Clinton is such a great person

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DonVito
His lying, cheating, and ruthlessness pale compared to President Bush, and the "murdering" is straight-up libel on your part.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Still getting a good laugh as the libbies rush in to admire their saint. :thumbsup:

You're not better than they are. You're both partisan hacks.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DonVito
His lying, cheating, and ruthlessness pale compared to President Bush, and the "murdering" is straight-up libel on your part.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Still getting a good laugh as the libbies rush in to admire their saint. :thumbsup:

I don't think anyone, including President Clinton, thinks he's a saint, but if he could run again in 2008 he'd win in a landslide.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DaShen
The thing is that I find most people aren't mad about the perjury, but more about the moral faltering (which as I mentioned before, he asked for forgiveness). I actually think he is "making amends" (almost overtrying) to earn public approval again, but again, the stuff he is doing is great.

The thing is, most people try to make it seem as though all it amounted to was "moral faltering" which is far from the truth. Slick still will not admit to this day to his actions, still believes he was impeached and nearly convicted out of office for "a blowjob".

I'm far more concerned with his crimes, obstruction of justice, and perjury, to begin with. They're far more serious than his "moral faltering" IMHO.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Descartes
He's one of the more charismatic speakers I think I've ever seen.

I liked Clinton. I voted for Clinton. And yes, he was very charismatic (would have made a hell of a saleman), especially at rallies, etc. However, his formal speeches were infamous for being long, drawn-out, and boring. Give him 45 minutes and he might give up the podium an hour and a half later.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'm not about to wade into a political flamefest with the partisan hacks and the Bush & Clinton fanboys, but my problem with him was always the perjury. As Chief Executive, he is supposed to be the primary enforcer of our laws and he perjured himself on the stand. Instant and complete loss of credibility in my opinion.

Agreed. The perjury was incredibly wrong, but that doesn't preclude the amazing stuff that he did do.

How can you give him a free pass though? As our Chief Executive, he undermined one this country's foundations, the Rule of Law. That is inexcusable IMO and will forever taint him in my eyes.

I agree, that he should have been impeached for perjury (that angered me as well). But the impact of things he did is still good, and I beleive he is trying to be an impactful person even after the presidency. As for being a good person, he already confessed his "sins" (he actually used that term) to a group of religious leaders in a semi-private environment.

The thing is that I find most people aren't mad about the perjury, but more about the moral faltering (which as I mentioned before, he asked for forgiveness). I actually think he is "making amends" (almost overtrying) to earn public approval again, but again, the stuff he is doing is great.

Look at cKGunslinger's list of a few Clinton's initiatives. Don't forget that anytime that a new scandal came out he lobbed a few cruise missiles into the ME in the sake of "fighting terrorism".

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Look at cKGunslinger's list of a few Clinton's initiatives. Don't forget that anytime that a new scandal came out he lobbed a few cruise missiles into the ME in the sake of "fighting terrorism".

As opposed to doing it to draw attention away from the economy?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

The thing is, most people try to make it seem as though all it amounted to was "moral faltering" which is far from the truth. Slick still will not admit to this day to his actions, still believes he was impeached and nearly convicted out of office for "a blowjob".

I'm far more concerned with his crimes, obstruction of justice, and perjury, to begin with. They're far more serious than his "moral faltering" IMHO.

What do you think of Iran-Contra, and Reagan's lying about it to Congress? It seems to me that's worlds more significant than Clinton lying about Monica (though I agree both are bad). What about Iraqgate, in which Reagan and the elder Bush continued to funnel cash illegally to Saddam Hussein even after he'd committed acts of genocide against the Kurds?

My only point is that every President is a sinner and most are criminals - in the larger scheme of things I think Clinton was only a minor offender.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Look at cKGunslinger's list of a few Clinton's initiatives. Don't forget that anytime that a new scandal came out he lobbed a few cruise missiles into the ME in the sake of "fighting terrorism".

As opposed to doing it to draw attention away from the economy?

Ugh, I'm going to be drawn into this after all.

To be honest, I consider both Clinton and Bush to be below average Presidents.

BTW, last I heard the economy is on the upswing and has been. You give Clinton too much credit and Bush too much blame for the economy. It is and always has been cyclical.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DaShen
The thing is that I find most people aren't mad about the perjury, but more about the moral faltering (which as I mentioned before, he asked for forgiveness). I actually think he is "making amends" (almost overtrying) to earn public approval again, but again, the stuff he is doing is great.

The thing is, most people try to make it seem as though all it amounted to was "moral faltering" which is far from the truth. Slick still will not admit to this day to his actions, still believes he was impeached and nearly convicted out of office for "a blowjob".

I'm far more concerned with his crimes, obstruction of justice, and perjury, to begin with. They're far more serious than his "moral faltering" IMHO.

Then I am in agreement with you. He should have been impeached.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: DonVito

I don't think anyone, including President Clinton, thinks he's a saint, but if he could run again in 2008 he'd win in a landslide.

I agree, but that may be more due to factors such as the current lack of any politically-viable candidates. Any port in a storm, as they say.

Hell, given a choice between him, his wife, Condi, and just about any other potential candidate, I'd probably vote for him again.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DonVito
What do you think of Iran-Contra, and Reagan's lying about it to Congress? It seems to me that's worlds more significant than Clinton lying about Monica (though I agree both are bad). What about Iraqgate, in which Reagan and the elder Bush continued to funnel cash illegally to Saddam Hussein even after he'd committed acts of genocide against the Kurds?

