Climate Change Documentary

[Stunt]

Very interesting documentary from Canada.
I would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on the information included.

1 of 5 parts

Please watch all 5 before posting.
Enjoy...

 

[Corbett]

Oh man. Haven't you learned by now that if you even so much as HINT at global warming being a farce, you are instantly labelled a "republican shill".

 

[shoegazer]

Didn't watch all the videos but I looked over the website of the group which produced them.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4

Though it doesn't disprove their ideas, the group does appear to be receiving funds from oil and natural gas companies in Canada.

http://www.charlesmontgomery.ca/mrcool.html (article published in the Globe & Mail which requires registration to view it on their site)

But, the arguments on the Friends of Science website are mostly the same ones that have been used for nearly a decade despite being largely discredited. They cite the satellite and weather balloon temp readings that have since been identified as being inaccurate and now align with surface temperature readings. They also cite the hockey stick graph as being largely incorrect when recent reports have confirmed that it is quite accurate. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5109188.stm

They go on to mention ideas that really aren't that relevant, like stating that CO2 is not the most significant greenhouse gas. Well yes, water vapor is. But if you look at the temperature on Venus you see that CO2 can be quite a potent greenhouse gas. Then they say that CO2 is not a pollutant because it is essential to life on earth. This is incredibly silly. There are countless molecules that are important to life, yet can be detrimental to life at certain concentrations.

It's the same arguments from many of the same oil-funded men.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: shoegazer
Didn't watch all the videos but I looked over the website of the group which produced them.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4

Though it doesn't disprove their ideas, the group does appear to be receiving funds from oil and natural gas companies in Canada.

http://www.charlesmontgomery.ca/mrcool.html (article published in the Globe & Mail which requires registration to view it on their site)

But, the arguments on the Friends of Science website are mostly the same ones that have been used for nearly a decade despite being largely discredited. They cite the satellite and weather balloon temp readings that have since been identified as being inaccurate and now align with surface temperature readings. They also cite the hockey stick graph as being largely incorrect when recent reports have confirmed that it is quite accurate. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5109188.stm

They go on to mention ideas that really aren't that relevant, like stating that CO2 is not the most significant greenhouse gas. Well yes, water vapor is. But if you look at the temperature on Venus you see that CO2 can be quite a potent greenhouse gas. Then they say that CO2 is not a pollutant because it is essential to life on earth. This is incredibly silly. There are countless molecules that are important to life, yet can be detrimental to life at certain concentrations.

It's the same arguments from many of the same oil-funded men.

If you track back hard enough, you can link anything to anyone. Money has to come from somewhere. Unless it is a double blind study, there was probably some bias in there. Even in studies that "prove" global warming as funded by people or organizations with political agendas. The facts are meaningless because the person doing the study is the same person interperting it and the same person who has to face the funder. This is stupid and the reason why I don't trust a word that anyone in "science" tells me unless the study was double blind.

The hockey stick graph is highly accurate to some, but incredibly inaccurate to others? Who do you believe? Oh, that's right-you believe the one that you want to believe. This is science. Politics and bias.

Debating on global warming is like a national retards convention - everyone debating thinks that they are right and they are the smartest person in the world. But to those of us watchin it on TV, we're laughing our a$$es off.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

The unfortunate aspect of the publicity global climate change is currently receiving is that other more urgent environmental issues are now getting little to no coverage. I think the impending collapse of global fisheries is a lot scarier than global climate change, as is what's happening to the environment right now in China.

 

[shoegazer]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Debating on global warming is like a national retards convention - everyone debating thinks that they are right and they are the smartest person in the world. But to those of us watchin it on TV, we're laughing our a$$es off.

Why even post if you have nothing to contribute to the discussion? Just keep on watching tv and ignore everything that's going on in the world (ignore voting as well and things might not be so bad for the rest of us).

 

[Harvey]

The reality is, we are dumping contaminants into the environment at an expanding rate, and there's enough understanding of at least some of the mechanisms of climate change that the large majority of scientists have concluded that the danger is probable.

Regardless of the absolute level of its effect, pollution is still pollution. No matter how much you try to hide your head in the sand, nothing's going to magically turn it into something beneficial to mankind.

