Clinton Doesn't Pay Interns $15 An Hour

[Cozarkian]

I seem to recall certain GOP here fanbois using that exact same notion to explain away their chosen accepting federal funds in the not-too-distant past. True to form, there's nothing they won't reverse in an attempt to make political hay (even the worthless )

Then those fanboys failed to understand a key difference.

With federal funds, the alleged faulty behavior is the government giving the money. There is no fault attributed to accepting the funds, so no hypocrisy.

The above would be the equivalent of Hillary criticizing those that accept unpaid internships even though she utilizes such positions.

Here, however, the alleged fault is attributed to those who fail to pay interns. Thus, there is hypocrisy.

 

[piasabird]

Slave labor is great if you are not the slave.

 

[PokerGuy]

Oh come on. Campaigns support a candidate to be elected to an office by competing against other campaigns.

The reason competition is relevant in business is because of cost -- cost is a significant driver of consumer actions. Are you saying that people (the consumers) are going to be more or less likely to support a candidate depending on the expenses incurred by the campaign? Talk about mental gymnastics....

The Wall St. Journal has won 34 Pulitzer Prizes despite it's marked conservative tilt.

Out of how many total? Also, how many of those came from pieces that happened to agree with the lib stance on something?

From wiki:

Syndicated columnist L. Brent Bozell said that the Pulitzer Prize has a "liberal legacy", particularly in its prize for commentary.[17] He pointed to a 31-year period in which only five conservatives won prizes for commentary.

Like I said, the usual lefties patting each other on the back.

Again, if you want to have your own reality where the NYT and the NY Post are somehow equivalent I guess that's your business. Nobody outside of the ultra right will take that idea seriously though.

I don't know if they're equal, the post is probably higher quality, but we can give the NYT's the benefit of the doubt

 

[BurnItDwn]

Do you have statistics or not? I'm not just going to accept this on faith.

I just asked my girlfriend if she ever did unpaid internship work between semesters of undergrad and she told me that she had to pay to do archealogy work (as an anthropology major) at a dig site.

Her parents were definitely not wealthy, although they probably had a combined income of over $50k but you're dramatically moving the goal posts if you consider wealthy family to start there. I can tell you that my mother was under $30k income during most of my college education (this was 8-14 years ago) and I didn't work any of the summers. We could manage the same way we did before I started college. You don't think people with income under $50k can't afford to take care of kids do you?

No, no statistics.

50K was just a number I spat out since I believe it is close to the median household income in the US.

When I went to college, my mom was making close to nothing (disabled, disabillity insurance) I started with a bunch of AP credits, and my grandmother helped to pay, and I got grants. After 2 years, I dropped out since I had to help support my mom.

I make a lot more than 50K now, and many of my co workers have 2 or 3 kids in college or have put kids through college. However, my fiancee lost her job, and I do not make enough to secure savings for retirement, pay for house, 2 cars, and buy food and pay for university expenses also.

I worked in high school since otherwise we would go hungry and I wouldn't have a car. I wanted a car, and I liked to eat.


My entire point is that unpaid interns are doing it because they know they are likely to gain from it in the long run.

Unpaid interns are being supported by their parents since most of them do not have deep enough savings of their own from their high school or college jobs

I believe internships should be subjected to minimum wage laws. They are essentially entry level jobs in the industry, even if they are "go get the coffee" jobs.

 

[etrigan420]

From wiki:

Syndicated columnist L. Brent Bozell said that the Pulitzer Prize has a "liberal legacy", particularly in its prize for commentary.[17] He pointed to a 31-year period in which only five conservatives won prizes for commentary.

Like I said, the usual lefties patting each other on the back.

Also from Wiki:

Leo Brent Bozell, Jr. (January 15, 1926 – April 15, 1997) was an American conservative activist and Roman Catholic writer.

So, a "conservative activist" accuses the Pulitzer Prize of being liberal...and you just take that at face value?

Being that dumb should be painful.

 

[fskimospy]

The reason competition is relevant in business is because of cost -- cost is a significant driver of consumer actions. Are you saying that people (the consumers) are going to be more or less likely to support a candidate depending on the expenses incurred by the campaign? Talk about mental gymnastics....

Nope, I'm saying that campaigns have limited resources with which to influence voters, making the competition between campaigns highly relevant. This is pretty simple.

Talking about mental gymnastics, you're the one that's trying to say that campaigns aren't designed to compete against other campaigns.

Out of how many total? Also, how many of those came from pieces that happened to agree with the lib stance on something?

From wiki:

Like I said, the usual lefties patting each other on the back.

