Clinton is such a great person

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: BoomerD

No, I don't know what he does on his own time, and I don't care...none of my business, but then again, neither was the Monica affair...THAT was between Bill and his wife...NONE of our business...

No, no. Being a sneaky, cheating, lying, unfaithful bastard is pretty much the American peoples' business if you are the President. It demonstrates character, which is an important aspect of any elected official.

Just because you chose to turn off your TV and stick you fingers in your ears doesn't mean that no one else should have cared, either.

Then I'm sure you have some HORRIBLE things to say about our current Commander-in-Chimp...He's pretty much all of those and worse...unless you're a Bushite, then of course, he's the next best thing to Gawd...


This is P&N

Yes, Bush sucks. Stop changing the subject with your irrelveant partisan bullsh1t. Or are you just a one-trick pony?

Why do you feel Clinton gets a free pass on character issues?

 

[Descartes]

He's one of the more charismatic speakers I think I've ever seen.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: BoomerD

No, I don't know what he does on his own time, and I don't care...none of my business, but then again, neither was the Monica affair...THAT was between Bill and his wife...NONE of our business...

No, no. Being a sneaky, cheating, lying, unfaithful bastard is pretty much the American peoples' business if you are the President. It demonstrates character, which is an important aspect of any elected official.

Just because you chose to turn off your TV and stick you fingers in your ears doesn't mean that no one else should have cared, either.

Then I'm sure you have some HORRIBLE things to say about our current Commander-in-Chimp...He's pretty much all of those and worse...unless you're a Bushite, then of course, he's the next best thing to Gawd...


This is P&N

Yes, Bush sucks. Stop changing the subject with your irrelveant partisan bullsh1t. Or are you just a one-trick pony?

Why do you feel Clinton gets a free pass on character issues?

He doesn't get a PASS on character issues. What he did was stupid and contemptous, but cheating on his wife is between him and his wife, and NONE of my business. What IS my business is how well he runs the country, and IMO, he did a good job of that...MUCH more than can be said of the current administration.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: BoomerD

No, I don't know what he does on his own time, and I don't care...none of my business, but then again, neither was the Monica affair...THAT was between Bill and his wife...NONE of our business...

No, no. Being a sneaky, cheating, lying, unfaithful bastard is pretty much the American peoples' business if you are the President. It demonstrates character, which is an important aspect of any elected official.

Just because you chose to turn off your TV and stick you fingers in your ears doesn't mean that no one else should have cared, either.

so are you saying that every president, besides Clinton, never cheated on their wives? face it, Clinton got caught that's why it was such a big issue. I'm sure Bush has his ways of taking care of all the stress from the middle east war. Just because you don't know about things that goes on in the white house, doesnt mean that none of the other presidents werent also sneaky, cheating, lying and unfaithful bastards.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Yeah, the US needs more lying, cheating, ruthless, murdering Presidents that can shake off most accusations with his "Good 'ol Boy" charm and appeal. Oh, wait...

:roll: that was a really ignorant thing to say man.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: loki8481
Bill Clinton is the man :thumbsup:

but that interview really annoyed me... right before Clinton came on, they had a bit about the problems with the don't ask, don't tell policy (and how the military would rather have the borderline retarded in their ranks than gay arabic translators). and yet, Clinton comes on, and Jon Stewart doesn't ask him about the policy at all, despite the fact that he was the one who started it.

Jon Stewart is such a pussy sometimes.

You talk as if Jon Stewart knew that piece of information. He's just a comedian reading scripted lines - NOT some sort of political guru like many young people think he is.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Yeah, the US needs more lying, cheating, ruthless, murdering Presidents that can shake off most accusations with his "Good 'ol Boy" charm and appeal. Oh, wait...

His lying, cheating, and ruthlessness pale compared to President Bush, and the "murdering" is straight-up libel on your part.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: BoomerD

No, I don't know what he does on his own time, and I don't care...none of my business, but then again, neither was the Monica affair...THAT was between Bill and his wife...NONE of our business...

No, no. Being a sneaky, cheating, lying, unfaithful bastard is pretty much the American peoples' business if you are the President. It demonstrates character, which is an important aspect of any elected official.

Just because you chose to turn off your TV and stick you fingers in your ears doesn't mean that no one else should have cared, either.

