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Clinton "Election" Speech at Georgetown

NFS4

NFS4

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It's on all the major cable news networks right now. Even though the man doesn't have the same "spark" that he did 15 years ago, his philosophies and delivery still engages IMHO.

On a more present note though, why doesn't the Democratic party have a current figure-head like Clinton? A great strategist, a great speaker, someone that sparks emotion and someone that engages.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
His name was John Edwards.
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Yeah, he's got the NC swagger. I like 'em, but he hasn't been showing his face much these days...and this is despite the face that he's billed as a front-runner for '08 by many.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
It's on all the major cable news networks right now. Even though the man doesn't have the same "spark" that he did 15 years ago, his philosophies and delivery still engages IMHO.

On a more present note though, why doesn't the Democratic party have a current figure-head like Clinton?

A great strategist, a great speaker, someone that sparks emotion and someone that engages.
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No one in here would deny that I "spark emotion" and "engage".

My strategy certainly goes against the grain of those in here that hate America.

Speaking wise you can see documentaries I believe I am, OK in front of audiences (I have spoken at Conventions such as DragonCon David McOwen Bio) and the camera.
 
Yeah, only an outside the box thinker (Dave) would subsidize oil prices AND invest in alternative energy...😕
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: NFS4
It's on all the major cable news networks right now. Even though the man doesn't have the same "spark" that he did 15 years ago, his philosophies and delivery still engages IMHO.

On a more present note though, why doesn't the Democratic party have a current figure-head like Clinton?

A great strategist, a great speaker, someone that sparks emotion and someone that engages.
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<----------------------- Here 😀

No one in here would deny that I "spark emotion" and "engage".

My strategy certainly goes against the grain of those in here that hate America.

Speaking wise you can see documentaries I believe I am, OK in front of audiences (I have spoken at Conventions such as DragonCon David McOwen Bio) and the camera.
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Well, you have something in common with Bush. Both your companies went bankrupt😉
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Yeah, only an outside the box thinker (Dave) would subsidize oil prices AND invest in alternative energy...😕
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Where do you get that from???

I would hardly call working on eliminating dependence on Oil as "subsidize".
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Yeah, only an outside the box thinker (Dave) would subsidize oil prices AND invest in alternative energy...😕
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Where do you get that from???

I would hardly call working on eliminating dependence on Oil as "subsidize".
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You are constantly complaining about high oil prices yet it's a commodity driven by global fundamentals. Even though Americans spend the least on gasoline in the world you want the government to step in and somehow subsidize the prices.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Yeah, only an outside the box thinker (Dave) would subsidize oil prices AND invest in alternative energy...😕
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Where do you get that from???

I would hardly call working on eliminating dependence on Oil as "subsidize".
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You are constantly complaining about high oil prices yet it's a commodity driven by global fundamentals. Even though Americans spend the least on gasoline in the world you want the government to step in and somehow subsidize the prices.
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Oh please, if you're going to characterize me and put words in my mouth at least try and get it right.

What's the matter, afraid my campaign is gaining teeth?
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Clinton is a has-been nobody.
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Bwahaha, and what does that make you or me?

Clinton has done more for the world after his presidency than me or you or anyone on this forum will ever do in their lives combined.

Clinton is still a world leader in global initiatives. Get over it.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Yeah, only an outside the box thinker (Dave) would subsidize oil prices AND invest in alternative energy...😕
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Where do you get that from???

I would hardly call working on eliminating dependence on Oil as "subsidize".
Click to expand...
You are constantly complaining about high oil prices yet it's a commodity driven by global fundamentals. Even though Americans spend the least on gasoline in the world you want the government to step in and somehow subsidize the prices.
Click to expand...
Oh please, if you're going to characterize me and put words in my mouth at least try and get it right.

What's the matter, afraid my campaign is gaining teeth?
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I can't wait for the debate :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Yeah, only an outside the box thinker (Dave) would subsidize oil prices AND invest in alternative energy...😕
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Nothing wrong with temporarily subsidizing GASOLINE/DIESEL prices, while investing in/developing alternative energy. The goal being to spur the economy until the point where we no longer need to subsidize prices because we no longer need oil.
 
