Clinton health plan for Americans only

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: rudder
Well at least the U.S. born children of illegals can get a good start with their $5000 from Hillary.

They are Americans.

We need changes to this legislation.

Kind of reminds of me the saying " Two Wrongs dont make a right"

"Two illegals, dont make a legal"

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
We need changes to this legislation.

Kind of reminds of me the saying " Two Wrongs dont make a right"

"Two illegals, dont make a legal"

Agreed.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: rudder
Well at least the U.S. born children of illegals can get a good start with their $5000 from Hillary.

They are Americans.

We need changes to this legislation.

Kind of reminds of me the saying " Two Wrongs dont make a right"

"Two illegals, dont make a legal"

We can't do much because if you determine the kids to be illegal then that doesn't mean that the country of their parents will recognize them as citizens. You would end up having a lot of people in limbo without citizenship anywhere which means they are bound to no country's laws. Not good.

 

[ElFenix]

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

it'll take a lot to change that. i'm not even sure how you could disclaim jurisdiction.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: rudder
Well at least the U.S. born children of illegals can get a good start with their $5000 from Hillary.

They are Americans.

We need changes to this legislation.

Kind of reminds of me the saying " Two Wrongs dont make a right"

"Two illegals, dont make a legal"

We can't do much because if you determine the kids to be illegal then that doesn't mean that the country of their parents will recognize them as citizens. You would end up having a lot of people in limbo without citizenship anywhere which means they are bound to no country's laws. Not good.

I'd be interested to see you provide some solid info for that assertion.

I've lived in many countries, for many years, outside of the USA. Most seem to base citizenship on that of the parents, not merely where they are born.

If citizenship is based upon that of the parents, I don't see how they'll have too much of a problem.

TIA

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...clinton_health_care_11

WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that immigrants living in the U.S. illegally would not be covered by her proposed universal health care plan

They don't need coverage under her plan.

They've already got Medicaid etc.

Fern

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: rudder
Well at least the U.S. born children of illegals can get a good start with their $5000 from Hillary.

They are Americans.

We need changes to this legislation.

Kind of reminds of me the saying " Two Wrongs dont make a right"

"Two illegals, dont make a legal"

We can't do much because if you determine the kids to be illegal then that doesn't mean that the country of their parents will recognize them as citizens. You would end up having a lot of people in limbo without citizenship anywhere which means they are bound to no country's laws. Not good.

I'd be interested to see you provide some solid info for that assertion.

I've lived in many countries, for many years, outside of the USA. Most seem to base citizenship on that of the parents, not merely where they are born.

If citizenship is based upon that of the parents, I don't see how they'll have too much of a problem.

TIA

Fern

Way to go off on tangents. The point is, under the current system, they are Americans, and even if the system was changed, the ones that were already born are already Americans. Seeing how they are Americans, they should get the same care as any other American.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://www.npr.org/templates/s...y.php?storyId=15317839
Intelligence Squared U.S.
Should We Welcome Undocumented Immigrants?

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NPR.org, October 17, 2007 · In the past decade, a large influx of immigrants ? many Hispanic and many illegal ? has expanded from traditional polyglot cities into the suburbs, exurbs and even rural areas of America. This has produced a backlash, especially since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, made immigration a national security issue.

This cant be true according to the liberal, bleeding-heart-lets-dissolve-our border-Democrats and their ilk in here!

I have yet to see a liberal say open the borders!! In fact I have yet to see a conservative that has either. It is the parties, not the general population. The Republicans won't tackle the issue because it hurts their business voting base and funding, the Democrats won't touch it because they think it will hurt the Hispanic voting base. Meanwhile a majority of the population, regardless of party, want the borders to be secured.

Your meter needs a new battery, sir.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: rudder
Well at least the U.S. born children of illegals can get a good start with their $5000 from Hillary.

They are Americans.

We need changes to this legislation.

Kind of reminds of me the saying " Two Wrongs dont make a right"

"Two illegals, dont make a legal"

We can't do much because if you determine the kids to be illegal then that doesn't mean that the country of their parents will recognize them as citizens. You would end up having a lot of people in limbo without citizenship anywhere which means they are bound to no country's laws. Not good.

I'd be interested to see you provide some solid info for that assertion.

I've lived in many countries, for many years, outside of the USA. Most seem to base citizenship on that of the parents, not merely where they are born.

If citizenship is based upon that of the parents, I don't see how they'll have too much of a problem.

TIA

Fern

Way to go off on tangents. The point is, under the current system, they are Americans, and even if the system was changed, the ones that were already born are already Americans. Seeing how they are Americans, they should get the same care as any other American.

Under the current system, the Illegal parents are NOT Americans and should be deported immediately. But that doesn't stop Illegals from whining how they are entitled to stay in USA because they made it here. Funny how Illegals like American laws ONLY when it suits them.

A bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Fern
I'd be interested to see you provide some solid info for that assertion.

I've lived in many countries, for many years, outside of the USA. Most seem to base citizenship on that of the parents, not merely where they are born.

If citizenship is based upon that of the parents, I don't see how they'll have too much of a problem.

TIA

Fern

Some do. Some don't. I suppose it could be amended in such a way that if the home country of the parents recognizes that child as a citizen then they do not become American citizens. Then the rest of them do become American citizens. Still, even if you do it that way, it really sucks for the kids. Can you imagine growing up in a country where you were not given an education or any of the other benefits from the country just because your parents chose to come there illegally? The country you are residing in illegally is all you know. You are essentially an American. Your parent's home country means nothing to you yet you will be forced to go there before you turn 18 or else risk being convicted of a crime.


I don't know...I am happy enough with my life her in America to let that slide for the sake of those kids who didn't have a choice to begin with.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: babylon5


Under the current system, the Illegal parents are NOT Americans and should be deported immediately. But that doesn't stop Illegals from whining how they are entitled to stay in USA because they made it here. Funny how Illegals like American laws ONLY when it suits them.

A bunch of hypocrites.

I agree but it should also be pointed out that most Americans only like American laws when it suits them too lol

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Yay for trying to appeal to everyone while making nobody happy! (Free health care! How'bout that lefites! But not to illegals! How 'bout that right wingers!)

I hope she keeps this up.

Yeah and we'll end up with the Neo Liberal Gulliani as President. Hmmm that's not to appealing is it?

Will hte media turn on rudy and seek to call him a closet transexual?
http://www.allreaders.com/pict...rudy_giuliani_drag.jpg

How many times are you going to post that picture???

We have all seen it and we all understand that it was a joke.

I have never posted it before or any others.. maybe it is the one on your nightstand that has you confused?

Anyhow.. tRudy does like to do skits as a woman.. that is for sure

Don't take it personally, FlufferJohn PMSes when you piss off his Republican of choice