Even if it later turns out to be a false alarm, common sense would dictate that the only really stupid courses of action would be to ignore it and do nothing or, as those trying to protect their pollution generating cash cows are doing, throw money at trying to defeat efforts to stem the pollution. :roll:

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh man. Haven't you learned by now that if you even so much as HINT at global warming being a farce, you are instantly labeled a "republican shill".

and a Bible thumping ignorant fool!

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Harvey
The reality is, we are dumping contaminants into the environment at an expanding rate, and there's enough understanding of at least some of the mechanisms of climate change that the large majority of scientists have concluded that the danger is probable.

Regardless of the absolute level of its effect, pollution is still pollution. No matter how much you try to hide your head in the sand, nothing's going to magically turn it into something beneficial to mankind.

Even if it later turns out to be a false alarm, common sense would dictate that the only really stupid courses of action would be to ignore it and do nothing or, as those trying to protect their pollution generating cash cows are doing, throw money at trying to defeat efforts to stem the pollution. :roll:

Did you watch the documentary?
Which specific views do you feel are misguided?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: shoegazer
Didn't watch all the videos but I looked over the website of the group which produced them.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4

Though it doesn't disprove their ideas, the group does appear to be receiving funds from oil and natural gas companies in Canada.

It's the same arguments from many of the same oil-funded men.

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Harvey
The reality is, we are dumping contaminants into the environment at an expanding rate, and there's enough understanding of at least some of the mechanisms of climate change that the large majority of scientists have concluded that the danger is probable.

Regardless of the absolute level of its effect, pollution is still pollution. No matter how much you try to hide your head in the sand, nothing's going to magically turn it into something beneficial to mankind.

Even if it later turns out to be a false alarm, common sense would dictate that the only really stupid courses of action would be to ignore it and do nothing or, as those trying to protect their pollution generating cash cows are doing, throw money at trying to defeat efforts to stem the pollution. :roll:

Did you watch the documentary?
Which specific views do you feel are misguided?

How much are you getting paid stunt?

 

[imported_Shivetya]

sorry, but you are not allowed to refute global warming.

even if you do those who believe its man made will point too all sorts of official sounding websites. After all, if its .org it has to be true

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: shoegazer
Didn't watch all the videos but I looked over the website of the group which produced them.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4

Though it doesn't disprove their ideas, the group does appear to be receiving funds from oil and natural gas companies in Canada.

It's the same arguments from many of the same oil-funded men.

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Harvey
The reality is, we are dumping contaminants into the environment at an expanding rate, and there's enough understanding of at least some of the mechanisms of climate change that the large majority of scientists have concluded that the danger is probable.

Regardless of the absolute level of its effect, pollution is still pollution. No matter how much you try to hide your head in the sand, nothing's going to magically turn it into something beneficial to mankind.

Even if it later turns out to be a false alarm, common sense would dictate that the only really stupid courses of action would be to ignore it and do nothing or, as those trying to protect their pollution generating cash cows are doing, throw money at trying to defeat efforts to stem the pollution. :roll:

Did you watch the documentary?
Which specific views do you feel are misguided?

How much are you getting paid stunt?

He gets paid more than everyone in his town!!!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
sorry, but you are not allowed to refute global warming.

even if you do those who believe its man made will point too all sorts of official sounding websites. After all, if its .org it has to be true

Refute away please! Problem is that the Refuters don't understand the Scientific process and how to refute Scientifically. If they could get past those hurdles someone in the Scientific world might take them seriously.

 

[techs]

Stunt has done it again.
Posted a thread linking to another propaganda site. Friendsofscience is an industry tool.
What a waste of time you are!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Corbett
Oh man. Haven't you learned by now that if you even so much as HINT at global warming being a farce, you are instantly labeled a "republican shill".

and a Bible thumping ignorant fool!

I guess if the shoe fits you guys...

 

[Craig234]

What's sad is that the way global climate change eventually gets addressed will be when corporations decide that its impact to them is high enough that they want it stopped - because they control the agenda and our democracy fails to address the issue.

We're already starting to see this happen as more corporations are taking the side to do something.

But it sure makes clear what low chance issues have if they don't negatively hit corporations. If the level of catastrophe for the planet global climate change can cause doesn't get the political system to act, not much would.