Clerics signing up for fight against Israel.

[Zebo]

I don't really get this. I mean don't these Clerics have to study their own religion to become clerics? Wouldn't they get the picture, in all that study, that Islam is a Religion of Peace? Why is it that, all around the world, so many Islamic clerics seem to be Misunderstanders of Islam, and think that jihad has something to do with warfare when it's an inner personal struggle? Also Why do so many Clerics have their own militias and weapons when they are supposed to be the Religion of Peace and love?


http://www.asharqalawsat.com/e...asp?section=1&id=15194

Iran Hardliners Register Volunteers to Fight Israel

29/12/2008

TEHRAN (Reuters) - A group of Iranian hard-line clerics is signing up volunteers to fight in the Gaza Strip in response to Israel's air strikes that have killed at least 300 Palestinians, a news agency reported on Monday.

"From Monday the Combatant Clergy Society has activated its website www.rohaniatmobarez.com for a week to register volunteers to fight against the Zionist regime (Israel) in either the military, financial or propaganda fields," the semi-official Fars news agency said.

Israel patrols the coastal waters around Gaza and has declared areas around the enclave a "closed military zone."

The hard-line Iranian group, which is headed by some leading clergy, says it has no affiliation with the government and was formed shortly after Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a religious decree to Muslims around the world on Sunday, ordering them to defend Palestinians in Gaza against Israeli attacks "in any way possible."

A religious decree is an official statement by a high-ranking religious leader that commands Muslims to carry out its message. While there is no religious and legal force behind it, Khamenei is respected by many Iranian and non-Iranian Shi'ites.

Iran refuses to recognize Israel, which accuses Tehran of supplying Hamas Islamists with weapons. Iran denies the claim, saying it only provides moral support to the group.

Israel said the strikes, that have killed 307 Palestinians, were launched in response to almost daily rocket and mortar fire from the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip after the Islamist Hamas group ended a six-month ceasefire a week ago.

Fars said the hard-line group provided volunteers with a registration document called "Registration form for dispatching volunteers to Gaza." It said more than 1,100 people so far had registered for military service against Israel.

Khamenei said on Sunday that whoever was killed in the fight to defend Palestinians was "considered a martyr."

Iran will send its first ship carrying aid to the Gaza Strip on Monday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi said.

"Iran has dispatched its first plane load of aid, including medicine, to Gaza on Sunday. The second cargo is on the verge of being dispatched," Qashqavi told reporters on Monday. "The first aircraft arrived in Egypt last night."

Israel, which patrols the coastal waters around Gaza, tightened its blockade of the Gaza Strip two years ago after Hamas won a parliamentary election.

The Jewish state turned back a Libyan ship from delivering humanitarian supplies to Gaza earlier this month.

Tens of thousands of Iranians protested on Monday to condemn the Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip, which began with air strikes on Saturday.

Protesters burned Israeli and U.S. flags and demanded a stronger response from international organizations to stop Israel's raids, a Reuters witness said.

They also called on Islamic countries to boycott "Zionist companies."

 

[fskimospy]

Probably because Islam specifically mentions taking up arms if the religion is under attack, and they view the fight against Israel as an assault on their religion. Pretty basic stuff.

You're free to disagree with that if you want, but you can probably save the faux-confusion.

 

[gingermeggs]

Similar to how middle ages Christians worked, They have along way to go to be consider a modern society, so don't expect to much of a lead from them.

 

[IronWing]

Now if we could just get the Christian Right jihadists who cheer Bush's wars to put their butts where their mouths are.

 

[Aimster]

The people inside Iran who protest this crap are old farts. Send them to Gaza. I'd love to see them get killed.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Probably because Islam specifically mentions taking up arms if the religion is under attack, and they view the fight against Israel as an assault on their religion. Pretty basic stuff.

You're free to disagree with that if you want, but you can probably save the faux-confusion.

Forget Israel, people like Zebo are clearly ready to attack Islam as well. In many ways this IS a religious war, and not just in the view of one side. Rather than fighting the radicals, many people on the other side seem to want to fight everyone who is Muslim. Look at Zebo's post, he's WAY more interested in trying to paint all of Islam as being in line with these radical Clerics than he is in fighting the ACTUAL bad guys.

 

[Aimster]

It's a war against Arabs.
Put a Jew in the middle of the street in Saudi Arabia. What happens?

 

[SunnyD]

It's time to walk away from the middle east. No matter how hard it would be for the world to get along without it's crack (oil), it's time to just walk away, and come back and make friends with whomever is left standing after the dust settles.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Probably because Islam specifically mentions taking up arms if the religion is under attack, and they view the fight against Israel as an assault on their religion. Pretty basic stuff.

