this never ending need to be loved by everyone and will do whatever it takes to be loved.

That is what made him such a powerful politician, that ability to be likable. But it also made him a bad leader because he was all over the map on issues.

Compare his first two years in office with his last six. He started off as a super liberal and then took a huge turn to the right when Republicans took over.

Gee, I guess any President that tried to do the people's will would do so because he or she would do whatever it took to be loved. Careful you don't fill up with so much hot air you float away.

Man oh man that Clinton dude sure needs love, pass it on.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Phokus
Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.
I hope you understand that a lot of our current economic problems were caused by the government in the first place.

The big government push to increase home ownership started us down the path that led us off the cliff.

Ironically, the "ownership society" started under Clinton and perfected under Bush was part of that.

However, the "free market" did more than their normal share to fuck things up.
 

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you guys even get pissed off at a guy who was attacking and saw his errors? even the guy he was attacking is friends with him now, this shows how far from reality you guys have become. you will attack anyone, even the friends of the people you admire?
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: herm0016
you guys even get pissed off at a guy who was attacking and saw his errors? even the guy he was attacking is friends with him now, this shows how far from reality you guys have become. you will attack anyone, even the friends of the people you admire?

He changed his tune for the very wrong reason (the reason being, he was charmed by Clinton).

This was a man who engaged in some of the most depraved mudslinging that the right lapped up (seriously, clinton 'murdered' someone?) and he profited tremendously for it. Now that it's not as profitable to libel the Clintons, it's much easier for him to be 'gracious'.
 

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The author of the article is making that claim that Clinton was conservative because of tax cuts and welfare reform? Unbelievable blatant revisionism.

Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming to signing those bills. After vetoing them several times, Dick Morris told Clinton he would not be re-elected unless he signed on with the GOP controlled house.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: PhokusSomething tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.

If this had a sarcastic tone I must have missed it. You do see that Obama himself owns two car companies right? He's calling the shots. You see that MSNBC is his cheerleader so that GE its parent company can cash in when its healthcare division cleans up when obama declares himself head of health care. Wants to shut down any chance of us being energy independant championing quirky energy sources and cap and trading us into higher taxes and a huge net loss of energy jobs. We should use all forms of domestic energy not just one that are the en vogue. Forcing us into highspeed trains that we don't have and no one wants except the far left fringe. How is he saving capitalism? By printing money to shovel ready jobs that are not sustainable and will vanish in the long term making states and its people more dependant on an already cash strapped federal government. Sounds like the federal government might be the big monopoly that it never should've been.

I guarantee no true conservative will be apollogizing anytime soon. No Colin Pollow is not a conservative... not by a long shot.

Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.

I think he wants as much power as he can get. He's never run anything and he has NEVER had to turn a profit. Do you think GM will make a profit now? BHO said he take a "hands off approach." Fired the guy at the top now owns the company and paying off the labor unions for voting for him and replacing the board with his own cronies. Do you think the Sierra Club and the Environmentmental Defense Fund know how to make cars? No it's just another political payoff. Jobs my ass... Politics as usual. Change we can belive in! :evil:
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: PhokusSomething tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.

If this had a sarcastic tone I must have missed it. You do see that Obama himself owns two car companies right? He's calling the shots. You see that MSNBC is his cheerleader so that GE its parent company can cash in when its healthcare division cleans up when obama declares himself head of health care. Wants to shut down any chance of us being energy independant championing quirky energy sources and cap and trading us into higher taxes and a huge net loss of energy jobs. We should use all forms of domestic energy not just one that are the en vogue. Forcing us into highspeed trains that we don't have and no one wants except the far left fringe. How is he saving capitalism? By printing money to shovel ready jobs that are not sustainable and will vanish in the long term making states and its people more dependant on an already cash strapped federal government. Sounds like the federal government might be the big monopoly that it never should've been.

I guarantee no true conservative will be apollogizing anytime soon. No Colin Pollow is not a conservative... not by a long shot.

Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.