First he wanted an office in Manhattan but the outcry for misuse of CSA funding had him settle for an office in Harlem. And folks in Harlem proclaimed they were proud that he chose Harlem. Whatever. He is certainly charming, I'll give him that much.
 
Originally posted by: Pens1566
He'd win again if he was constitutionally eligible.
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He would have beaten Bush in a Landslide if he could have run again in 2000. Actually I think Gore would have demolished Bush if Gore had taken Clinton up on his offer to campaign for him.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Pens1566
He'd win again if he was constitutionally eligible.
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He would have beaten Bush in a Landslide if he could have run again in 2000. Actually I think Gore would have demolished Bush if Gore had taken Clinton up on his offer to campaign for him.
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Clinton was "tainted goods" to Gore. Tainted goods or not, Clinton would have easily pushed him into the driver's seat.
 
Clinton is Democrats secret weapon that they don't use.
This guy can get all the media attention he wants, and he can get the message out like noone else.
And he can raise money like crazy.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Clinton is a has-been nobody.
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It's funny how when former DEM presidents work to better the world post-presidency, they're considered has-been nobodies. What does that make Bush Sr., who barricades himself behind his millions in oil dollars and rarely shows his face for the current GOP regime?
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Pens1566
He'd win again if he was constitutionally eligible.
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He would have beaten Bush in a Landslide if he could have run again in 2000. Actually I think Gore would have demolished Bush if Gore had taken Clinton up on his offer to campaign for him.
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You are absolutley correct. And Hillary will not make the same mistake, and she'll very likely win because of it.

Bill could sell shoes to a snake.
 
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Clinton is a has been nobody...honestly, while I have always respected his speaking skills and ability to engage an audience, I never respected his qualities as a President the way some people do...I know people that worship the man, but I can hardly find justifications for such praise...and I formed my opinion of Clinton well before the Lewinsky scandal.

That being said, I do respect the initiatives Clinton has pursued as an ex-President...maybe age and experience has a lot to do with it, but his qualities as a leader now far exceed those he exhibited as President.

If he could run for President now, I would vote for him.
 
Originally posted by: Pens1566
He'd win again if he was constitutionally eligible.
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I highly doubt that. He left before the war on terror really hit home.
If he ran now he would have to do a lot more to explain why he never really went after Osama despite all the attacks on us.

And go a head and throw out whatever he said on FOX and the 70+ cruise missiles.

However, bear in mind that we dropped 30,000+ bombs in Kosovo in two months in order to stop ethnic killing. But Clinton didn't feel that Osama was worth more than 70 cruise missiles.

In a campaign he can't wag his finger and try to shout down the moderator or make false charges about him being part of some "hit job"
Heck, if a candidate for office went on that type of tirade the news would be all over them for losing their cool, ala the Dean scream.

To be fair I don't think Bush could win again either, unless the Dems put up another Kerry like candidate.

EDIT: Don't forget his North Korea policy was a total failure as well. He put into a place an agreement that the North was most likely violating the day it was signed. He would have to answer for that mistake as well.

As a President he had a good economy, but his foreign policy was a mess, outside of Bosnia and Kosovo.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Pens1566
He'd win again if he was constitutionally eligible.
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I highly doubt that. He left before the war on terror really hit home.
If he ran now he would have to do a lot more to explain why he never really went after Osama despite all the attacks on us.

And go a head and throw out whatever he said on FOX and the 70+ cruise missiles.

However, bear in mind that we dropped 30,000+ bombs in Kosovo in two months in order to stop ethnic killing. But Clinton didn't feel that Osama was worth more than 70 cruise missiles.

In a campaign he can't wag his finger and try to shout down the moderator or make false charges about him being part of some "hit job"
Heck, if a candidate for office went on that type of tirade the news would be all over them for losing their cool, ala the Dean scream.

To be fair I don't think Bush could win again either, unless the Dems put up another Kerry like candidate.
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You've just shown how little you actually know about American politics.
 
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