You're free to disagree with that if you want, but you can probably save the faux-confusion.

Forget Israel, people like Zebo are clearly ready to attack Islam as well. In many ways this IS a religious war, and not just in the view of one side. Rather than fighting the radicals, many people on the other side seem to want to fight everyone who is Muslim. Look at Zebo's post, he's WAY more interested in trying to paint all of Islam as being in line with these radical Clerics than he is in fighting the ACTUAL bad guys.

That we're ready to attack the teachings of hatred and intolerance, from which genocide across this globe is carried out and practiced, should come as no surprise to you. The real surprise is that there are those among us who decry this attack. You make it very clear that we can't stop Islamic extremists before we prevent you from getting in our way.

This is a war, and you don't stand to stand between us.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Islam is a Religion of Peace

See, here is the problem. Islam is not, never has been, and never will be a "religion of peace"...

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Zebo
Islam is a Religion of Peace

See, here is the problem. Islam is not, never has been, and never will be a "religion of peace"...

Bingo.

The jihadis take out a few Jews, then they get wiped out by some F-16s. The cycle continues. But notice who breaks the peace every time

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Probably because Islam specifically mentions taking up arms if the religion is under attack, and they view the fight against Israel as an assault on their religion. Pretty basic stuff.

You're free to disagree with that if you want, but you can probably save the faux-confusion.

So would you consider an "attack" on someone's imaginary man in the sky (aka God) a good enough reason to bomb some civilians?

If Travolta started sending suicide bombers out to take out anyone that "attacks" Scientology, would you see this as a valid excuse?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Probably because Islam specifically mentions taking up arms if the religion is under attack, and they view the fight against Israel as an assault on their religion. Pretty basic stuff.

You're free to disagree with that if you want, but you can probably save the faux-confusion.

So would you consider an "attack" on someone's imaginary man in the sky (aka God) a good enough reason to bomb some civilians?

If Travolta started sending suicide bombers out to take out anyone that "attacks" Scientology, would you see this as a valid excuse?

I never said anything about agreeing with their actions or their tactics. I was just taking issue with Zebo's wide eyed and likely dishonest declaration of confusion as to how people could be part of a religion of peace and still join militias to defend it.

Personally I find the situation to be stupid. Israel is attempting to maintain a status quo that is absolutely ridiculous, unfair, and oppressive, and the Palestinians are working tirelessly to blow up innocent men, women, and children. They're both scumbags.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Probably because Islam specifically mentions taking up arms if the religion is under attack, and they view the fight against Israel as an assault on their religion. Pretty basic stuff.

You're free to disagree with that if you want, but you can probably save the faux-confusion.

Forget Israel, people like Zebo are clearly ready to attack Islam as well. In many ways this IS a religious war, and not just in the view of one side. Rather than fighting the radicals, many people on the other side seem to want to fight everyone who is Muslim. Look at Zebo's post, he's WAY more interested in trying to paint all of Islam as being in line with these radical Clerics than he is in fighting the ACTUAL bad guys.

That we're ready to attack the teachings of hatred and intolerance, from which genocide across this globe is carried out and practiced, should come as no surprise to you. The real surprise is that there are those among us who decry this attack. You make it very clear that we can't stop Islamic extremists before we prevent you from getting in our way.

This is a war, and you don't stand to stand between us.

No, you're ready to attack anyone who LOOKS like the enemy or shares his religion, even if he is no danger at all. You don't seem particularly concerned with attacking hatred and intolerance, or the people who spread it...you just want to fight Muslims. I have no problem fighting terrorists or other extremists, but that's not what you people are suggesting.

But I'm curious, what are YOU doing to "stop Islamic extremism"? Mouthing off on the Internet is not as effective as you might think... Why don't you try actually DOING something before you bitch about how I'm "getting in your way"?

The only reason I ask is because you seem convinced that decrying Islam as a whole is somehow an effective technique...but I'm pretty sure that what helps fight Islamic extremism is going after the people who practice it. You preaching intolerance of millions of people because SOME Muslims are violent extremists is counterproductive.

Edit: Of course doing the latter is much easier than actually fighting terrorists or other extremists...which might explain its appeal to the Jack Bauer fan club.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Sounds like more poor rationalizations from Iranian clerics to take up arms against Israel.