I think he wants as much power as he can get. He's never run anything and he has NEVER had to turn a profit. Do you think GM will make a profit now? BHO said he take a "hands off approach." Fired the guy at the top now owns the company and paying off the labor unions for voting for him and replacing the board with his own cronies. Do you think the Sierra Club and the Environmentmental Defense Fund know how to make cars? No it's just another political payoff. Jobs my ass... Politics as usual. Change we can belive in! :evil:

Any the last guy was given things to run and bankrupt almost all of them including the United States.

 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: QuantumPion
The author of the article is making that claim that Clinton was conservative because of tax cuts and welfare reform? Unbelievable blatant revisionism.

Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming to signing those bills. After vetoing them several times, Dick Morris told Clinton he would not be re-elected unless he signed on with the GOP controlled house.

You're a liar, Clinton CAMPAIGNED on welfare reform for his FIRST term.
 

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Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: PhokusSomething tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.

If this had a sarcastic tone I must have missed it. You do see that Obama himself owns two car companies right? He's calling the shots. You see that MSNBC is his cheerleader so that GE its parent company can cash in when its healthcare division cleans up when obama declares himself head of health care. Wants to shut down any chance of us being energy independant championing quirky energy sources and cap and trading us into higher taxes and a huge net loss of energy jobs. We should use all forms of domestic energy not just one that are the en vogue. Forcing us into highspeed trains that we don't have and no one wants except the far left fringe. How is he saving capitalism? By printing money to shovel ready jobs that are not sustainable and will vanish in the long term making states and its people more dependant on an already cash strapped federal government. Sounds like the federal government might be the big monopoly that it never should've been.

I guarantee no true conservative will be apollogizing anytime soon. No Colin Pollow is not a conservative... not by a long shot.

Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.

I think he wants as much power as he can get. He's never run anything and he has NEVER had to turn a profit. Do you think GM will make a profit now? BHO said he take a "hands off approach." Fired the guy at the top now owns the company and paying off the labor unions for voting for him and replacing the board with his own cronies. Do you think the Sierra Club and the Environmentmental Defense Fund know how to make cars? No it's just another political payoff. Jobs my ass... Politics as usual. Change we can belive in! :evil:

Any the last guy was given things to run and bankrupt almost all of them including the United States.

You have to thanks the union's legacy cost and the environmental and safety standard for that.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: HomerJS
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: PhokusSomething tells me that conservatives will have to apologize for calling Obama a 'socialist'/'communist' when they realize his plans were all about SAVING capitalism.

If this had a sarcastic tone I must have missed it. You do see that Obama himself owns two car companies right? He's calling the shots. You see that MSNBC is his cheerleader so that GE its parent company can cash in when its healthcare division cleans up when obama declares himself head of health care. Wants to shut down any chance of us being energy independant championing quirky energy sources and cap and trading us into higher taxes and a huge net loss of energy jobs. We should use all forms of domestic energy not just one that are the en vogue. Forcing us into highspeed trains that we don't have and no one wants except the far left fringe. How is he saving capitalism? By printing money to shovel ready jobs that are not sustainable and will vanish in the long term making states and its people more dependant on an already cash strapped federal government. Sounds like the federal government might be the big monopoly that it never should've been.

I guarantee no true conservative will be apollogizing anytime soon. No Colin Pollow is not a conservative... not by a long shot.

Because he's saving it from the free market's own incompetence. You think he WANTS to own any car companies? You think he WANTS to bailout the banks? He's preventing the absolute destruction of the world economy. This is the best option we have. Sure, we can go the Milton Friedman route of letting everything fail, but when you lose your job, house, car and can't feed yourself because the credit markets freeze up and large segments of the economy fails, you'll change your tune very quickly.

I think he wants as much power as he can get. He's never run anything and he has NEVER had to turn a profit. Do you think GM will make a profit now? BHO said he take a "hands off approach." Fired the guy at the top now owns the company and paying off the labor unions for voting for him and replacing the board with his own cronies. Do you think the Sierra Club and the Environmentmental Defense Fund know how to make cars? No it's just another political payoff. Jobs my ass... Politics as usual. Change we can belive in! :evil:

Any the last guy was given things to run and bankrupt almost all of them including the United States.

He had no legal basis to fire him.