Iran-Contra was a disgrace, but once again, two wrongs do not make a right.

And I don't need to list Clinton's scandals here, as it has all been rehashed a thousand times. Hint: Travelgate, and move right down the list.

My only point is that every President is a sinner and most are criminals - in the larger scheme of things I think Clinton was only a minor offender.

I wouldn't say "most" are criminals. "Most" are not convicted of a crime and/or impeached from office. Certainly they all make decisions that alienate half of the country at any given time.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: uhohs
did he "confess" after he was impeached? lol

"I did not have relations with Ms. Lewinsky"
"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is"
"Terroism? Not a concern"
"No illegal real estate deals here folks!"

Great person my behind. He out right lied to america and a grand jury. However he was a great speaker and a decent president that made some serious mistakes (like all presidents do)

Now now now... he was set up. Starr agreed beforehand that for the purposes of Clinton's deposition that oral sex would not be defined as sex, and then reneged on that agreement and charged him with perjury after the fact. That's why Clinton was acquitted.

Whitewater was in truth tied up in the greater picture of the RTC and the savings and loan debacle. Clinton and McDougal were to that as Martha Stewart was to Enron.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DaShen
Then I am in agreement with you. He should have been impeached.

He was impeached. Unfortunately his buddies in the Senate wouldn't vote for conviction.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DonVito
What do you think of Iran-Contra, and Reagan's lying about it to Congress? It seems to me that's worlds more significant than Clinton lying about Monica (though I agree both are bad). What about Iraqgate, in which Reagan and the elder Bush continued to funnel cash illegally to Saddam Hussein even after he'd committed acts of genocide against the Kurds?

Iran-Contra was a disgrace, but once again, two wrongs do not make a right.

And I don't need to list Clinton's scandals here, as it has all been rehashed a thousand times. Hint: Travelgate, and move right down the list.

My only point is that every President is a sinner and most are criminals - in the larger scheme of things I think Clinton was only a minor offender.

I wouldn't say "most" are criminals. "Most" are not convicted of a crime and/or impeached from office. Certainly they all make decisions that alienate half of the country at any given time.

Travelgate, like the rest of the Clinton scandals, was small beer compared to Iran-Contra and Iraqgate. I think history has shown that both Reagan and GHWB were far more serious criminals than Clinton, yet Reagan has practically been canonized in this country. It's all a matter of perception, and Clinton was hated more by his political opponents than any President in modern history, with the possible exception of GWB.

I think in the larger scheme of things Clinton was a 60th-percentile President. He is as naturally gifted a politician as we've seen in my lifetime, but he ultimately lacks moral courage, and didn't succeed in using his natural skill to accomplish a ton during his 8 years in office. One wonders what he might have achieved were he not constantly dogged by Ken Starr annd Gingrich et al in Congress. I do think that 6 years with President Bush, who is neither likeable, honest, nor professionally competent, has made Clinton look like Abe Lincoln.

Do you think Iran-Contra (including Reagan's subsequent perjury to Congress) or Iraqgate warranted impeachment?

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
Great person, LOL

:laugh:

 

[JS80]

OP proves, however, he's a master politician.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DaShen
Then I am in agreement with you. He should have been impeached.

He was impeached. Unfortunately his buddies in the Senate wouldn't vote for conviction.

He was hardly the first President to get a blowjob from his mistress in the Oval Office. The impeachment was just partisan crap. And partisans (both sides), more or less by definition, have no clue about the true nature of politics, being blinded by the mindless chants and rhetoric of their "team"... look, Bush and Clinton are good friends these days.... wow. How could that be when the partisans say that one is supposed to be a hero and the other a devil?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Pabster
ROFL

Can't believe the guy still has fanboys.

Yeah, but then, you're still not sure about this whole "the Earth is round" idea.

Bill Clinton got a blow job.

George Bush IS a blow job.

 

[her209]

"My fellow Americans. Today is a day which will live in infamy. The Canadians have bombed the Baldwins."

 

[Hyperlite]

thanks for posting this, i was meaning to watch it but i missed it.

 

[Kirby]

wait a minute, i'm lost....this is off topic, right?

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Pabster
ROFL

Can't believe the guy still has fanboys.

Yeah, 'cause it's not like he's still doing anything!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: her209
"My fellow Americans. Today is a day which will live in infamy. The Canadians have bombed the Baldwins."

hehe

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: DaShen
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Clinton is making a difference in the world now, and that makes him a good guy.

He did a real good job of giving away top secret US missile technology to China, free, that USA paid dearly to develop. Clinton's free gift enabled China to put missiles into space, and too soon enough to the moon.

Clinton did a fine job in his last day(s) in office of issuing lots of prez pardons to scum of the earth who belong in prison for life. Clinton's buds.

Clinton was a great guy when it came to creating the debacle of Mogadishu...what a guy!!!

He could get back into the power wielder's saddle, with his wonderful wife Hillary the antichrist. Put you all in uniforms, stamp out your individual liberty, foaming at the mouth socalists to the max. What a couple!

Live !

 

[FoBoT]

:thumbsdown:

i missed your list of actual factual good things he has done