Israel isn't in a war against Islam. If they were they'd round up all of the Muslim Israelis, a significant number of people, and persecute and/or expel them. They'd tear down the Dome of the Rock and rebuild Solomon's Temple. They aren't doing that. They are battling against a bunch of militant extremists across their border who happen to be Islamic. It's no a war on Islam, it's a war on the idiots who refuse to take responsibility for themselves, incessantly fling missiles into Israeli civilian population centers hoping to kill indiscriminately, then cry foul and whine like little bitches to their enablers in the International media when Israel attacks them back. It's a fucking PR stunt again and again and, as evidenced in here, some people sure lap up the one-sided view that is presented.

It's gone long past the point of being tiresome to see Iran once again justifying their intense hatred of Israel by using their Palestinian figleaf. Iran doesn't give two craps about Palestinians and neither do any of the other countries in the ME. Many of them have a history of persecuting Palestinians themselves. Why don't they all man up and admit the real truth; that they simply can't stand a Jewish country in their midst? I still wouldn't agree with their position but at least they wouldn't be jerking everyone off with their veiled rationales like 'They're attacking Islam.'

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Zebo
Islam is a Religion of Peace

See, here is the problem. Islam is not, never has been, and never will be a "religion of peace"...

Bingo.

The jihadis take out a few Jews, then they get wiped out by some F-16s. The cycle continues. But notice who breaks the peace every time

I know, tell us about it. The Israeli's blew up some tunnel then asked the Egyptians to keep Hamas from retaliating.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Sounds like more poor rationalizations from Iranian clerics to take up arms against Israel.

Israel isn't in a war against Islam. If they were they'd round up all of the Muslim Israelis, a significant number of people, and persecute and/or expel them. They'd tear down the Dome of the Rock and rebuild Solomon's Temple. They aren't doing that. They are battling against a bunch of militant extremists across their border who happen to be Islamic. It's no a war on Islam, it's a war on the idiots who refuse to take responsibility for themselves, incessantly fling missiles into Israeli civilian population centers hoping to kill indiscriminately, then cry foul and whine like little bitches to their enablers in the International media when Israel attacks them back. It's a fucking PR stunt again and again and, as evidenced in here, some people sure lap up the one-sided view that is presented.

It's gone long past the point of being tiresome to see Iran once again justifying their intense hatred of Israel by using their Palestinian figleaf. Iran doesn't give two craps about Palestinians and neither do any of the other countries in the ME. Many of them have a history of persecuting Palestinians themselves. Why don't they all man up and admit the real truth; that they simply can't stand a Jewish country in their midst? I still wouldn't agree with their position but at least they wouldn't be jerking everyone off with their veiled rationales like 'They're attacking Islam.'

It IS a stupid (and pretty transparent) attempt at a justification. But given the rhetoric on the other side, I can see why the (inaccurate) propaganda that Islam itself is under attack works on some people. While you're right that a war on Islam would look a lot more like a war than what we've got now, what we SAY sometimes suggests we don't think there is much of a line between the words "Muslim" and "terrorist".

Honestly I don't think that's a deciding factor here, and I don't think that Iranian clerics are basing their views off of what Zebo says...but in the long run the best way to expose the lies of the extremists is to make it obvious that they are lies. I think we're doing a pretty decent job so far, but we definitely could be doing more.

 

[Julius Shark]

A group of Iranian hard-line clerics is signing up volunteers to fight in the Gaza Strip in response to Israel's air strikes that have killed at least 300 Palestinians, a news agency reported on Monday.

Good. We'll get them all in one spot and take them out with one cheap bomb.

 

[RichardE]

It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing."

 

[Aimster]

I don't think Iran hates Israel because they are Jewish.
They hate Israel because they are what they used to be (Iran pre-revolution).

Iran used to be the big dog in the M.E. Then they turned to ghetto-ness Islam.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I don't think Iran hates Israel because they are Jewish.
They hate Israel because they are what they used to be (Iran pre-revolution).

Iran used to be the big dog in the M.E. Then they turned to ghetto-ness Islam.

Do not blame islam for peoples' shortcomings. (Disclaimer - I was raised Cathaholic, and am currently atheist for my own reasons) Islam as a "Judaic" religion is probably the most idea of the three. Unfortunately people's own personal pride twisted most of the meaning of islam around historic events. The middle east is simply doing what it always has as has much of the world - squabbling. They simply tend to do it moreso with violence. Unfortunately for islam, there are enough people that are able to twist its normal peaceful meanings into something more violent.

I think your first statement is much more appropriate though.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I think it was an error in translation. Islam is a Religion of Pieces. As in they take only the pieces they agree with and forget about the others.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
I think it was an error in translation. Islam is a Religion of Pieces. As in they take only the pieces they agree with and forget about the others.

Yeah, but I think that applies to pretty much all of them.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

RELIGIONOFPEACELOL!!!!!!

 

[Aimster]

There is no religion of peace.

Al religious are violent