As other people mentioned, you're quoting conservative activists. It should be obvious why that's a heavily biased source. It's funny that you would accuse other people of being in a bubble and just patting each other on the back while seeking out commentary on it from ultra right activists that you accept uncritically.

I don't know if they're equal, the post is probably higher quality, but we can give the NYT's the benefit of the doubt

The Post is a tabloid that has one redeeming quality: sometimes funny headlines. What's funny is that the market has spoken as well, the NYT dwarfs the post in revenues and circulation, all while making money. The Post is sold at a loss and they still can't compete.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

At this point, I'm indifferent on any "mandatory wage" issue for interns.

I'm looking back over some eight years in state universities and another ten years teaching graduate courses, together with a day job in a federal agency and independent, labor-compensated consulting work.

First, everything that has happened over the last few decades in politics and the level of its playing field, together with obscene hikes in public U tuitions and scams by for-profit "universities" robbing veterans benefits makes it imperative that volunteer work in PACs and I would argue legislators' staff should never be discouraged.

Second, with or without high tuitions, it is possible that university credits purchased with volunteer work may -- or may not -- have a tuition charge.

Third, it would seem feasible that you could earn credits for a poli-sci course, a public admin course or a business course with uncompensated intern experience. You might be able to do it with compensated intern experience. I'm not sure it would matter, from the university's perspective.

But someone mentioned "mostly jobs for children of the wealthy."

The biggest expense for a three-month internship would be cost-of-living away from school or home. I remember seeing an old house off Wisconsin Avenue crammed with students and interns during the '70s, all the rooms in the house outfitted with double bunk-beds like a barracks. The students had curtains to separate their private space. These were either Georgetown students or interns from the hinterland.

So an internship -- say, in a mayor's office or a planning commission might be less expensive for the intern in a university-town or the intern's home-town.

This is all relative. And I could imagine that wealthier students can get better internships at greater distance without living their lives on a shoe-string fiber.

Me? I never had a chance to do an internship, or should I say I never took the chance. But there were opportunities that were paid, even with barracks life, as a three-month seasonal ranger in the NPS. No college credits -- no internship. And for that, I had to get lucky. At least I knew someone who knew how to direct my resume.

This thing about Hillary. Either a person admits they're blind or challenged, or I can't understand how it goes unrecognized over a longer period of time: All the way back to Whitewater, it looks like a frenzy to pick some scab with unrealistic hopes that it will bleed. So whatever she does with interns -- whatever is legal -- leaves me more or less indifferent. Monica? that was something else with Hillary as victim, but put together two people who needed counseling and you can have a scandal.

Maybe we should ask Madam Secretary if we can pick her nose, to see if there's any white powder for analysis by CSI. That would light a fire under her keester for criminal justice or prison reform!

 

[Cozarkian]

So, a "conservative activist" accuses the Pulitzer Prize of being liberal...and you just take that at face value?

Being that dumb should be painful.

So he provides support for his claim in the form of a verifiable fact that was obtained based on a statement from somebody who was a part of the journalism industry, and you automatically reject the challenge without any research into the supporting facts? I also note you aren't demanding non-liberal sources to support the claim that the prize isn't awarded with a bias toward liberal articles.

If what he did was dumb, then ...

 

[TheGardener]

Slave labor is great if you are not the slave.

I don't think that interns are going to rise up and overthrow their "masters". Slaves don't have choices. Go ask ISUS. Interns of course have choices. So you came up with a poor analogy.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm linking an op-ed. It is not news, but the opinion of the NY Post. Like them, I am fine with the concept of unpaid interns. But they point out, that Clinton is not. Yet, she makes frequent use of unpaid interns. Another case of her saying, do as I say, not as I do.

Is her only defense that she is not a business? Collecting fees of tens of millions of dollars in the last five years or so, tells me that she is.

If you are going to defend her, I'd like to also know whether you are personally okay with unpaid internships.

http://nypost.com/2015/08/17/hillary-clintons-intern-al-hypocrisy/

Nothing to see here really.

 

[Newell Steamer]

This is a thread about outrage over outrage that did not occur from the usual people that are outraged.

If some liberal was frothing at the mouth over unpaid interns, the usual Righthadists would tell the outraged liberal to STFU, it's an intern - interns aren't paid or are paid shit.

This is a non-issue.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

This is a thread about outrage over outrage that did not occur from the usual people that are outraged.

If some liberal was frothing at the mouth over unpaid interns, the usual Righthadists would tell the outraged liberal to STFU, it's an intern - interns aren't paid or are paid shit.

This is a non-issue.

I think you've tapped into a certain group psychology there.