Then I'm sure you have some HORRIBLE things to say about our current Commander-in-Chimp...He's pretty much all of those and worse...unless you're a Bushite, then of course, he's the next best thing to Gawd...


This is P&N

Yes, Bush sucks. Stop changing the subject with your irrelveant partisan bullsh1t. Or are you just a one-trick pony?

Why do you feel Clinton gets a free pass on character issues?

He doesn't. But he already apoligized about it. Yes, it would have been better if he had either, one, said that it was a private concern, or two, confessed it outright, but the fact of the matter is that he confessed it later on and asked for forgiveness. The only people who make a big deal about it now are people who haven't really experienced Grace in their own lives (who are so quick to judge, but easily overlook their own faults).

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Why do you feel Clinton gets a free pass on character issues?

He doesn't get a PASS on character issues. What he did was stupid and contemptous, but cheating on his wife is between him and his wife, and NONE of my business. What IS my business is how well he runs the country, and IMO, he did a good job of that...MUCH more than can be said of the current administration.

If he and Hillary had an "arrangement" where Bill could sleep with interns, that'd be one thing. But it was quite apparent that he did this behind her back, making him a sneaky, cheating, liar - characteristics which could very well affect his policies and executive leadership abilities. Ergo, it is the American voters' business.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: loki8481
Bill Clinton is the man :thumbsup:

but that interview really annoyed me... right before Clinton came on, they had a bit about the problems with the don't ask, don't tell policy (and how the military would rather have the borderline retarded in their ranks than gay arabic translators). and yet, Clinton comes on, and Jon Stewart doesn't ask him about the policy at all, despite the fact that he was the one who started it.

Jon Stewart is such a pussy sometimes.

You talk as if Jon Stewart knew that piece of information. He's just a comedian reading scripted lines - NOT some sort of political guru like many young people think he is.

well, if I identified every other staff writer and producer in addition to JS, no one would know who I was talking about.

 

[Conky]

Clinton was just as big a hick as Bush but you have to admire how he seems to be teflon coated. Nothing bad ever seems to stick to him but I'm afraid his legacy will always be the blue dress... ain't no way he's ever gonna shake that. :laugh:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Yeah, the US needs more lying, cheating, ruthless, murdering Presidents that can shake off most accusations with his "Good 'ol Boy" charm and appeal. Oh, wait...

His lying, cheating, and ruthlessness pale compared to President Bush, and the "murdering" is straight-up libel on your part.

Who said it doesn't pale in comparison's to Bush?

I think any realistic look at these two Presidents would show that they are very similiar, only that Clinton is a bit more suave than Bush and does seem to have more genuine care for social issues, while Bush is a lot more brazen and brash in his scum-baggery.

But hell, if the nuts get to say Bush directly planned 9/11, then I surely get to say that Clinton's involvements with murders, "suicides," strange disappearances, of ex-business partners, witnesses, etc are more than a bit suspicious.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: SaltBoy

Originally posted by: DaShen


The only people who don't like him are peopel who focus on his adultery (which is very, very bad BTW). They don't even think about the perjury really. But little do people realize that he actually had a session with key religious leaders in America where he confessed his "sin" (he actually used that word). Of course, Fundies are so legalistic, that doesn't matter to them.

The people who keep on bringing up his adultery are late night talk show hosts. Clinton has been stereotyped as a horny, adulterous man by everybody and always will be, even if he has truly changed his lifestyle.

I'm not about to wade into a political flamefest with the partisan hacks and the Bush & Clinton fanboys, but my problem with him was always the perjury. As Chief Executive, he is supposed to be the primary enforcer of our laws and he perjured himself on the stand. Instant and complete loss of credibility in my opinion.

 

[uhohs]

did he "confess" after he was impeached? lol

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Yeah, the US needs more lying, cheating, ruthless, murdering Presidents that can shake off most accusations with his "Good 'ol Boy" charm and appeal. Oh, wait...

:roll: that was a really ignorant thing to say man.

Why so? Do you really think Clinton and Bush to be that dissimilar? Does naiveté run in your family?

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'm not about to wade into a political flamefest with the partisan hacks and the Bush & Clinton fanboys, but my problem with him was always the perjury. As Chief Executive, he is supposed to be the primary enforcer of our laws and he perjured himself on the stand. Instant and complete loss of credibility in my opinion.

Agreed. The perjury was incredibly wrong, but that doesn't preclude the amazing stuff that he did do.

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Why so? Do you really think Clinton and Bush to be that dissimilar? Does naiveté run in your family?

I would appreciate it if you didn't mention my family in insults on a thread. It debases the discussion, and only escalates things into arguments.

I will agree to disagree with you, insomuch as you do not like Clinton's humanitarian work, and I do.

And, yes I do believe that they are very dissimilar in their outlook on life, and also, how they conduct their lives, but I can see you do not. No big deal. I just posted a thread that I thought was good and edifying, which showed a president I believe did a decent job. Not many good president's nowadays.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: uhohs
did he "confess" after he was impeached? lol

"I did not have relations with Ms. Lewinsky"
"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is"
"Terroism? Not a concern"
"No illegal real estate deals here folks!"

Great person my behind. He out right lied to america and a grand jury. However he was a great speaker and a decent president that made some serious mistakes (like all presidents do)

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'm not about to wade into a political flamefest with the partisan hacks and the Bush & Clinton fanboys, but my problem with him was always the perjury. As Chief Executive, he is supposed to be the primary enforcer of our laws and he perjured himself on the stand. Instant and complete loss of credibility in my opinion.

Agreed. The perjury was incredibly wrong, but that doesn't preclude the amazing stuff that he did do.

The blue dress thing was amazing, wasn't it?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'm not about to wade into a political flamefest with the partisan hacks and the Bush & Clinton fanboys, but my problem with him was always the perjury. As Chief Executive, he is supposed to be the primary enforcer of our laws and he perjured himself on the stand. Instant and complete loss of credibility in my opinion.

Agreed. The perjury was incredibly wrong, but that doesn't preclude the amazing stuff that he did do.

How can you give him a free pass though? As our Chief Executive, he undermined one this country's foundations, the Rule of Law. That is inexcusable IMO and will forever taint him in my eyes.

 

[jemcam]

O...M...F...G!

You can't be serious.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I certainly like him better than his wife...

That isn't saying much

 

[Thraxen]

I didn't care for Clinton too much when he was in office, but seeing as how our economy has gone in the toilet and we are disliked by the rest of the world more now than ever before since he left office... I kind of miss him now.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DonVito
His lying, cheating, and ruthlessness pale compared to President Bush, and the "murdering" is straight-up libel on your part.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Still getting a good laugh as the libbies rush in to admire their saint. :thumbsup:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'm not about to wade into a political flamefest with the partisan hacks and the Bush & Clinton fanboys, but my problem with him was always the perjury. As Chief Executive, he is supposed to be the primary enforcer of our laws and he perjured himself on the stand. Instant and complete loss of credibility in my opinion.

Agreed. The perjury was incredibly wrong, but that doesn't preclude the amazing stuff that he did do.

Brady Bill
DMCA
Don't Ask, Don't Tell
Defense of Marriage Act
All those pardons on his last day in office

Those amazing things?

I think you may be looking back through those fabled rose-colored glasses. While Clinton did have some decent policies and initiatives, he had just as many poor ones.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'm not about to wade into a political flamefest with the partisan hacks and the Bush & Clinton fanboys, but my problem with him was always the perjury. As Chief Executive, he is supposed to be the primary enforcer of our laws and he perjured himself on the stand. Instant and complete loss of credibility in my opinion.

Agreed. The perjury was incredibly wrong, but that doesn't preclude the amazing stuff that he did do.

How can you give him a free pass though? As our Chief Executive, he undermined one this country's foundations, the Rule of Law. That is inexcusable IMO and will forever taint him in my eyes.

I agree, that he should have been impeached for perjury (that angered me as well). But the impact of things he did is still good, and I beleive he is trying to be an impactful person even after the presidency. As for being a good person, he already confessed his "sins" (he actually used that term) to a group of religious leaders in a semi-private environment.

The thing is that I find most people aren't mad about the perjury, but more about the moral faltering (which as I mentioned before, he asked for forgiveness). I actually think he is "making amends" (almost overtrying) to earn public approval again, but again, the stuff he is doing is great.